Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, we interview Duncan Drasdo of MUST - covering ticket prices, new stadium, INEOS and what fans should be demanding from our club.
Also, due to technical issues we couldn't put a notice up for the previous episode which was about the game against Bournemouth and other stuff. If you'd like to listen to it, click here.
Why would you like the debt removed?
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They will never say it out loud and Ineos will try to avoid Woodward's Ole pitfalls but both parties will be hoping that Carrick goes well and they just kick on with him. Saves them a lot of trouble and if he could achieve something meaningful without summer additions then it makes the whole rebuild easier. If he finishes in the top 6, I think they will keep him.
That episode was hilarious.
Cause it costs the club £50M per annum indefinitely.
Well that's utterly ridiculous, I could understand it IF none of Alonso, Tuchel, Ancelotti heck even De Zerbi or Iraola weren't obtainable but they are
Alonso will go to Liverpool, Tuchel rejected us once before and Ancelotti might not want such a challenge at this stage of his career. De Zerbi isn't a sure thing and Iraola isn't performing well this season.
Ineos are conducting a staged build, due to performances we might not even have £100m to spend before sales and we have already dipped into next summer's budget to buy Sesko. A young, marliable coach who won't cause a huge scene if he doesn't get enough reinforcements would be a dream. So rest assured; if he does well, they will keep him.
Feck sake does nothing about how this club is being run into the ground not really make your blood boil. Absolutely stinks these so called owners just taking the cheap easy way out instead of you know appointing someone elite.
An elite manager wouldn't accept having to rely on Shaw, Dalot, Mount and the midfield we currently have. Granted, we will look to go big on the midfield in the summer but someone like Enrique or even Tuchel will also demand a new CB, LB and LW. Ineos, like the Glazers before them, won't be able to sell off the latest bomb squad and will hide behind PSR.
We have finally run out of road and I feel that Amorim and the poorly executed summer transfer window, mainly driven by trying to support Amorim, may have been one mistake too far. We could sell Bruno and get something for Hoijlund and Rashford but that won't be enough to fund the £300m plus summer window we will need to address issues in the team and also, selling Bruno could create another big issue.
So Carrick, McKenna or Iraola are the types of manager we will attract and they can be talked into accepting the staged rebuild but find themselves getting sacked in winter after the unreliable players they would have been talked into keeping, until they can be replaced 'next summer', predictably let them down. We are now stuck in a vicious cycle of mediocrity and it won't be long before we start flirting with relegation.
I’m not into vilifying billionaires ‘just because’.
But the state backed option means a ‘walk away’ from me, whilst another leveraged buyout is literally taking the piss out of any fan who puts cash into the club.
I find both pretty much proverbial red lines.
The amount of money that goes into football has corrupted the game big time. We’re at a time where it’s less of a sport, more of a wealth creation system, and the more the wealth is concentrated, the less value there is for the game and its fans.
It’s all a bit shit really, just a matter of personal perspective as to how much shit you’re prepared to ignore.
Exactly this. It's nonsense. None of the people with power at the club are beholden to listen to whatever Sir Alex says. They even cut his pay FFS.
Ole didn't get the job because he was thinking about it potentially leading to something long term so I don't know...
If Carrick does half as well as Ole we are elected but I don't think he will. At least it seems like he's inheriting a decent dressing room most of who will surely be desperate to do much better. If we can get back to basics and galvanise the group then who knows.
If Carrick gets us into top 4, they wont have the balls to sack him. Just like they didnt sack Ten Hag after the cup win, and Amorim after his disastrous first season.
You can have Enrique or Tuchel available, but they wont make the difficult choice. They will keep him and sack him in November after a run of bad form when its easy, and throw another season down the toilet.
You can have Enrique or Tuchel available, but they wont make the difficult choice. They will keep him and sack him in November after a run of bad form when its easy, and throw another season down the toilet.
I highly doubt Ancelotti at 66 years of age would want to come to United and risk his fantastic reputation. He's in semi retirement mode currently
Multiple reasons...Because it was money leveraged for a buy out
Secondly the interest payments have cashflow issues and budget issues.
As sad as it is but I can definitely see that. Although I highly doubt we will get top 4. We have no left forward since we bought a bunch of 10s for Amorim's system. We have no proper midfield for the 4-3-3 either. Our defense looks more than suspicious without De Ligt who nobody knows whether he is still alive. And now we have a manager totally unproven at the highest level
There won't be any need to sack him as his contract will be up on 30.06.2026.
They wouldn't sack him. They would just not give him a new contract. Different situation to previous two seasons.
Personally, I don't think he should be anywhere near the job by the end of May but if by some miracle, he gets us playing well with a consistent style of play, there would need to be a conversation.
Why would you not want the club with less debt?
If he gets us to top 4, there will be pressure on them to make him permanent, just like there was with Ole. Do you remember how they folded and gave Ten Hag an extension when there was no need to?
Yes technically we wont have to sack him, but they know if they bring in a new manager who underperforms after Carrick does well, they will be under immense pressure. So they will cover their ass
Everytime INEOS had to make the choice between whats right and easy, they have done whats easy
Do you not find greedy billionaires destroying the club and making us a complete laughing stock to try and squeeze extra profit a red line?
