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36% of people in London identify as white British, he’s hardly wrong is he?

If white Europeans moved to a country in Africa for example and the capital city became 36% black the same people crying over his comments would say that the African country/city is being colonised

I couldn’t care less what happens in Britian to be honest but people are basically getting angry over him saying that the sky is blue
Out of interest why only London? He didn’t say only London was being colonised so why have you chosen London?

And he didn’t basically say the sky is blue. He made outlandish, insensitive and statistically inaccurate statements.

By making comments about immigrants and in the same discussion talking about benefits, he is implying the two are linked. The majority of people in this country on benefits were born here.

People are fuming because not only has he made these outrageous comments, he’s made it whilst simultaneously being a massive piece of shit in general:
He’s a done a disgraceful job running this football club and every other club he’s touched. He ran to Monaco to avoid taxes and has spent several months putting local people out of work.
He went on tele and claimed the club was going bust to justify sacking people.

As for your comments about Europeans moving to African countries. Words fecking fail me.
 
He is allowed an opinion same as everyone else. He is correct in that various governments have hidden from making tough decisions. He is correct far too many people are on benefits and not contributing.

Also are we not supposed to be one big united family under the same umbrella. I was quite amazed how many various united fan groups have commented on this did not realise we are sio fragmented
The thing is, it’s fine to talk about immigration and benefits issues.

However it becomes very transparent what the narrative is when you present it as he has.
It’s a disingenuous argument because you can see that behind it, it stinks of right wing, anti immigrants bollocks.

The key clues

- using fake statistics
- linking immigration to benefits
- saying things like “Nigel Farage is an intelligent man with good intentions”
- being a piece of shit of a person in general

Once these things are present it is very obvious this isn’t someone giving an honest opinion based on concern for the economy of Britain.
It’s just some two bit cnut shooting his mouth off because he hates migrants.
 
If people like him and his cronies paid a good living wage people wouldn't need UC to top up their wages. He really is detached from reality for a lot of people. He is blaming immigrants, when has been pointed out the vast majority of claimants are English and Irish.
Yep exactly. 37% of people who are on benefits in the UK are actually in work. Poverty wages are the main reason.
 
There’s only one way to end this debate, this is the best outcome for all involved.

Give Britain back to the British and deport all coloured immigrants including those who were born here.

In exchange for giving back all resources and billions of compensation which was stolen and looted from the third world countries.

Deal?
 
What Ratcliffe has said and others on this thread that are supporting it, is encouraged by the current political climate. Trump, Farage, Reform, far right movements etc. are gaining so much traction and power that this sort of communication becomes normalised...
I know some peoples views can be upsetting but we do have free speech and should celebrate that in itself. Please do not read into this my political bias but you really should research a bit more before you label people.

For example, Reform have a published document, not sure if it’s quite a manifesto at this stage, but it does outline their current thinking across a wide range of topics. You may or may not agree but it is worth a read. Then your comments will be informed and will carry a lot more authority.

I repeat. Those views do not necessarily match my own but understanding them is helpful rather than assuming what they may be.

Just trying to help.
 
There’s only one way to end this debate, this is the best outcome for all involved.

Give Britain back to the British and deport all coloured immigrants including those who were born here.

In exchange for giving back all resources and billions of compensation which was stolen and looted from the third world countries.

Deal?
What about gingers ?
 
I know some peoples views can be upsetting but we do have free speech and should celebrate that in itself.
No idea what you are hinting at. Nobody is saying Ratcliffe should be outlawed from saying what he said. People are saying he's a piece of shit for saying what he said, which also definitely falls under free speech. Let's celebrate that.
 
You sound British to me but what on earth have Reform and Farage got to do with it ?

Farage and others within so-called Reform have endorsed Ratcliffe's views.

Or, if you want to be smart, they haven't condemned them and insisted upon an apology like many groups already have.

That doesn't mean I do or do not endorse Farage or Labour or MUST or anyone, just trying to help you understand why Reform UK Ltd is being brought into the conversation, and why anyone who hasn't read your referred manifesto is not specifically uninformed or lacks 'authority'.
 
