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Jippy said:
Folks, @Hud12 has been banned so pointless asking him questions.
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Read his last 3 posts. Seems a bit much to ban him. There's stoking hate (which unless posts have been deleted the 3 I've seen in this thread definitely didn't) and there's having an opinion.

In danger of becoming an echo chamber if you can't post something which goes against the grain (without being particularly offensive btw)
 
Bobby_2024 said:
I am an immigrant living in UK for 25 years and paying high end taxes, many times I feel my hard earned money paid in TAX form has been misused when I read lot of stories about how people abuse the system and living on UC with out going to work on purpose.

I believe his point was mainly targeting that part of the immigrants who cheat the system instead of contributing to the Britain.

I am not fully supporting him as I know he used the wrong wording like colonization, but I do think he got a point to certain extent, Britain is quickly falling behind many other countries economically and govt should address it by stopping billions of pounds on benefits and force them to work.

I know he is dodging the taxes now but until 2017-18 he was in top TOP5 tax payers in this country guys.

Out of 9M who are on benefits(UC), it was only 1M immigrants...so he was wrong to certain extent saying its all immigrants behind downfall but end of the day govt has to do something to make this better overall which can help country's economical growth.
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You’d like to think he didn’t really mean you, just the other one’s that are not like you. But he did, infact, call you a colonizer.

I get that you, who worked hard and made a break for yourself, don’t feel like getting lumped with people who didn’t. But that is exactly what he did.
 

mbapps said:
Farage and others within so-called Reform have endorsed Ratcliffe's views.

Or, if you want to be smart, they haven't condemned them and insisted upon an apology like many groups already have.

That doesn't mean I do or do not endorse Farage or Labour or MUST or anyone, just trying to help you understand why Reform UK Ltd is being brought into the conversation, and why anyone who hasn't read your referred manifesto is not specifically uninformed or lacks 'authority'.
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Have you seen the Farage interview on Sky ? He does endorse. He also briefly discusses his wider relationship with Jim R.

I think the interviewer missed a trick by not asking him, if he came to power what would he do about it ? What is the intent ?
 
ErikElevenHag said:
Read his last 3 posts. Seems a bit much to ban him. There's stoking hate (which unless posts have been deleted the 3 I've seen in this thread definitely didn't) and there's having an opinion.

In danger of becoming an echo chamber if you can't post something which goes against the grain (without being particularly offensive btw)
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I'm afraid telling British people of colour that they aren't British is wildly racist, which in turn "stokes hatred". When someone wants to talk about immigration but instead talks about why dark British people aren't British then you begin to suspect they may have "slightly" racist views.

If someone wants to rationally debate migration then that is fine. But when it devolves into race based nonsense like this then we really don't need posters like that on here.
 
TsuWave said:
Instead of believing what his point might be - why not take his words for what they were? Misinformation and outright lies
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This is a problem. It started it with the football where some were imagining things like “he’s going to buy the club fully in 2 years” and now even his political comments people are trying to spin into “ but no he meant”

The guy is not stupid. He knows the power of words, the words he used, and topic he was speaking about. Of course immigration is an issue every nation has to manage. That’s just basis economics, to put it bluntly sometimes you need more, sometimes you need less, sometimes you need only immigrants skilled or unskilled in certain jobs.

But Ratcliffe is speaking about it in highly toxic way. A way that incites hatred and division, makes people feel left out. What’s worse he lives in Monaco and isn’t some ‘patriot’ struggling away life paying taxes
 
red_de_pologne said:
way to ruin the feel good factor around the club lately, guy is an idiot
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Guys been quiet for ages. We’ve had 5 matches without defeat and he decides to pop his head out to take the credit and just ruined it and made himself look like a prat.
 
alanjohnson said:
£39m from £2.4b profit
1.6% tax

Every corporation operates the same way. The logic is "if you force us to pay more we'll leave the UK and you'll be left be left with more unemployed"

It's one rule for them and another for the rest of us. They act like they're doing everyone else a favour.
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Not sure where you're getting those figures from? The company made a £150m loss last year and paid £78.8m in tax. Ineos is saddled with loads of debt and paid around £1bn servicing that, which wiped out profits.

https://www.ineos.com/globalassets/...udit-report-conso-31.12.2024-final_signed.pdf
 
Bobby_2024 said:
I am an immigrant living in UK for 25 years and paying high end taxes, many times I feel my hard earned money paid in TAX form has been misused when I read lot of stories about how people abuse the system and living on UC with out going to work on purpose.