So do you think it was easy to lay off staff and make cuts?
Do you think it was an easy decision to keep Amorim in the summer when alot wanted him out?
Yes. Its easy to fire no name everyday joes. Not so easy to fire a manager who just won a cup and a high severance package.
Yes again. Because they went all in for him, and sacking him in summer would be admitting that they fecked up.
Think you’ve probably misinterpreted what I’m saying here mate.
And what 6 months later... it wont be admitting?
This is football... there is no guaranteed success, it seems you think there is.. so let me ask you.
What manager do you think we should get? Or will you avoid this question.
I don't get it, so the performance of the people in charge of football operations shouldn't be measured on football success? What should it be measured on?
INEOS haven't done everything wrong, but they have fumbled the three most important decisions since they got on board (ETH, Ashworth, Amorim). They aren't the main culprit of United's currently predicament (Glazers are), but they are the most recent ones and are at the wheel right now.
I don’t really follow your logic. Any coach can demand anything.. we don’t know until we get them in. If your questioning Ineos likelihood of sticking to their requirement plans. What’s wrong with that? I think we can all agree the midfield needs improvement, which they have briefed is our main priority for the summer and literally just this window we tried to buy a LW.
Ineos won’t be able to sell off the bomb squad? Well they have been in charge for 2 summer windows and each window they have generated the most sale outputs numbers we’ve had in the last 10 years. So I don’t know what evidence you are using.
Whether Bruno goes or doesn’t PSR as of the 30th June 2026, maybe earlier - no longer exists. Due to them creating this structure we’ve actually not had to reset anything but hiring a new manager. Funding will be available and even more so if we qualify for Europe or fingers crossed UCL, where we can pretty much spend what we like due to our potential revenues.
Whoever they decide to hire, hopefully they will be the best fit, I don’t think we will have a problem attracting the best managers available and as for accepting the staged rebuild, I bloody well hope so as it would be pretty stupid to hire a manager who believes the midfield is okay and they want a new GK.
Again. I think it goes beyond top 4.
If he was to even finish 5th or 6th but there looks to be the start of a "style of play" or philosophy etc, I think it would be worth a conversation.
Aside from brief moments, we've lacked a coherent and consistent style. If Carrick can bring that in, do we risk upsetting that be bringing in someone completely different.
The easy decision here would be to bring in an Ancelotti or even a Tuchel or Conte type level appointment that might bring some initial success but ultimately fail.
And again, not necessarily advocating for Carrick staying longer term just us responding to a constantly evolving situation rather than deciding on a plan in 6 weeks and sticking with it even when things change.
Agreed. But what would you like us to do? Force for new ownership and a new CEO and Director? Then when that happens and 2 years down the line we still haven’t won the league. Do we force for new ownership and a new CEO and Director
I think as a fanbase we all understand the lyches that are the Glazers. But we have to kind of have some balance where we promote continuity, which the new structure seems to be giving us, even though they have made some big mistakes. Sometimes you just need abit of luck too, just to keep people on side… I.e. Aston Villa - Emery. Chelsea - Cole Palmer.
Enrique is in contract until 2027
The only good thing about these appointments are we now have a British management team, whether that means short term success I’m not so sure, however Iberian Gaslighting and huge red flags comments about worst team in history and my 57 year old coach offers more from the bench will be stopped!
He’s not getting top 6 let alone top 4 so we won’t need to worry about that, we will have 32/33 points from 23 PL matches with 15 left, to be in the mix for top 4 we would need 70-72 points for 5th maybe 67-69 depending on Chelsea and Newcastle.
We’ve won 8 , yes eight out of 23 matches this season and couldn’t beat Grimsby, 10 man Everton, wolves, West Ham And Bournemouth at home. Why do some fans believe that this squad will win 11 or 12 from the last 15 matches and even then that might not be enough!!
We’ll be lucky to win 6 of the next 17 games draw 5 lose 6 and finish with 55 points and probably 7th -10th!
Chelsea will improve, their squad is better than our, Newcastle are already showing league form that suggests they will be ahead of us, best way this season is 7th to 8th and the quicker fans and the board start to understand this, the quicker we can go get an Enrique, Ancelotti or Tuchel, a coach that knows how to win big trophies, an elite coach and stop trying to shoehorn a coach in that never made the cut at Middlesbrough, if we haven’t learned the lessons from Ole then we deserve everything that coming in the next few years?
Yes, they should but its a bit silly to think a previously mismanaged club is going to get footballing success in a years time?
They are in charge I agree but like the other poster... and many others, who are all about criticise, when asked... so who do you think should manage us and guarantee success? They disappear.
So let me ask you... who should we get as next manager?
Yeah it is. But they didnt have any options, Amorim was straight up calling war on them in press conferences.
I will gladly take any manager who has some experience managing big clubs. Tuchel, Enrique, Alonso, De Zerbi are all decent choices(some more attainable ofcourse)
Tuchel is England manager so wont be available till mid July
Di Zerbi has managed what big club?
Alonso is not really interested in United, he is looking at other jobs
Enrique is PSG manager and has a contract.
So if none of those are available you will blame INEOS for not being able to get them?