Club ownership | Senior management team talk

Can't believe this Reform backing cnut owns a sizeable stake in this club. Feel genuine rage. Deep breaths.
 
DarkXaero said:
Say whatever about the Glazers, at least you never heard from them. This guy completely sucks in all regards.
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Avram Glazer was the NFL's largest Democratic Party donor.

Ratcliffe absolutely sucks in all regards, yes.
 
Judas said:
I genuinely think he might struggle to recover from this , I don’t see it going away. And nor should it. He’s a disgrace and an idiot.
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Shame there isn't someone at table to buy his shares
 
It seems that the fans are turning against this clown.
 
What possible consequential punishment could the FA dish out to a billionaire like Jim? A fine?

And if we lose the Adidas sponsorship we’re doomed
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Think managers can get banned, if fans can be banned for racism why not him. Not sure how the F.A. can do it, but it would just mean he goes to watch Chelsea or stays in his lovely tax haven in Monaco.
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i see. Although given that he retracted the comment, I wonder if the FA will go easy on him. He deserves a ban of considerable length
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
He doesn't have to back anyone in public.
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A good observation ! The way politics usually operates is that the folks who really control the world stay well out of the way. They are the king makers who put their chosen one into the chair, such as UK PM, and then pull the strings anonymously. It’s actually quite rare, and indeed is an indication of his naivety that he has shown his hand, which is not good news for us.

Another example is Musk who has also broken that mould by breaking cover and standing by Trump and equally managed to make an arse of himself. Funny how he’s not seen anywhere near him now !
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Think managers can get banned, if fans can be banned for racism why not him. Not sure how the F.A. can do it, but it would just mean he goes to watch Chelsea or stays in his lovely tax haven in Monaco.
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Before someone can take up ownership of a football club they have to pass a fit and proper person test, whilst it's generally only ever applied on financial grounds in football I believe the first line insists on the person being of good moral standing and I can't see how the FA can run the "Kick it Out!" campaign and simultaneously not agree that Jim has no morals. If he'd demonstrated racism to this degree as a normal punter in the ground he'd have received a lifetime ban so I can't see a reason the same shouldn't apply to his running of the club.

Get him gone, United don't need his dirty money.
 
Bury Red said:
Before someone can take up ownership of a football club they have to pass a fit and proper person test, whilst it's generally only ever applied on financial grounds in football I believe the first line insists on the person being of good moral standing and I can't see how the FA can run the "Kick it Out!" campaign and simultaneously not agree that Jim has no morals. If he'd demonstrated racism to this degree as a normal punter in the ground he'd have received a lifetime ban so I can't see a reason the same shouldn't apply to his running of the club.

Get him gone, United don't need his dirty money.
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They literally accepted MBS. Fit and proper test means very little
 
hellhunter said:
They literally accepted MBS. Fit and proper test means very little
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I don't disagree that they are spineless when it comes to applying their rules but with government backing they also prevented Abramovich from taking the £2.5B from his sale of Chelsea.

With the right pressure applied they could make the right ruling on the racist pillock and prove that "Kick it Out!" is not an empty slogan.
 
Adnan said:
And if he brought someone in like Lee Dykes from Brentford to lead the recruitment department, it would give us a more competent football structure with personnel leading it who have worked their way up the footballing pyramid where their work has been recognised over a decade or decades when working within footballing structures.
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It seemed like Dykes was an option when Ineos started their process a few years ago, and I really think that could be a name worth reverting back to.

In combination with Macaulay it would give us two young guys with experience from Brentford and Brighton who probably is the clubs that have done best in terms of recruitment in the PL for the bast decade. Considering the amount of money invested the head of recruitment is probably as important as the sporting director these days, and the record of Dykes is seriously impressive. I dont have an issue with Vivell, but he has not proven anything compared to Dykes and I really dont think Man Utd should «gamble» on an unproven employee in that role.
 
devilish said:
It seems that the fans are turning against this clown.
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I think it should be noted again that very few (if any) people were overly pro Ratcliffe before he came in.

The vast majority of people saw him as the lesser of three evils.

Yes, it's turning out shit but the alternatives would have also been shit.

And this isn't even whataboutism anymore, it's just reality.
 
Rolaholic said:
Only that old cretin could make the Gulf monarchs and headchoppers or corrupt oligarchs seem more appealling in comparison
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Shame there isn't a rich Boehly like individual on table as fan ownership will never become reality over here
 
Frosty said:
"I'm sorry if you feel I have ruined the club's position with the sponsors"
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I hate the glazers as much as anyone, and I do realise this might be stereotyping a bit as exceptions do exist, but for the most part, Jewish Americans feel very strongly about racism. So it’s gone under the radar a bit that his comment might have gone down with the glazers no different to if the majority owners were Black, Asian, Indian, Arab Americans etc. So while business is obviously an issue, I won’t be surprised if there’s genuine disdain by the glazers with Ratcliffe’s comment
 
JediSith said:
I hate the glazers as much as anyone, and I do realise this might be stereotyping a bit as exceptions do exist, but for the most part, Jewish Americans feel very strongly about racism. So it’s gone under the radar a bit that his comment might have gone down with the glazers no different to if the majority owners were Black, Asian, Indian, Arab Americans etc. So while business is obviously an issue, I won’t be surprised if there’s genuine disdain by the glazers with Ratcliffe’s comment
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The Glazers are prominent Trump supporters so I don't think they really care about racism.
 
