Coronavirus Draft - R1 - Isotope vs DVG7

With players at their career peak, who would win?


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...........................................................ISOTOPE..................................................................................................................DVG7...................................................




TEAM ISOTOPE

The team tactic is counter attack, with the three centre-backs protected the half-spaces with their tight shape, flanked by their GOAT wing-backs.

The team will sit deep and press high, letting the opponent come into our half, denying them space and closing them down when they inevitably go for a long-range effort. The wing-back’s pace was used as an outlet to help the Team’s counter. In Breitner and Matthaus, we have two players who can carry the ball forward if needed, or getting the ball from centerback and pass the ball forward to attack with high speed. These two are also capable of closing the half space in front of the defence.

Having insane stamina in Matthaus, Breitner, Facchetti, and Kaltz allows them to dominate defense, midfield and attack.

The two pacey forwards will pin down opponent’s defense, thus creating gap and space for one of the best classical no. 10 to operate between the line. With Eto’o can operate to the right, and Laudrup tendency to the left will provide width if needed to create 3 in attacks. Breitner or Matthaus will burst forward to space left by Laudrup, as both are great goalscorer also.

Enough said about Law, a complete forward who can score and create.


TEAM DVG7

SQUAD INTRO

The most predictable line-up in draft history? Yes
One of the easiest line-ups to imagine how well they would fit together? Yes

I like isotopes players a lot but if you throw these players together at their peak, you have one side who know exactly what to do in order to function together from the moment the whistle goes, and another who will have a fair amount of players playing in a set-up that wont necessarily get the best out of them as indviduals.

The total sum of my attack is arguably greater than that of the Barcelona 08-12 team.
The midfield IS the Barcelona 08-12 team
The defence is BETTER than the Barcelona 08-12 team
The goalkeeper is the best south american goalkeeper of the 20th century

The Barcelona 08-12 team is recognized as one of the best in football history, and this squad of players can arguably play it better. With Guardiola as a sub/coach on the sidelines, they even have the perfect cheerleader.

Also delighted to put Amadeo Carrizo into this team, think he's the perfect fit given the way he revolutionized the position.

This is TTT, Total Tiki-Taka :drool:

THE INFLUENCE OF CRUYFF

Whereas Messi would drift to the right more often due to Dani Alves, Cruyff will likely form a great understanding with the advancing Marcelo, though he also his good friend Wim on the right too. The full backs are perfect for a false 9 Cruyff. I don't think I need to explain how well he would link up with that midfield 3, if you cant picture that then frankly you're in the wrong forum. Rensenbrink and Robben on the wings and cutting inside when required based on Cruyffs positioning is ideal, and without any ultra pressers in Isotopes team, I think the total football/tiki taka mix is going to run them ragged all game.

Isotopes team

No wingers for me to worry about, like last game against him. His attack is hard to picture working together, so I don't think the combination of Godin and Ferdinand will be exposed at all. Istope will likely be loading the middle of the park and I think his group of players simply won't be able to cope with the ball retention abilities of my squad. Also worth noting that whilst he has one of the games greatest ever full backs, Facchetti never played against a player like Robben, right wingers used to try and go past left backs on the outside, and Robben is one of the most unstoppable players ever cutting in on his left. That should be a tasty battle.
 

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Wonderful team @DVG7 , only significant upgrade you could make imo is at RB, but I appreciate this is a R1 team.

@Isotope has also drafted brilliantly, tough matchup for both.
 

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@DVG7 was "lucky" enough to get an opposition with probably the toughest midfield out of all 16 competitors. I may be forgetting someone, but Breitner & Matthäus as an engine room and a creative spark in Laudrup is something that would be very useful against the seemingly unbeatable midget unit. Lovely 5-3-2 by @Isotope, some brilliant picks all over the pitch.

I expected the first round to be easy for DVG7, but it doesn't look like it.
 

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@DVG7 was "lucky" enough to get an opposition with probably the toughest midfield out of all 16 competitors. I may be forgetting someone, but Breitner & Matthäus as an engine room and a creative spark in Laudrup is something that would be very useful against the seemingly unbeatable midget unit. Lovely 5-3-2 by @Isotope, some brilliant picks all over the pitch.

