Cole Palmer | Chelsea Player
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Was the manager to blame when he scored 14 goals plus 7 assists in the first half of the season?
You should read tge Rasmus thread, it's basically a baby according to some in there. Can't be expected to produce till you're 27 apparently
Was nice to go through the various stats on that page, much as I hate stats. Reminds me of the days of Messi in La Liga circa 2017-2018, when he was literally top in every single category......
It has not been a great season for any of those position players in general.
Odegaard has been very poor by his standards
KdB has not been great and often dropped even when healthy
Fernandes...okish.
MacAllister okish
Gordon....meh
I am sure there are some out there that have had good seasons, but the main ones have ranged from average to poor by their expected standards.
It works a bit different for all of them, but I feel that position player is being watched a bit more this season by opposition.
Odegaard has been very poor by his standards
KdB has not been great and often dropped even when healthy
Fernandes...okish.
MacAllister okish
Gordon....meh
I am sure there are some out there that have had good seasons, but the main ones have ranged from average to poor by their expected standards.
It works a bit different for all of them, but I feel that position player is being watched a bit more this season by opposition.
Just checked...and his last 2 goals came off games against poorly organized teams, Spurs and ipswich. At some point last year, most of the oppositions started treating Chelsea as top opposition, and as a result he got less space to operate. It is not only a drop in form.
It's all about that collapsible defensive system now and the space & creativity especially in the center of the park is more limited.
It's all about that collapsible defensive system now and the space & creativity especially in the center of the park is more limited.
Fernandes has surely performed better than all of those players you listed?
If you have player next to you who you like passing to, and he likes to dribble and shoot from every situation (Rashford, Garnacho, etc.) then your number of created chances will improve drastically, especially the lower quality ones. I don't watch Chelsea very often, but Bruno would finish our games with 9 chances created and you couldn't remember these 9 chances apart from one or two brilliant passes, but then you see these chances and see that he apparently created chances for Rashford to shoot from 25m. It's not a coincidence that his chances creation dropped when Rashford left us. Set pieces also improve that record too.
Not taking anything from these two, but that stat can be so misleading I don't think anyone who likes actually watching football seriously uses it.
A decent video on Maresca and what his possession style does to teams over time as it is implemented more thoroughly and his teams have more possession.
Basically, more possession means less Xg and that will always mean someone productive like Palmer, a risk taker, suffers.
The video makes some good arguments.
However I believe my point still stands: With slower build up Jackson is the one who creates the room for Palmer to take the shots he is best at, and the opportunity to dove tail with him and run in behind. Furthermore I believe the wingers in general have been worse In the second half of the season than the first. As chelsea have exerted more control over games. Reducing Palmer's room to further.
Thus his natural dip in out put is suddenly looking more systemic than it actually is. With how Chelsea play currently. It doesn't matter the form Palmer is in or the freedom given. He will inevitably score less with the wingers playing as poorly as they have been and the total lack of alternative to Jackson when he is out. For they agent stretching teams as well as they did in the first half of the season. Forcing Palmer to try and help the wingers more, keeping him further from goal. Then when Jackson is missing, none of the other forwards are able to create room in the hole for Palmer to operate in.
I would say so...but it hasn't been a great season, has it? Just average?
If you are top 6 PL team, you need to move the ball faster. Pool are better at doing just that, and it drags the game to a pace they feel more comfortable with. They like the bit of chaos. Arsenal needs to push a lot faster. More carries....more progressive passes. We are not the only ones but we are particularly slow lately. Of course the risk is you become a Spurs, but there is a balance there.
Chelsea...they've gone down that same road. It's too slow and the likes of Palmer suffer more.
Mac Allister has been top quality this season.
MacAllister has been excellent this season
What position are you talking about?
That’s the error which stands out in his post? Bruno has been okish? Gordon plays the same position as the other players on the list? He’s invented something called a “position player”? The whole thing is a train wreck.
Palmer had a lot more space to work with coming in off the right last season than he's had centrally this season. I don't know if the answer is as simple as that. There's been a lot of criticism for Maresca and his rigid system, and what I see is Palmer does get a lot of positional freedom but he almost always has a man glued to him and he's struggled with impacting the game when he's being man marked so closely.
The thing that makes me think he's actually in his own head is the way he's snatching at chances. Which is funny because of the whole 'he's too stupid to feel pressure' bollocks people were saying about him.
Yes its a poor post to be honest
As his official manager, last season too.
It's a pitty that he doesn't play a fully offensive role, yet at the same time he is so good keeping the shape of the team, tempo setter and organizing, while recovering a lot of balls that I do get why coaches want him also during matches to have him close to the keeper coming from deep and sometimes in the 6 role...yet that ball striking deserves to have more goalscoring ocasions.
On Palmer, I've said it at first, he was pretty irregular with Pep and quite wastefull and sellfish to actually impose in City and that's why in part Pep let him go...YET, Pep it's at fault too for not letting him be more loose, hold his hand and helped him to mature...it wasn't that Pep let go the best Palmer Chelsea got at moments, yet it was clear at the same time that he deserved more time and patience.
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Yes, it was a bit of fit the best scenario fail. Pool doesn't really have a creative force from the middle as much and naming a 10 or hybrid there is a stretch.
Every team is a bit different. Even Gordon is more on the left. My point is there isnt much space for creators anymore especially down the middle, which is why you don't see amazing results. Most teams have figured out how to put contain the game....except for the relegation teams.
Gordon is literally the definition of a winger.
He's too good to play higher up the pitch, weird as that sounds. Not many around who plays to his level in all phases of play. As midfieldy as it gets.
Yeah I agree, yet at least he should get first chance every dead ball with a chance to score, from penalty to free kick. Anyway this is a Cole thread. I can of derraill it a bit, sorry for that.
That is the next part in that adaptation to his game. I remember something similar with Saka where he got doubled up after a while with Arsenal. The aspect Saka developed well was using a change of pace from a standstill position. He's also adept at going outside his marker compared to predictably cutting inside on his favoured foot.
Cole has to add more dynamics to his game over the first five yards. He's not getting that extra second in possession as he's proven himself to be a quality outstanding player. Coaching staff should be drilling scenarios he's going to come up against to refine his attacking threat.
He'll be off to Madrid soon. Madrid will come in with a hefty bid in the window.
He is perfect for our left #10 role. Sancho and Palmer swap anyone ?
better on the right, the left one belongs to Cunha
Who are you benching for him?
Fernandes Okish?
Wow
he's been immense. Second to Salah in goal contributions and generally brilliant
Is he not on course for the best output stats of his entire career?
It depends on what you mean by "output stats" but he has far fewer goals and assists this season compared to last.
14 goals and 10 assists this season is still excellent.
I was looking at all competitions
Last season he got 27 goals and 15 assists in all comp. This season so far he has 14 goals and 10 assists in all comps.
We’re talking about Bruno here, yes?
If you are, you're in the wrong thread!
Maybe read the exchange of messages
Don't be ridiculous.
One season wonder..
How can you have millions of dollars and that hair cut? It doesn't make any sense.