JediSith said:
I hate the glazers as much as anyone, and I do realise this might be stereotyping a bit as exceptions do exist, but for the most part, Jewish Americans feel very strongly about racism. So it’s gone under the radar a bit that his comment might have gone down with the glazers no different to if the majority owners were Black, Asian, Indian, Arab Americans etc. So while business is obviously an issue, I won’t be surprised if there’s genuine disdain by the glazers with Ratcliffe’s comment
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Yeah just not in the sense you probably meant.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
I think it should be noted again that very few (if any) people were overly pro Ratcliffe before he came in.

The vast majority of people saw him as the lesser of three evils.

Yes, it's turning out shit but the alternatives would have also been shit.

And this isn't even whataboutism anymore, it's just reality.
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From a moral POV I knew that we were going to eat a shit sandwich hence why I was hoping that we end up with someone who is at least competent and rich enough to get us out of the hole the Glazers put us into. That wasn't INEOS
 
devilish said:
From a moral POV I knew that we were going to eat a shit sandwich hence why I was hoping that we end up with someone who is at least competent and rich enough to get us out of the hole the Glazers put us into. That wasn't INEOS
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Who is rich enough and morally acceptable?
 
croadyman said:
Who is rich enough and morally acceptable?
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That's the problem right there. We need someone who has something like 50b and there's only around 40 of them in the world and most of them if not all are going to be cnuts unfortunately.
 
croadyman said:
Who is rich enough and morally acceptable?
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No one. Hence why I never really gave too much worth on morality. United is 1b in debt. Our stadium is rotting and we have been in the red for years. Since there's no knight in shining armor capable of saving us then at least we could get someone who could wipe the debt, build a stadium and bring us back to the top without trying to squeeze every drop of blood from its fans most of whom honest hardworking people.
 
devilish said:
No one. Hence why I never really gave too much worth on morality. United is 1b in debt. Our stadium is rotting and we have been in the red for years. Since there's no knight in shining armor capable of saving us then at least we could get someone who could wipe the debt, build a stadium and bring us back to the top without trying to squeeze every drop of blood from its fans most of whom honest hardworking people.
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Realistically, that leaves only a state bid.

Ratcliffe’s comments show there's a massive danger with any kind of "political" figure.

Wider conflicts in the Middle East also means we'd also be one policy change/development from the precarious Chelsea situation post Roman.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Realistically, that leaves only a state bid.

Ratcliffe’s comments show there's a massive danger with any kind of "political" figure.

Wider conflicts in the Middle East also means we'd also be one policy change/development from the precarious Chelsea situation post Roman.
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Either a state bid or a consortium Chelsea style.

Some people underestimate how expensive it would be to bring United to what it once was

a- 6b to buy the whole club out (5b in Ratcliffe's case since he already invested 1b) cause no one is stupid enough to invest billions in the club so that the Glazers can benefit out of it. They'll only do that if they actually own the club

b- 4b for the stadium

c- 1b to wipe the debt

d- around 1b investment on the squad

That's 12b. That's for a club who keep losing money. Good luck finding a beacon of morality ready of forking that money without taking anything back.
 
Judas said:
I genuinely think he might struggle to recover from this , I don’t see it going away. And nor should it. He’s a disgrace and an idiot.
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I think it’ll get forgotten. Not saying it should. But just my hunch. The media don’t seem be to be going to hard at him, seen them take people down for much less. Seems like he’s getting a pass.
 
andersj said:
It seemed like Dykes was an option when Ineos started their process a few years ago, and I really think that could be a name worth reverting back to.

In combination with Macaulay it would give us two young guys with experience from Brentford and Brighton who probably is the clubs that have done best in terms of recruitment in the PL for the bast decade. Considering the amount of money invested the head of recruitment is probably as important as the sporting director these days, and the record of Dykes is seriously impressive. I dont have an issue with Vivell, but he has not proven anything compared to Dykes and I really dont think Man Utd should «gamble» on an unproven employee in that role.
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I agree with you. I would even say the head of recruitment is the most important figure at the club as far as recruitment is concerned. The DoF just needs to make sure he supports the relevant heads of departments and thus create a environment for them, where they can thrive. The DoF role isn't a big deal because without having best in class recruiters he won't succeed imo.

Lee Dykes was first linked to us prior to INEOS arriving at the club and I've previously said that Dykes was a obvious standout candidate due to not only his use of observing talent with eye test but also how he utilised data to maximize the ability of the the eye test and thus creating a environment at Brentford where they punched above their weight when it came to recruiting players at Premier league level.
 
JediSith said:
I think it’ll get forgotten. Not saying it should. But just my hunch. The media don’t seem be to be going to hard at him, seen them take people down for much less. Seems like he’s getting a pass.
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Hopefully the fans stay on his neck. He said that he would leave if he got the hate the Glazers received, so we need to test that resolve. Perhaps he will be forced to sell if enough fuss is kicked up for a prolonged period.
 
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