I believe his point was mainly targeting that part of the immigrants who cheat the system instead of contributing to the Britain.

I am not fully supporting him as I know he used the wrong wording like colonization, but I do think he got a point to certain extent, Britain is quickly falling behind many other countries economically and govt should address it by stopping billions of pounds on benefits and force them to work.

I know he is dodging the taxes now but until 2017-18 he was in top TOP5 tax payers in this country guys.

Out of 9M who are on benefits(UC), it was only 1M immigrants...so he was wrong to certain extent saying its all immigrants behind downfall but end of the day govt has to do something to make this better overall which can help country's economical growth.
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The issue that you have here is that you're relying on these stories you've read about people abusing the system and being on benefits because they just don't want to work. I've never seen any evidence that your claim is a widespread problem, and other than anecdotes it's just rare big cases. So feel free to provide some actual evidence for immigrant benefit fraud being widespread but I think it doesn't exist and you've been fooled.

The stories you're reading are there to make you think that the problem is the immigrants rather than the rich people hoarding wealth, misleading the public about what Brexit meant, etc. It's a tale as old as time. They need to keep the little people fighting amongst themselves to avoid the spotlight on themselves. I can provide ample evidence for that view if you like (maybe PM me though since this is a bit off topic). There are examples throughout history of the rich and powerful creating prejudice against an outgroup in order to hold their power. That's all that's going on here. It's quite interesting once you start delving into it. Makes you angry though.
 
Structural and systemic inequalities impact job opportunities. Most people (immigrants or otherwise) want to work and make a living if given the chance - after all they are looking for a better life often for their families too. To think otherwise is lazy thinking.
 
ErikElevenHag said:
Read his last 3 posts. Seems a bit much to ban him. There's stoking hate (which unless posts have been deleted the 3 I've seen in this thread definitely didn't) and there's having an opinion.

In danger of becoming an echo chamber if you can't post something which goes against the grain (without being particularly offensive btw)
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If you don’t take offense on these statements, the fault lies with you and not with the mods, who did the right thing and banned an outrageously racist poster.
 
In some ways Ratcliffe's political views were very much in use when he took over United.

Rather than actually remove the biggest problem facing the club/ country which in this case was the Glazers/ billionaires hoovering vast sums out of the club/ country the ones to feel the impact were the least deserving and vulnerable in this case staff surviving from pay cheque to pay cheque / working class people and asylum seekers one move away from the breadline while a complicit media remained silent.
 
ErikElevenHag said:
Read his last 3 posts. Seems a bit much to ban him. There's stoking hate (which unless posts have been deleted the 3 I've seen in this thread definitely didn't) and there's having an opinion.

In danger of becoming an echo chamber if you can't post something which goes against the grain (without being particularly offensive btw)
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It was academically offensive. I won't judge the banning but there should be a limit to how clueless one can be on any topic they decide to tackle.
 
ErikElevenHag said:
Read his last 3 posts. Seems a bit much to ban him. There's stoking hate (which unless posts have been deleted the 3 I've seen in this thread definitely didn't) and there's having an opinion.

In danger of becoming an echo chamber if you can't post something which goes against the grain (without being particularly offensive btw)
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The guy said Britain is a 100% white country and that black people can't be ethnically British. That's not "going against the grain", those are dangerous opinions that have no place in modern society and should be rightly punished.
 
He needs to be on the receiving end of several lashes from Avram Glazer's filthy weathered ponytail.
 
Nice one Jim. Just starting to gain some form, even starting to get some positive press and you have to open your mouth. Idiot.
 


Lovely having this wonderful clubs name dragged into these never-ending culture wars, thanks Jim
 
As a refugee at my age of 6 years, that Ratcliffe can suck my dick.
And mr Ratcliffe and to all who think like him, a big procennt of migrants move because it is live or dead situation.
One day you are having breakfast, and suddenly your first neighbors want to kill you and rape your loved ones.
I moved 300 km to another city, albeit in my country, with just one set of clothes. Didn't see my father for 4 years... Yeah, we really wanted that. It was shity, I was "stranger" and "not wanted" in my own country, can't imagine how it is to move to another country and you look slight different.
When war did finish I moved to "western Europe", I was lucky because I look "white" and "normal". I saw so many discrimination just bec of name or color of skin. Many of that people didn't choose to be there. I took my degree, thanked to everyone and get off. I am now old and I don't wish to anyone to have to leave their home.
And feck Ratcliffe
 
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Comes to summat when you side with the Boss of Manchester City rather than the Big Boss of Manchester United.

