Conte | Rejects Spurs

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This is what Conte told Levy

"YOU JUST GOT KANE'D"
 

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Spurs are in deep shit arent they?

What brought on this decline though? With us and Arsenal it was pretty easy to determine. Two long serving manager legends signed off, but what happened with Spurs?

The decline predated Poch leaving so it cant be just that. So what is it?
 

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Spurs are in deep shit arent they?

What brought on this decline though? With us and Arsenal it was pretty easy to determine. Two long serving manager legends signed off, but what happened with Spurs?

The decline predated Poch leaving so it cant be just that. So what is it?
Lad

it's Spurs
 

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Spurs are in deep shit arent they?

What brought on this decline though? With us and Arsenal it was pretty easy to determine. Two long serving manager legends signed off, but what happened with Spurs?

The decline predated Poch leaving so it cant be just that. So what is it?
I think in retrospect, Levy's decision to not back Poch (either about refreshing squad at peak or selling players that would just run down contracts so not be engaged) started all this.

With investment I'm sure Poch would have stood a good chance at pushing on whilst the squad would be refreshed and excited. As it is, not investing led to Poch leaving and the nee manager taking over a squad on the decline.

They would have needed to get the next hire really right to turn it round but got Mourinho instead.
 
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Spurs are in deep shit arent they?

What brought on this decline though? With us and Arsenal it was pretty easy to determine. Two long serving manager legends signed off, but what happened with Spurs?

The decline predated Poch leaving so it cant be just that. So what is it?
I think it was the Dulux moment. Who could ever recover from being openly mocked by your brand new "Official Paint Supplier"?
 

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Spurs are in deep shit arent they?

What brought on this decline though? With us and Arsenal it was pretty easy to determine. Two long serving manager legends signed off, but what happened with Spurs?

The decline predated Poch leaving so it cant be just that. So what is it?
For me it was the time when their fans were proudly stating that Dele Alli was a better footballer than Pogba and worth over 100m. That was when they peaked.
 

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Spurs are in deep shit arent they?

What brought on this decline though? With us and Arsenal it was pretty easy to determine. Two long serving manager legends signed off, but what happened with Spurs?

The decline predated Poch leaving so it cant be just that. So what is it?
maybe spending 1.2b on a new stadium right before a global pandemy that pushed fans out of it for 2years?
 

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Banter & jokes aside, Spurs really need a proper long term manager to get to CL and even title competing level again. Short project ones won't help on that.
 

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maybe spending 1.2b on a new stadium right before a global pandemy that pushed fans out of it for 2years?
I mean make all the jokes you want but regardless, they just don’t invest in the squad. 16/17 and 18/19 were pisstake summers for a club who wanted to cement their top 4 place and push on.
 

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I think it was the Dulux moment. Who could ever recover from being openly mocked by your brand new "Official Paint Supplier"?
:lol: How have I only just seen this.
 

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Spurs are in deep shit arent they?

What brought on this decline though? With us and Arsenal it was pretty easy to determine. Two long serving manager legends signed off, but what happened with Spurs?

The decline predated Poch leaving so it cant be just that. So what is it?
Daniel Levy.

I think in retrospect, Levy's decision to not back Poch (either about refreshing squad at peak or selling players that would just run down contracts so not be engaged) started all this.

With investment I'm sure Poch would have stood a good chance at pushing on whilst the squad would be refreshed and excited. As it is, not investing led to Poch leaving and the nee manager taking over a squad on the decline.

They would have needed to get the next hire really right to turn it round but got Mourinho instead.
The moment Levy believed in the hype that spurs is equal to clubs like Man United and Chelsea, they're doomed. Remember when Jose seemed to grow endless fetish with spurs player? we were linked with their player at every transfer window, only for Levy to slap him by putting crazy price tag on their players. Danny Rose for 50M, Eric Dier for 60M, Toby for 60M, Erikssen for 80M, and Ali for 100M :houllier: And he did that out of spit just because he wanted to be seen as a tough negotiator who will not crumble under bullying from richer clubs. People would say Levy had every right to do that which of course they're right but for a club with limited budget like spurs they need to be realistic. The wisest thing they should do is to sell these players at appropriate price while their stock is at highest. Daniel Levy had basically wasted 150M worth of fees which can be used to help Pochettino rejuvenating his squad. Now theyd be extremely lucky if some club want to splash 20M for Eric Dier!
 

