Conflict in Sudan

The World's Police™ could stop it if they wanted. All this talk of the Quad, getting partners on board, asking other nations not to let their territories to be used to transport weapons, drones, etc, is just delaying tactics. American arms dealers will be coining it in. The same dealers who host $5,000 a plate fundraisers for senators and congressmen and women.

It's all a bit "tut tut, isn't it terrible?"
 
The World's Police™ could stop it if they wanted. All this talk of the Quad, getting partners on board, asking other nations not to let their territories to be used to transport weapons, drones, etc, is just delaying tactics. American arms dealers will be coining it in. The same dealers who host $5,000 a plate fundraisers for senators and congressmen and women.

It's all a bit "tut tut, isn't it terrible?"
Why focus only on American arms dealers? This conflict has seen Turkish, Iranian and Chinese weaponry too.
 
The World's Police™ could stop it if they wanted. All this talk of the Quad, getting partners on board, asking other nations not to let their territories to be used to transport weapons, drones, etc, is just delaying tactics. American arms dealers will be coining it in. The same dealers who host $5,000 a plate fundraisers for senators and congressmen and women.

It's all a bit "tut tut, isn't it terrible?"

Can we not focus on the states who have actually perpetrated this, rather than being upset about Americas lack of action in a country that means almost nothing to them?

 
That's actually a pretty good conversation for a press conference. (Maybe my expectations of anything of the current US administration are that low?) And it's probably the right way forward to back the Sudan government. Not that they're good guys, but 'not the RSF' seems like a good start to anything. I guess for this sort of international initiative, you just have to hope they find a way to get the UAE on their side...?


Yep, I was also surprised by it. I guess when there’s strong lobbying for one side or nuclear armed powers as in other conflicts, this administration can take a more professional approach.

It certainly needs a lot of pressure by surrounding countries in the Middle East, whether that’s through increased support for the Sudanese armed forces or threats of sanctions etc against the UAE.

Interesting that Saudi and UAE seem to be diverging on some foreign policy goals recently.
 
The Crisis Group has a decent write-up on the conflict, although it ends (as is usual with them) with a bunch of “should do” recommendations which will likely go unheeded:

After El Fasher: Ending Sudan’s Atrocious War​

The Rapid Support Forces’ murderous rampage in the North Darfur capital has brought rare global attention to Sudan’s disastrous conflict. The U.S. and its Arab allies should step up efforts to halt the carnage

https://www.crisisgroup.org/africa/...ous-war?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=social
 
UAE wouldn't be too happy with this?



There seems to be some distance between UAE and Saudi Arabia when it comes to foreign policy; see UAE signing the Abraham Accords as opposed to Saudi Arabia's current persistence on the Palestine Question being resolved satisfactorily first.

Not that the Sauds are saints; cf Yemen
 
all trump will hear is Sudanese nutz and start dreaming of big Bill’s boner.
 
The New Yorker has an interview with a guy who has some more observations on Sudan. He talks about Turkey, Egypt, Eritrea and Somalia being supportive of the Sudanese army and Ethiopia/UAE supporting the RSF.
The way this is now shaping up is that Egypt has formed an alliance with Eritrea, Ethiopia’s rival, and Somalia, also Ethiopia’s rival. And that alliance is supportive of the SAF. And, in opposition to that, the R.S.F. in Sudan has forged a relationship very much underpinned by the U.A.E. and Ethiopia. The concern now isn’t just what’s going to happen with the Nile’s water and the conflicts around that; it’s what happens if Ethiopia does go to war with Eritrea.

Also says UAE is worried about de-dollarization and sees Sudan as a holy grail in backing up its currency.
One is precious metals such as gold, but also other metals, and the U.A.E. is a global gold market; two is land, and the U.A.E. is buying a lot of land in East Africa, in Sudan, in the Horn of Africa; three is oil, which of course they have, as does Saudi Arabia; four is strategic real estate, and in this case the U.A.E. has an advantage because it has two major companies that buy a lot of ports; and then, lastly, data and now A.I. The U.A.E. may eventually be one of the largest data centers and A.I. hubs in the world.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-the-conflict-in-sudan-became-a-humanitarian-catastrophe
 
Trump just confirmed those earlier reports that Sudan wasn’t on his radar but MBS asked him to do something about it. Says he’s started working on it.
 
Exclusive: The first proof of the use of chemical weapons in Sudan’s civil war
An investigation by the FRANCE 24 Observers team reveals how chlorine gas was used as a weapon in the ongoing civil war in Sudan. All evidence suggests the Sudanese army used chlorine to recapture a strategic refinery from the Rapid Support Forces militia.
Our investigation shows that the chlorine was exported to Sudan by Chemtrade International Corporation, an Indian company. They said it was intended exclusively for water treatment purposes, a common civilian use.
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-show...st-proof-use-chemical-weapons-sudan-civil-war
 
Jesus...estimated 60k dead.

The Sudanese city of El Fasher resembles a “massive crime scene”, with large piles of bodies heaped throughout its streets as the paramilitary Rapid Support Forces (RSF) work to destroy evidence of the scale of their massacre.
While the final death toll of the massacre remains unclear, British MPs have been briefed that at least 60,000 have been murdered in El Fasher.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-...ity-el-fasher-slaughterhouse-satellite-images
 
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1959884/several-killed-in-drone-strikes-on-sudan-kindergarten-hospital

Recent paramilitary drone attack on the army-held town of Kalogi in Sudan’s South Kordofan state hit a kindergarten and a hospital, killing dozens of civilians including children, a local official said on Sunday.

