Yet the Glazers are still the majority owners of the club.
Do these people think before they spout this crap.
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Yet the Glazers are still the majority owners of the club.
Do these people think before they spout this crap.
Use white text next time. Or come to realize we are only in this mess because of the Glazers
Hmmm… I take back the common sense thing. This is sensationalist nonsense and really stupid thing to say.
So people really think INEOS in 12 months have been worse than the Glazers whole tenure ?
Common sense is really lacking on here of late
Common sense is really lacking on here of late
What absolute drivel. He normally talks some sense. Any business that undergoes re structuring is going to have lower moral than normal due to uncertainty.
United needs restructuring. We all know it does. It has been very unsuccessful for a long time, things have to change.
United needs restructuring. We all know it does. It has been very unsuccessful for a long time, things have to change.
I'm not sure the staff would agree that Ineos has been any better than the Glazers. More to the club than just the football side. I don't think anyone means Ineos has been worse on footballing matters (so far)
Without Ineos propping them up, the glazers were in a financial position where they would have to sell the club.
Ineos gave them an out, and ensured they could keep owning the business, and then pulled their own level of shitehousing on top.
Ineos have been crap so far. But saying they are making the Glazers look good is a nonsense. Even after a good performance and result we just get pilloried for a week in the media.
It's funny how these 'experts' never bother to explain why all the cuts are happening at the club.
Why are they happening?
It's simple, the Glazers ran the club into the ground.
The christmas party is cancelled because "the Glazers ran the club into the ground"? You'll have to do better than that.
In the context of the whole clip what he says makes sense though. The morale at the club within the staff is at a lowpoint far lower than has been the case at any point during the glazers solo reign. We all agree Glazers ran us in to the ground. But Ineos really do seem to misunderstand United and its core values completely. The idiotic Fulham comments speak to that point.
If the Glazers had never happened, Ineos would have never had the money to buy the club so it is all glazers fault in the end.
It's not so black and white, the Glazers spent badly, appointed badly and ran the club badly. Ratcliffe is also not a nice guy and is running the club as he would any other newly acquired business, streamlining, making cuts and leveraging cash wherever he can. Mass redundancies, cancelled perks and raised ticket prices are all part of this. It must be galling for staff to lose jobs and for fans forced to pay more while millions are paid out to ETH for an extended contract.
Realistically, the costs of buying United limited the level of bidder. Only two sincere bids emerged, and one of those negotiated exceptionally poorly (Qatar).
It’s true the Glazer policy failed and a sale would have become inevitable, but the ‘full sale’ so craved by some supporters was not as necessary as the situation demanded.
Are there any quotes from people at the club confirming morale is at an all time low? Seems like a load of guesswork to me, an opportunity to slate United
A mate of a mate works at the club. He and the people he works with aren't all that bothered about "cuts."
He says the perks were so ridiculous he can't complain at a few being removed.
Given that Kieran is usually quite well connected I dont see any reason to doubt it. Andy Mitten has said as much as well.
If this came from Luckhurst I would have not believed it.
Have any of you been to see Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juve or PSG play? Its not cheap. I think some people live in fantasy land where players can get paid 350k per week and fans go to games for 35 pounds a Saturday.
If the club charges alot and spends alot, I can swallow it. But if they want to raise prices and cut staff, they better bring in some exciting players to match the increased costs to supporters.
If the club charges alot and spends alot, I can swallow it. But if they want to raise prices and cut staff, they better bring in some exciting players to match the increased costs to supporters.
When you visit the Bernabeu....does the roof leak water down in your face?
No you're right United were in a great financial situation.
And cutting a Christmas party will make a tangible difference to that?
It shows the disaster that the Glazers are. Turnarounds are always tough and nasty but if not now then even more dramatically in a couple of years
No they weren’t. They needed cash sure, but they would have just sold a percentage to one of the private equity firms circling.
The Christmas party was cancelled as they didn't feel it was appropriate to celebrate with all the other cuts going on. It also saved them 250k
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Just compare money in vs money out for both parties and that argument is dead in the water.
INEOS are trying to sort the mess - they're just a) not pumping in billions like the fans want, and b) having to make some unpopular decisions as a result. But the end result is that the club is better off financially, which is the opposite of the Glazers. And I'm pretty sure SJR has already invested a large sum of money straight off the bat (can't remember the amount).
By saying that I rate who they've hired and the fact I'm willing to give them time to turn things around because I realise the mess the Glazers left us in?
ShillBy saying that I rate who they've hired and the fact I'm willing to give them time to turn things around because I realise the mess the Glazers left us in?
Agreed. Good post.
He’s right, though. The club clearly needs to become more efficient. It’s easy to make fun of individual cuts, but it’s an overall strategy change that the management is implementing in a bid to attempt to make the club more profitable.
God knows how much money we've pissed away over the years on corporate excess.
Exactly.
People saying INEOS are worse than the Glazers or Glazers 2.0 are clearly struggling to understand what is needed.
Most successful businesses, yes Manutd is a business as well, run efficiently when you have streamlined staff.
There has been this culture from the top to bottom where its overpaid and underachieving.
Yes, people losing their jobs is not a good thing but if a business has 250 plus excess staff, its not going to run efficiently.
We have thrown money at the problem for so many years, creating a huge debt and performances on the pitch have not improved. For how many years have we said we need to stop paying players what we pay them... well this applies to every staff member too.
Spending money has got us in this mess, we need a new strategy and obviously that means undoing some of the previous damage, now they are doing that, fans would prefer the Glazers.
Yeah it’s probably a disgusting amount.
It’s not nice, but it’s a direct result of the horrendous mismanagement the club has been subject to for a decade or more.
No. By contradicting what you’d previously said just based on what INEOS want people to think.By saying that I rate who they've hired and the fact I'm willing to give them time to turn things around because I realise the mess the Glazers left us in?
It needs to become more efficient in areas that will make a tangible difference to our performances on the pitch. Not having a Christmas party will not achieve that. 50 years worth of Christmas parties won’t make up for the monumentally stupid decision to extend Ten Hag’s contract.
Making staff unhappy to the extent their own performance may suffer or result in high turnover of staff is not efficient.
United is still one of the highest revenue generating clubs in the world.
If people think cutting cristmas party or 10 is going to change things they are extremely naive.
The debt needs to go, then the club can stand on its own. Sadly all of our owners seem reluctant to touch that debt with their own money.
Clearly the club employed wayyy too many people. Trim the fat, streamlining, whatever you want to call it. Probably needed to be done.
This project will take years to rectify after years of mismanagement by the Glazers. Let's see in 5 years time what's going on instead of the one year.
This project will take years to rectify after years of mismanagement by the Glazers. Let's see in 5 years time what's going on instead of the one year.
To be honest, he might be an arsehole, but I think SJR knows a thing or two about making businesses more efficient financially, so I’ll probably trust his judgement in this particular case.
Yep and we still make losses. Its naive to think that because the club generates one of the highest revenue... outgoing costs can be unlimited.
A party costs 250k, add to that all the other savings, you are looking at in excess of £10m saving a year on staff. Then add to that the club are looking to lower the wage bill, so Rashford, Casemiro, Sancho for starters will save the club another £50m.
So it is Incredibly naive to think that £60/70 savings a year will not change things.
Restructure player's wage, eliminate players who are not in long term plan, and recruit the right talent is the most important thing that Berrada/Wilcox need focus.
If they can't do this well, there's no way we will be EPL champion in next 10 years.
If they can't do this well, there's no way we will be EPL champion in next 10 years.