It surely can't come as a surprise that Jim is, in fact, a complete arsehole?
 
No idea what you are hinting at. Nobody is saying Ratcliffe should be outlawed from saying what he said. People are saying he's a piece of shit for saying what he said, which also definitely falls under free speech. Let's celebrate that.

Always hilarious when people try to run “free speech” gimmick, as if people are asking for Ratcliffe to be introduced to Robespierre’s guillotines or something
 
Ultimately, this shows the danger of a "political" figure (even one that's relatively on the sidelines) owning or helping to run a football club.
 
Wow the part owner of the club has an opinion on a political and social item and its different than yours, however will you manage to move on from this atrocity?

Can never get too amazed by the political impatience of so called liberals

I would respectfully suggest you sit this one out, mate. Hypocrisy is never a good look.

He isnt wrong in certain aspects of his interview.

The UK has become a lawless shithole and is failing on most metrics.

Scottish crime rates have been falling year-on-year for the past decade. Maybe you just live in a shithole?

If you’re from an ethnic minority background you’re not ethnically British, like I said this is simple stuff

This is factually inaccurate. Ethnicity doesn't depend on physical attributes, it focuses on things like shared culture, religion, common ancestry, language, history or traditions. Boiling it down to skin colour shows a complete lack of understanding what ethnicity is.

His opinion, he is quite correct about the ridiculous number of people on benefits and those not contributing whatever their background a country cannot sustain it

Perhaps if he didn't feck off to Monaco to avoid paying £4bn in taxes to UK Gov, he'd be in a better position to comment on this. He's part of the problem, not the solution.
 
It's a point that is increasingly lost on many in the world because the rich control the narrative completely, always have and always will. Many will actually lap up Jim's comments and add him to their alliance roster as a "good guy".

Exactly that. Divide and conquer while they live a life of luxury in their ivory towers as they pit us against each other fighting for the scraps.
Ultimately, this shows the danger of a "political" figure (even one that's relatively on the sidelines) owning or helping to run a football club.

Agreed. It's not enough they destroy the sense of community, belonging and joy football brings to everyone from all walks of life, they have to bring their politics into it as well. It just shows how out of touch he is. Speaking on topics that marginalise and alienate a vast amount of people involved in the club from his staff to the fans that help put money in his pockets.

Thanks for outing yourself as the abhorrent, arrogant and completely out of touch scum you truly are, Jim. You don't speak for me and if anyone isn't welcome, it's you and your puppetmaster Glazers.
 
Exactly that. Divide and conquer while they live a life of luxury in their ivory towers as they pit us against each other fighting for the scraps.


Agreed. It's not enough they destroy the sense of community, belonging and joy football brings to everyone from all walks of life, they have to bring their politics into it as well. It just shows how out of touch he is. Speaking on topics that marginalise and alienate a vast amount of people involved in the club from his staff to the fans that help put money in his pockets.

Thanks for outing yourself as the abhorrent, arrogant and completely out of touch scum you truly are, Jim. You don't speak for me and if anyone isn't welcome, it's you and your puppetmaster Glazers.
Quite.

If only the only alternative to these bastards ruining our football club wasn't a nation state or an American tech billionaire who all probably hold the same views as Ratcliffe anyway.
 
Never liked Radcliffe and these latest comments just show what a toxic person he is.
The comments on this thread are typical of the downturn of this country in recent years post-Brexit.
Radcliffe saying this out loud just make it more acceptable for people to say what they've always thought in public.
Not that I think he's a partcularly good actor, but that does seem a bit harsh
 
We’re not talking historically but, we’re talking now, and without even checking I can say with certainty the white population of Africa is under 1%




The UK is 100% a white country, Being British is an ethnicity, there’s black people who live in Britian and I’m sure are very patriotic etc, but they’re British only in name, this is a simple fact

If I moved to Japan, Nigeria or Iraq tomorrow and had children there and they became the most patriotic citizens the country has ever seen it still will never make them Japanese Nigerian or Iraqi
Great Britain has never been an all white nation.
 
