Wonder if there will be the start of the process for a head coach in the summer too.
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If anyone fans wants to be angry at anyone in this whole shambles, its those leaches who are arriving in Manchester. The entire rot of this great institution is down to them. For all his clear failings, Ratcliffe has put money into the club and far more into the Glazers pockets even just to earn the right to do that. let us not forget.
Sir Jim meeting the Glazers, then putting Nice up for sale? Could be good
They've been up for sale since May last year, he's had to drop the price
I hope that Enrique and Alonso are at least referenced
Wonder if he is gonna buy more of their shares
Well that's what the Glazers are waiting for.
there’s a reason why Carrick got a 6 month gig. INEOS already knows who they are picking and it will be someone they don’t have to pay compensation for. That means it’s either Glasner, or one of the World Cup coaches coming out of contract after the World Cup. It’s a small pool.
Curious to learn how long an Interim coach would have gotten if United's preferred coach who happen to be Employed at another Club but doesn't want to move now I guess 6 months , see the point is you simply can't draw any definitive conclusion .
Let's have it right: INEOS has been a massive disappointment and the fiasco of the last two seasons is all their fault.
Amorim was never a good fit for the squad of players we have. Anyone with basic football knowledge could have told them that. Allegedly Dan Ashworth did.
INEOS chose not to listen.
You could forgive that. Even after last season went up in smoke. Even after we finished 15th. Even after losing a Cup final to Spurs FFS.
But then they chose not to correct the mistake of appointing Amorim. Instead, out of stubborness and pride, they doubled down on him. Even when there was nothing but hopium to make anyone believe it would get better.
So many of us said this season would become a farce if we stuck with Amorim. We said it in the summer, after Grimsby, after Everton beat us with 10 men having led for 80 f'n minutes.
Instead of facing up to reality INEOS just kept letting it get worse.
They're like someone who gets a bad cut but refuses to go to the doctor until its green, full of puss, and the skin stinks of rot. If they had just got it cleaned and bandaged when it first happened, or just got some antibiotics when it started turning, they could have saved themselves a world of pain.
INEOS were so desperate to be proven right they were blinded to the fact they were letting everything go wrong.
Now look at it? Instead of getting rid of Amorim in the last international break and giving a new coach a decent set of fixtures to build up some momentum, they've chucked Carrick in to face Pep and Arteta.
With 4 points between us and 14th, if Carrick can't do a madness and get us something from the current top two in the table, we could quickly be very close to the bottom quarter of the table.
Had the City boys just swallowed their pride at some stage in 2025, our season wouldn't have imploded. Now we're well and truly rogered, unless Carrick can put together a Fergie style second half of the season charge.
Best in class my ar$e!
Amorim was never a good fit for the squad of players we have. Anyone with basic football knowledge could have told them that. Allegedly Dan Ashworth did.
INEOS chose not to listen.
You could forgive that. Even after last season went up in smoke. Even after we finished 15th. Even after losing a Cup final to Spurs FFS.
But then they chose not to correct the mistake of appointing Amorim. Instead, out of stubborness and pride, they doubled down on him. Even when there was nothing but hopium to make anyone believe it would get better.
So many of us said this season would become a farce if we stuck with Amorim. We said it in the summer, after Grimsby, after Everton beat us with 10 men having led for 80 f'n minutes.
Instead of facing up to reality INEOS just kept letting it get worse.
They're like someone who gets a bad cut but refuses to go to the doctor until its green, full of puss, and the skin stinks of rot. If they had just got it cleaned and bandaged when it first happened, or just got some antibiotics when it started turning, they could have saved themselves a world of pain.
INEOS were so desperate to be proven right they were blinded to the fact they were letting everything go wrong.
Now look at it? Instead of getting rid of Amorim in the last international break and giving a new coach a decent set of fixtures to build up some momentum, they've chucked Carrick in to face Pep and Arteta.
With 4 points between us and 14th, if Carrick can't do a madness and get us something from the current top two in the table, we could quickly be very close to the bottom quarter of the table.
Had the City boys just swallowed their pride at some stage in 2025, our season wouldn't have imploded. Now we're well and truly rogered, unless Carrick can put together a Fergie style second half of the season charge.
Best in class my ar$e!