The attack on Thursday involved three strikes, “first a kindergarten, then a hospital and a third time as people tried to rescue the children”, Essam al-Din al-Sayed, head of the Kalogi administrative unit, said using a Starlink satellite internet connection.

He blamed the assault on the Rapid Support Forces and their ally, the Sudan People’s Liberation Movement-North faction (SPLM-N) led by Abdelaziz al-Hilu, which controls much of South Kordofan and parts of Blue Nile state.
 
That's actually a pretty good conversation for a press conference. (Maybe my expectations of anything of the current US administration are that low?) And it's probably the right way forward to back the Sudan government. Not that they're good guys, but 'not the RSF' seems like a good start to anything. I guess for this sort of international initiative, you just have to hope they find a way to get the UAE on their side...?
That is certainly and rightly the case, but Rubio is not a stupid or bad politician. His views are definitely often questionable, but he is capable. Unfortunately, he lacks a backbone.

Edit: Sorry, didn't realise this was older. The last page didn't load. But the point probably still stands.
 
Sudanese paramilitary group RSF killed more than 1,000 civilians in Zamzam camp in April, UN says
More than 1,000 civilians were killed in a three-day attack by the Rapid Support Forces paramilitary group earlier this year on the largest displacement camp in western Sudan, the U.N. Human Rights Office said in a report released Thursday.
RSF stormed Zamzam camp in April as part of its siege of the city of el-Fasher, the provincial capital of North Darfur province.

In the attack, hundreds of people were summarily executed, according to the report. People were killed in house-to-house raids and the main market, as well as in schools and health facilities. The report detailed patterns of sexual violence, “including rape and gang rape, and sexual slavery
https://apnews.com/article/sudan-war-rsf-zamzam-un-report-c7b1a81d4f70dc3e3f6b27c86278ea76
 
International aid staff who accessed Sudan's al-Fashir for the first time since its takeover by a paramilitary force found the city largely deserted, with a few people sheltering in buildings or under plastic sheets, a senior U.N. official said on Monday.

 
Article also mentions the UAE financing the camp and offering logistical support.

 
Crazy how this has expanded to a regional affair

You have Egypt, Ethiopia, Chad directly involved... Indirect involvement from Kenya, South Sudan and Eritrea

Saudi Arabia and the UAE and Turkey pulling strings in terms of material support

Ethiopia is not completely at peace with Tigray being a possible flash point, and Abiy having ambitions of sea access via Eritrea (how he got the peace prize is still mind boggling)
 
Better suited for the Africa thread but right now Africa has 3 major zones of instability and conflict:

ISWIS/Banditry activity in the Sahel

Ongoing Great Lakes conflict between DRC/Burundi and Rwanda/Uganda/non-state actors

And the topic of this thread

All cross-border issues with the potential to destablize the continent further
 
U.N. officials say several thousand civilians were killed in the RSF takeover of el-Fasher, the Sudanese army’s only remaining stronghold in the Darfur. Only 40% of the city’s 260,000 residents managed to flee the onslaught alive, thousands of whom were wounded, the officials said. The fate of the rest remains unknown.

 
Sudan accuses Ethiopia of involvement in civil war.

Sudan has accused Ethiopia of allowing drones to be launched from its territory into Sudan to carry out attacks in February and March, the first time it has directly accused its powerful neighbour of involvement in the three-year civil war.
The Sudanese foreign ministry ‌statement, released late on Monday, is the latest sign that one of the world's deadliest conflicts between the army and the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) is drawing in regional powers from Africa and beyond.
https://www.reuters.com/business/me...st-time-involvement-its-civil-war-2026-03-03/
 
UAE supplies to the RSF haven’t completely ceased. Al Dhafra Air base was the principle UAE supply base but after Iran hit it the UAE didn’t just quit they transferred the supply route to Al Ain Airport.

The UAE’s determination to arm their genocidal proxy hasn’t diminished what has is their capacity. RSF militiamen are facing severe shortages most notably in air defence missiles. If RSF supply lines remain restricted for over a month; the Sudanese Army will literally just be able to walk into some of the towns in West Kordofan.

 
An El Fasher scenario might be unfolding again.

‘El Obeid must not become the next crime scene’ warn UN investigators
El Obeid, the capital of the North Kordofan state, is currently under SAF control, but the city has faced “siege-like conditions” for 18 months, UN human rights chief Volker Türk said on 3 July. The situation in El Obeid could deteriorate even further, as attacks on critical infrastructure such as power stations have caused blackouts, disrupted water supplies and hampered hospitals’ ability to operate.
The mission noted that the UN repeatedly warned about the risk of atrocities in El Fasher before the city fell, but that those warnings were not heeded. Now, investigators are raising the alarm over El Obeid to encourage prompt action to prevent further casualties. “At a moment when serious concerns are being raised about the risks facing civilians in El Obeid, the findings from El Fasher underscore the need for urgent protection measures before more lives are lost,” expert mission member Joy Ngozi Ezeilo said.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/07/1167897