I wish the interviewer asked him if he thinks British top level football has been 'colonised' by foreigners, seeing as there's more of them than Brits in a typical team these days.
 
There’s only one way to end this debate, this is the best outcome for all involved.

Give Britain back to the British and deport all coloured immigrants including those who were born here.

In exchange for giving back all resources and billions of compensation which was stolen and looted from the third world countries.

Deal?
and also stop drinking tea
 
Just read that the FA are reviewing Ratcliffe's comments to judge whether he has brought the game into disrepute. Part of me hopes it leads to a punishment for the club that he has nowhere to hide.
 
The thing is, it’s fine to talk about immigration and benefits issues.

However it becomes very transparent what the narrative is when you present it as he has.
It’s a disingenuous argument because you can see that behind it, it stinks of right wing, anti immigrants bollocks.

The key clues

- using fake statistics
- linking immigration to benefits
- saying things like “Nigel Farage is an intelligent man with good intentions”
- being a piece of shit of a person in general

Once these things are present it is very obvious this isn’t someone giving an honest opinion based on concern for the economy of Britain.
It’s just some two bit cnut shooting his mouth off because he hates migrants.
Nail on head and worth mentioning he and his Italian wife doesn't live in the UK and I believe don't pay taxes
 
We’re not talking historically but, we’re talking now, and without even checking I can say with certainty the white population of Africa is under 1%




The UK is 100% a white country, Being British is an ethnicity, there’s black people who live in Britian and I’m sure are very patriotic etc, but they’re British only in name, this is a simple fact

If I moved to Japan, Nigeria or Iraq tomorrow and had children there and they became the most patriotic citizens the country has ever seen it still will never make them Japanese Nigerian or Iraqi
I mean... not sure you could be more wrong if you tried, or to be honest make a more irrelevant comment.

The problem with trying to have a constructive discussion about immigration is that every knee jerk white supremacist British front loon tacks on to it like it is a call to arms.

Britain was built on colonisation, we were colonised by the Germans, Danes, Romans and French to mention a few (we used to mostly speak French up until around the time of QE1), and even before then we were not one people there were many vastly disparate tribes, Britain was not even a country until the act of union, we then went on to subjugate and colonise over half the world, and to put is politely did so by underhanded and violent means, half of which was done by private individuals acting purely out of financial self interest.

Many of the troubles we see in the world today are as of a result of Great British interference, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Palestine to mention a few

Despite our treatment of other nations, many men from India, Myanmar (Burma), West Indies to mention a few fought and died for us in wars, only to be treated as 2nd class citizens, after WWII we invited people from the commonwealth to move here to work and rebuild our economy.

And yet we get nonsense like your post about immigration.... half if not more of the people you think of as being quintessentially British are descended from immigrants only a couple of generations back.

You are also technically incorrect British or any other nationality is bestowed by birth or naturalisation.

Jim Ratcliffe needs to STFU he has zero idea about real life, has received tens of millions in subsidies from the British government and lives in a tax haven so he can avoid paying tax here, if there is a less qualified person to open his gob on the subject I am not sure who it would be.... maybe you!

FYI I have worked within the benefits system for over 30 years and I can categorically state that the vast and I mean vast majority of claimants are white British, and almost exclusively the fraudulent, violent, offensive, work shy claimants are white British.

People come here to work and do jobs that most lazy white Brits cannot be arsed to do... BTW I am a lazy white Brit but I do work!

And BTW stop painting the St. Georges cross on roundabouts will you, the appropriation by racists is really galling, and did you know that St George was actually Roman (present day Turkey) and never set foot in Britain, how is that for irony and appropriation?
 
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And BTW stop painting the St. Georges cross on roundabouts will you, the appropriation by racists is really galling, and did you know that St George was actually Roman (present day Turkey) and never set foot in Britain, how is that for irony and appropriation?