I doubt it, money is the key here, but time will tell. I suspect glasner is the target, which going by this thread will piss off a lot of people
Very much doubt they'd go for Glasner. They'll start with Ancelotti and Tuchel and work their way down, stopping at Poch.
I wouldn't mind Vivell endorsing Nagelsmann.
I'm happy to go on the record now: if we appoint Glasner I will be shocked to finish any higher than 7th.
He's been prickly under pressure when on a slide at Crystal Palace. Can you imagine how he'll react after a couple of dodgy draws at United and the whole English sports press is on him?
The biggest club he's ever managed is Frankfurt. It takes more than being a good coach to do this job. Has he ever been papped at Morrison's? Or while filling up his car? Or meeting up with mates after a loss?
Even Mourinho could just about hack it. The scrutiny at United would do for him.
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Not sure it’s as simple as that. Yes, money is tight, but I think there will be a lot of names that come out of the woodwork by the end of the season. Doubt that compensation will be the issue for the right person.
Glasner is not good enough I fear. And I say that as someone that would love to see a fellow Austrian become manager of this club.
He does not handle the pressure well, he will be a disaster, not to mention he is the 3rd worse manager in the league in in regards to possession. It would be disgraceful for a club with the history and prestige of Manchester united known through out history playing attacking football to be bottom of the league in possession as a "park the bus team".
No doubt but some of the names thrown around now won’t be considered if it’s going to cost 10-20m in compensation
There's quite a few.
Glasner, Iraola, Silva, Tuchel, Poch, Ancelloti, plus managers like and Alonso, Southgate, Maresca, etc.
I think you give them too much credit that they already know who they're picking.
More likely it could be any of the above depending which way the wind blows, someone else, or even Carrick.
I think they will go for Glasner or Poch and both will be more of the same, hovering between average and crap. Then we will be back here in 12-18 months for the same conversations
We keep hearing that but their actions suggest otherwise since Ineos's arrival we have spent lot of money in terms of players acquisition as well as coaches hiring and firing they aren't suddenly gonna miss out on their preferred Coach if they want to come here due to compensation we will find the money .
We’ll see
They'l almost certainly go for a coach who doesnt have to get out of his contract, but that will be a wide pool as things stand.
Maybe they shouldn't have paid previous managers so much then would have been lower compensation. Not even enquiring about Enrique contract release or Alonso situation is pure negligence from INEOS but not surprising
I was reading something that said we had £1 Billion debt on a club worth £6 Billion. Anyone have better numbers? because that doesn't sound like we're "saddled" with debt.
No it's really not, and I really wish people would get a little bit real. IIRC, Utd was doing just fine with the Glazers as owners until Sir Alex and David Gill decided to quit at the same day/week. Sir Alex had the great idea for Utd to hire David Moyes to replace himself, and I honestly don't remember who got David Gill's job (Woodward maybe?). Neither of these people was even close to matching the persons they replaced, and that's when a CEO/DOF would have been a great idea to provide some stability.
Perhaps it makes sense to not have the Glazers deeply involved in the details of an English football club, but I can't help but notice that every time it looks like Utd is settling into some kind of success, the LUHG crowd appears. I don't know who all benefits from that, but it should be apparent by now that they're not helping the club.
They couldn't be that silly
Re the Glazers flying in. Sky sports back pages mentioned a 50m black hole. Anyone know anything about that headline?
It is a rough calculation. We are estimated to bring in £5m for each home game, and we will have 10 fewer home games this season, hence the shortfall which the media assume needs covering. It may well do, but this is an assumption based on a few assumptions.
The best manager they can afford. Which is why it's sensible to wait until after the WC where more of those would be available. Ancelotti/Enrique come to mind.
You don't think having around 21% of our value in debt is being saddled? I think it's at £1.29b and the decent interest rates we have now are disappearing soon.
Yeah you're probably right.
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Good grief.
This reads like a LGHF post - Love Galzers Hate Ferguson. I’m sure you didn’t intend it like that.
I think it’s fair to mention that after Malcolm Glazers double stroke, when Joel And Avram
Took over the running of the ownership, they did assign big budgets for players for a couple of seasons.