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Spurs are in deep shit arent they?

What brought on this decline though? With us and Arsenal it was pretty easy to determine. Two long serving manager legends signed off, but what happened with Spurs?

The decline predated Poch leaving so it cant be just that. So what is it?
It was a mixture of a lot of things :

a) They were too dependant on Kane
b) The decline of Alli
c) Pochettinos horrible transfer record after the summer of 2015 - that summer they signed Son and Alderweireld - after that they spent over 3 seasons without signing a single quality player. They basically wasted £200 million on 8-9 players who weren't good enough.
d) The never replaced Trippier - he wasn't at his best in his last season at Spurs, but they let him go and replaced him with no one.
e) Alderweirld and Vertonghen got too old - they were the rock of the defence - now Spurs don't have a single decent central defender.
 

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Spurs are in deep shit arent they?

What brought on this decline though? With us and Arsenal it was pretty easy to determine. Two long serving manager legends signed off, but what happened with Spurs?

The decline predated Poch leaving so it cant be just that. So what is it?
Two transfer windows without a single signing. Lack of investment.
 

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Levy for all his sins was just unlucky with the timing of covid. The stadium amd training ground are world class venues. He was expecting £20mil a season for naming rights lane and the increased revenue from the new stadium would eventually (after a few years of paying chunks of the debt off) allow them to compete with the likes of liverpool, arsenal, utd, chelsea and city regularly. The whole thing i.e. stadium/training ground has been build to sell to the highest bidder who wants to own a football club ready made. But covid completely ruined his plans.

On the playing front agree with other posts, hes delusional and didnt agree that the squad needs a rebuild even though poch pointed out the current sqaud were at the end of a cycle and so did mourinho.
 

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Its still not over isnt it. It looking less likely but the discussions are going on.
 

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Again, not like for like. Alonso was good going forward, but Reguillon is a better player. Spurs have some talent in the team with him, Ndombele, Kane, Son and I can imagine Doherty doing far better in that role too.

It was a good Chelsea team, but it wasn’t a great one. If you take Hazard, Costa and Kante out of it, it’s just OK. And again, he won the title with that team instantly.

His mandate at Spurs wouldn’t be the title.

If his team at Spurs was…

Lloris
Sanchez
Top CB
Dier
Doherty
Top CM
Ndombele
Reguillon
Bale
Kane
Son

I am just saying that I would fancy him to challenge for top 4 instantly. He is a great coach and the more he is allowed to add, the more dangerous he will make Spurs.
Based on the latest news all seems a little academic

One of the major differences between then and now is that all the supposed big 5/6 were in the doldrums or transition as some would say.

Sours squad is wafer thin and I am far from convinced that players like say Dier has the discipline or indeed the skill set particularly positional wise to adapt to Contes demands.

Add to that Bale isn’t going to be there so already the first pick 11 with a three needed to fit Contes preferred style is already struggling

As I say all a bit academic
 

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Its still not over isnt it. It looking less likely but the discussions are going on.
Tottenham publically stated they've pulled out of the deal, so safe to say it's over. Clearly wanted a promise of investment that they just can't match, probably knows Kane is off too.
 

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Tottenham publically stated they've pulled out of the deal, so safe to say it's over. Clearly wanted a promise of investment that they just can't match, probably knows Kane is off too.
Did you state it officially?

Maybe the obvious trick played by levy before season ticket sales?
 

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Did you state it officially?

Maybe the obvious trick played by levy before season ticket sales?
They clearly did aim for him but Conte isn't a manager that accepts half measures. He obviously wasn't happy with what was being offered so declined.
 
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Two paras from the times article on Conte:

Conte, 51, had reservations about the club’s vision and strategy to rebuild the squad when set against the money that would be available to the two clubs from Manchester, Liverpool and Chelsea, the four of whom are in the Champions League next season.