I must say I never understand these arguments about why a patron saint who wasn't English or anything else whilst alive matters; St George is the patron saint of England. He acts as an advocate for England in the Church Triumphant, in Heaven, and operates on the basis of having care for, and a duty towards, the protection of England and his other patronages - Genoa, Georgia for example, from others.

On the point at hand: whatever you feel about Sir Jim's comments and their validity or force, I think it a pretty foolish, selfish thing for the owner of the club to do to pile media attention and negativity on us.
 
I see that he has trotted out the "sorry my words offended people" non-apology. Twat.
 
We’re not talking historically but, we’re talking now, and without even checking I can say with certainty the white population of Africa is under 1%




The UK is 100% a white country, Being British is an ethnicity, there’s black people who live in Britian and I’m sure are very patriotic etc, but they’re British only in name, this is a simple fact

If I moved to Japan, Nigeria or Iraq tomorrow and had children there and they became the most patriotic citizens the country has ever seen it still will never make them Japanese Nigerian or Iraqi

This is absolute nonsense and couldn’t be more wrong.
 
The most half-arsed of apologies from Ratcliffe. No remorse, no acknowledgement that his comments can have a negative impact on the club that he co-owns. Just "I'm sorry some of you felt offended". Pathetic.
 
I don't want this racist piece of shit anywhere near our club for one second longer than necessary. RATcliffe out!
 
If he still has his Chelsea season ticket, he can feck off back there
 
There’s only one way to end this debate, this is the best outcome for all involved.

Give Britain back to the British and deport all coloured immigrants including those who were born here.

In exchange for giving back all resources and billions of compensation which was stolen and looted from the third world countries.

Deal?

I think we stopped calling people ‘coloured’ a long time ago.
 
Wow the part owner of the club has an opinion on a political and social item and its different than yours, however will you manage to move on from this atrocity?

Can never get too amazed by the political impatience of so called liberals
Racism backed up with fabricated incendiary stats is not an ideological incompatibility to anybody with any humanity. It'll take a lot for you to slip back into the shadows after a car crash of a post like that.
 
The UK is 100% a white country, Being British is an ethnicity, there’s black people who live in Britian and I’m sure are very patriotic etc, but they’re British only in name, this is a simple fact

The UK isn't a 100% white country, it's about 85% currently. And British isn't even an ethnicity, it's a nationality.

When you say the 100% white thing or that black people can't be British, I think what you mean is Britishness is tied to white European ancestry (e.g., Anglo-Saxon, Celtic roots). The thing is, Britain has never been 100% white, or tied to one ethnicity. British people are historically a mix of celtic tribes, Romans (many who were North African/Middle Eastern), Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Carribbeans, Indians..

So you need to provide evidence that British is an ethnicity and that the UK is a 100% white country before saying inflammatory things like black people aren't British. It's just thinly veiled racism in my eyes. Saying "it's just a simple fact" hides that it's just your belief that Britishness = whiteness, and I wonder if it's not a 'should be' statement.
 
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Folks, @Hud12 has been banned so pointless asking him questions.
 
Wow the part owner of the club has an opinion on a political and social item and its different than yours, however will you manage to move on from this atrocity?

Can never get too amazed by the political impatience of so called liberals
Its amazing how being a bigot and/or racist gets framed as a political stance these days
 
1) his company doesnt pay full corporation tax. He is a tax avoider
2) benefits britain isnt just immigration britain, it happened when corporations moved to the far east or sold out back in the 70s and onwards. They profited from cheap labour. long before a national minimum wage was introduced, workers still expected a base amount of pay, so companies started bringing on immigrants. When even that was too much for them, they went to sweatshops in the far east. ie their greed was what rinsed this system, by avoiding tax and enjoying their wealth elsewhere.
3) even if HE isn't responsible for what other multi millionaire/billionaire corporations did in the UK, it was still his kind who were responsibile, just like he's not paying full corporation tax. Ineos isnt paying 21%