The very best thing that you can say about Sir Jim Racist is that his comments were counter-productive. But what you really should say is that they were wrong, stupid, and that he's a cnut for saying them in the first place, and an even bigger cnut for doubling down with that non-apology apology.

And Greater Manchester... A region whose population increased ten-fold in the 19th Century. It wasn't because Mancunians were particularly proficient in the sack, but because lots of people came to the booming city to find work in the local cotton industries, and others. Immigrants. If you're not an immigrant in Manchester, then you're probably descended from people who came to the city as economic migrants. I certainly am. And so is Kobbie Mainoo. Wonder what he and his family think of such comments. Don't wave a new contract under his nose for signing just at this moment...

Fkn Brexit Generation. Can't wait for them to leave us.
 

Checked his reliability and he is highly regarded and respected in football finances.

If it is true, they have enough money if reports suggest regarding the cricket, but not enough to bother to chip away the debt. Just extend it out and I am presuming, pay off just the interest. Kicking the can down the road on the back of the club.
 
This is only going one way now. My prediction is Ratcliffe will only increase this nonsense and eventually start going on about cancel culture or something.

Anyway. I like this.

 
If there's one good thing to take away from this, it's seeing a more or less unified fan base stand up to the racist bullshit spouted by Ratcliffe.

Jim ain't the one.
 
I know that the Rat was talking about a very specific subset of immigrants, the kind some folks here have anecdotal stories about. But then he threw out (false) numbers about all immigrants, so I’m going to treat it as if he attacked the whole group.

https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/jim-ratcliffe-immigration-debunked/

Immigrant's contributions
According to government PAYE figures, skilled worker migrants pay a median of around £9,100 a year in income tax, while health and care workers pay a median of roughly £3,500. These figures exclude national insurance, VAT, council tax and other levies, meaning total tax contributions are higher

According to the Office for Budget Responsibility, new migrants are more likely to be prime working age, therefore, they proportionally have a slightly higher participation rate in the workforce than the native population.

The OBR said that migrants’ per capita contribution to the UK is around £19,500 per year, which is “close to the [amount paid by the] average UK adult”. Additionally, application fees associated with immigration visa category and the immigration health surcharge generate a further £4.1 billion per year for the economy.

“Immigrants are contributing much more to the economy than Jim Ratcliffe,” said Ala Sirriyeh, a senior lecturer in sociology at the University of Lancaster.

“And so, I would just say: get your house in order before you start commenting on other people’s contributions.”
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Rat's contributions
Worth some £17 billion, Ratcliffe is an immigrant himself – the British billionaire moved to Monaco in 2020. Ratcliffe was previously one of Britain’s biggest taxpayers before the move. But residents in the tax haven city state do not have to pay any income or property taxes, means he pays £0 in personal income tax in the UK.

It has been widely reported that the move could lead to £4 billion in tax savings for Ratcliffe, one of Britain’s richest men.
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INEOS, the company Ratcliffe founded, does pay tax in the UK. The company does not publish a detailed annual breakdown of its UK corporate tax payments, but its total tax payments across multiple countries amounted to hundreds of millions of euros in 2025.

The company also claims state support from the government recent years, including a £50 million package to secure its Grangemouth chemical plant just before Christmas.

Ratcliffe has long lobbied the UK government to help pay for the new Manchester United stadium, saying that there is a “very good case” for public funds to be used in the area’s regeneration.
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Of course his endgame is pretty transparent. I don't know if you guys in Manchester have any elections coming soon, but his rhetoric seems perfectly planned for that
There are seldom consequences for misrepresenting immigration figures, said Michael Bankole, a lecturer in politics researching on race, racism and representation at Royal Holloway, University of London.

“Politicians do this all time too – they misrepresent figures or kind of quote figures that aren’t actually accurate. People will lie about facts to suit their agenda.”

Nigel Farage has publicly supported Ratcliffe’s comments. Big Issue has previously debunked some of his claims about immigration, too.

“I think, over the last four or five years post Brexit, our discourse on immigration has worsened, it’s become much more aggressive,” Bankole said.

“The fact that Jim Ratcliffe feels comfortable enough to speak about immigration in those terms, to me, suggests that we have really gone to quite a bad place, quite a corrosive place.

“The worrying part isn’t just the language, it’s that influential elites are now comfortable mainstreaming rhetoric that once sat on the margins.”
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Say whatever about the Glazers, at least you never heard from them. This guy completely sucks in all regards.
 
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