Ok, the first buys, Van der Sar, Ji Sung Park, Ben Foster, Nemanja Vidic and Patrice Evra came at a total of less than 20m and were classical shrewd Ferguson getting much out of little and planned before Glazer arrived. Carrick from Spurs for about 15m was also a ‘sensible’ outlay to replace Roy Keane. But then the Glazer spit in more heavily (from United’s money, mind) to buy Tevez, Anderson, Nani, Hargreaves, Berbatov for something like five times that. They did contribute to the third golden iteration of Ferguson teams (2005-2009), even if most of the team was established without Glazer making much financial leeway (Van der Sar, Brown, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Scholes, Ronaldo, Giggs, Rooney).
Then, after the CL win and buying Berbatov, it was pretty much stop. Like at The Buccaneers, the investment dried up oafter a first successive spell, and Ronaldo was sold for a world record sum and replaced by Antonio Valencia from Wigan, an honorable warrior for the club, but two or maybe three steps down from Ronaldo. An ageing side was supported from the academy by Welbeck, Cleverley, Evans - players who where yet far away from becoming solid players for mid table clubs. Ferguson got a lot out of that squad, with two more league wins and a CL final, but there is an almost unanimous consensus in the world that nobody in history but that particular man could have gotten those results out of that squad in that period (2010-2013). Attributing that to Glazers is pretty much ludicrous, and not helped by the fact that so little of that was contributed by their short period of heavy investment with Tevez gone, Hargreaves gone, Berbatov shortly after, Anderson fallen by the wayside, only Nani had spurts of top quality among his inconsistent spell in those final years.
What the Glazer’s full well knew, was that Fergson’s retirement was always on the doorstep, that most top teams in Europe weren’t organized the way Utd were around Ferguson. There are stories that Moyes was Ferguson’s fifth choice, there are stories like the one you recallednor preferred, but regardless, the task of finding a manager was the task of Glazers and their representative, not Ferguson, and if they were to hide behind Ferguson’s ‘pointing at’ Moyes, it would be gross fleeing from responsibility. It was certainly on them to have regular discussions with Gill about successor candidates and setting up a new organization for after Ferguson, and they never did. When Ferguson and Gill quit, they were - incredibly enough - taken unaware.
If I were shocked and out of depth, I would have goneto the best and most experienced in the business in such a situation, and they would have told me to reorganize the set up, get an experienced football head in around a CEO with knowledge of the trade, and a solid and reputable manager or even head coach. Glazers hired an accountant with no knowledge of the football industry to be all in one, and together they hired a mid table manager with a full crew of mid table staff and Marouane Fellaini. It’s like replacing Ronaldo and Tevez with Valencia and Cleverley … no, it’s actually a lot worse.
Later on, the Glazer family have put a lot of money (United’s own) into the team, and hired several reputable managers, unfortunately all put into the same faulty organization under the same incompetent leadership.
I don’t think it’s fair to blame every mistake on The Glazers, nor to pretend Ferguson was a demi-god who couldn’t make mistakes. He was a demi-god that could make mistakes, and still he got so much right for this club - and The Glazer family have gotten so much wrong for this club - that confusing the actions, responsibilities and legacies of those two certainly is grounds for seeing a doctor to check if early dementia has set in.
Not remotely surprising and sums up how clueless they are, watch City not make the same mistake and he replaces Guardiola most likely next summer
I still don't understand why the Glazers even allowed Ratcliffe to run the club in the first place. It seems very strange to me to let minority owners run your business without being able to take control back. What if they completely tank it? Do they literally have no other option but to make the deal they did? I think I'd prefer selling the club in full for a knock down price than giving up control to a stranger. They can't be too happy with how things have gone so far. It's arguably been our worst period since SAF retired.
The problem is we haven't got any full sale offers
Jassim was a thing back then?
Just when you think they cannot get any worse.
The Glazers don’t know how to run the club and some of them couldn’t care less. Their their hiremen did a bad job, so they might have thought INEOS have a plan and the football men they hired might have done a better job. INEOS paid quite a big fee for their share, so anyone would think that INEOS also want to succeed with their investment. if things keep getting worse, the Glazers may have to rethink about INEOS running the football operation.
Unless it starts hitting the club value, likely the Glazers wouldn’t be concerned.