He also felt the Tottenham players are inferior in technical ability to those sides and was worried about the strength of Harry Kane’s desire to leave. Conte’s position is that he always wants a chance of winning a trophy if he is to take charge of a club. He has won five titles since 2012 with Juventus, Chelsea and, this season, Inter Milan.
 

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They clearly did aim for him but Conte isn't a manager that accepts half measures. He obviously wasn't happy with what was being offered so declined.
I searched for Spurs statement, couldn't find it.

You have link for that?

Edit: nvm, got it.
 

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Like Arsenal, that stadium is a millstone around their necks. Vanity project.
 

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Arsenal need to use this opportunity to sign him. They'd be fools to prefer Arteta over a proven winning coach like Conte.

Had Spurs gotten this, it would've been a massive coup.
 

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I searched for Spurs statement, couldn't find it.

You have link for that?
You think Spurs are going to publicly state that they lack the ambition to get a coach like Conte and are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to player transfers?
 

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Spurs are in deep shit arent they?

What brought on this decline though? With us and Arsenal it was pretty easy to determine. Two long serving manager legends signed off, but what happened with Spurs?

The decline predated Poch leaving so it cant be just that. So what is it?
AVB made some good signings like Eriksen, Lloris, Vertonghen for very low fees. Son and Alderweireld were added under Poch early on with Kane coming through at the same time.

It's very hard to replicate that bunch of signings, let alone for the low fees and is a major part of how they managed to stay up there. I wonder if Son and Alder were already Spurs targets thanks to AVB. AVB spotted KDB as well. Lucas was a rare more recent good signing. Once the juice runs out on those great buys from the early to mid 2010s they've been unable to find the bargains and paid a huge amount for a few so far average players after not buying for a while. They couldn't sustain it in a more expensive market.

The stadium and pandemic afterwards doesn't help but they had lightning strike in a bottle to be in this fortunate position during the EPL TV money boom hence how they even became an ESL founder.

Will be interesting to see if they can bounce back
 
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It was relayed through a brief, check Matt Laws tweet.
Yeah got it. I checked Spurs twitter account instead of just googling it.

Looks like it's off for sure and tbh it looked like face saving exercise as Conte was rejecting them.
 

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If he declines Spurs offer, why would he choose Arsenal?
Arsenal can surely have a larger budget than Spurs can, and afford to bring in the number of staff he wants. In any case, when a manager of his calibre is available, you throw the money at him.

He might throw his toys after a few seasons, like he did with Juve, Chelsea and Inter, but he'll surely elevate Arsenal during those few seasons and put them in a better position.
 

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What about Maurizio Sarri? Paratici was the guy who hired him at Juventus after all..
I think he's just joined Lazio.

Why don’t Spurs go for that Ajax manager?

Conte would obviously be better but still if it doesn’t work out maybe the Ajax one won’t be bad.

However if the Ajax manager fails at Spurs then I don’t necessarily see him doing well in the future.
Signed a new contract at Ajax a couple of weeks ago.
 

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Reckon he's holding out for PSG or Utd in case Ole has a Lampard esque meltdown
 

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Whatever happened to Benitez? Could be worth a shout for Spurs.
 

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First of all, lets be real. This is Spurs we are talking about, so when we talk about 'what has gone wrong' we need to remember this is a club that hasn't won the league since the days of black and white tv.

As for what is happening to them, it is that they're just at the end of a cycle. From around 2010 they started to build a good team and had a number of good Summers that followed this. Furthermore, this period, particularly 2012-2017 dovetailed with Arsenal accelerating their decline to make them the top North London club which made them look better than they were (as they didn't actually win anything.)

However, whilst they were good from 2010-19 the reality is that they only had about three good Summers in that period and were lucky to get a top quality CF come through the academy. This meant that once the core of the team started aging out, they would be in trouble as their recruitment success was owing to serendipity morr than an actual well thought out process and they were never a club with the resources to spend their way out a a couple of bad windows.

Essentially, Spurs are going back to their historical level.