I expected the first round to be easy for DVG7, but it doesn't look like it.
Even Law and Etoo with the work rate. Absolute kryptonite of a team.

But taking nothing away from DVG's team. That has to be one of the best R1 teams built ever. I am sure Cruyff with Xavi will spark a debate as usual, but prima facie, it looks equally spectacular.
 

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The more I look at it, the more I think Isotope might actually win this one. It's kind of setup perfectly to counter the opposition and the tactics are spot on as well.
 

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@GodShaveTheQueen so much for this seeding system :lol:

Neither team deserve to go out really.
 

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@GodShaveTheQueen so much for this seeding system :lol:

Neither team deserve to go out really.
Blame all of yourselves for not seeding one of them. I am only the calculator :wenger:

The reason is understandable though. One of the squads looks mediocre compared to others but when you put it together, looks an absolute juggernaut.
 

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Just had a look at my list. I had DVG7 first and Isotope last, and here I am voting for Isotope against DVG7. :lol:
I'm almost the same — DVG second best, Isotope second from the bottom :lol:
 

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Still think isotopes team requires too much thought to see it working. I had a choice whether to go for Santamaria or Godin and picked Diego mostly because I know him better, but he managed to place one spot above his counterpart in the Redcafe stopper list (a list that thuram was not featured on, interestingly, given he’s playing as a RCB here in a back 5). Also notice the caf preference for rio (10th) over schulz (19th) as a ball playing CB.

In his write up isotope talks about the stamina of his midfield, which is a bit of a weird one because laudrup was pretty lazy at the best of times, and my midfield 3 are pretty much known as one of the most energetic midfields of all time. Add cruyff into the mix and his lot will be chasing the ball all game far beyond what their stamina allows.
 

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Also not sure about Eto’o in this role, was never really part of a front 2 (certainly not at his peak) and Mourinhos deployment of him with inter took a lot away from him. This is an unfamiliar role for him here, can’t see him having much effect on the game and is probably the weakest player on the field all things considered.
 

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Blame all of yourselves for not seeding one of them. I am only the calculator :wenger:

The reason is understandable though. One of the squads looks mediocre compared to others but when you put it together, looks an absolute juggernaut.
it doesn’t look that mediocre to be fair, the best all round left back ever, the best box to box midfielder ever, one of the holy trinity and one of my personal favourite number 10s ever.

I like the players a lot, they just don’t fit into the system as well as mine. If we were judging this draft on tactical fit, it wouldn’t be a contest.
 

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Wonderful team @DVG7 , only significant upgrade you could make imo is at RB, but I appreciate this is a R1 team.

@Isotope has also drafted brilliantly, tough matchup for both.
I thought Maicon would have been a good fit but short of Dani Alves being available, suurbier is one of the best fits for the overall theme. Was considering giving cosmin contra his draft debut too:lol:
 

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How the hell Iso's team ended up as unseeded is beyond me! :lol:

had him 6th and DVG even higher.

Not sure what to make of this game. Very tough to decide.

To me 2 of the best teams of the first round easily.

That Iso core is fantastic as well as DVG's basically whole team.

The weakest part in DVG team is his two full backs. In 5-3-2 however that advantage is not really exploited with only the full backs creating the width. On the other hand Eto'o and Laudrup can drift wide and create problems for the opposition defence.

Will wait for both managers to comment before deciding on it.
 

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I thought Maicon would have been a good fit but short of Dani Alves being available, suurbier is one of the best fits for the overall theme. Was considering giving cosmin contra his draft debut too:lol:
Suurbier is really shit defensively otherwise fits your team nicely. Agreed with 2mufc0 that it's the only significant upgrade along with the keeper.
 

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Suurbier is really shit defensively otherwise fits your team nicely. Agreed with 2mufc0 that it's the only significant upgrade along with the keeper.
I wanted a keeper good with his feet and offering personality. Carrizo fits this perfectly. Also considered Ter Stegen.

suurbiers defensive frailties should be too exposed here, as good as facchetti is. If isotope also had a pacey skillful left sided attacker too I’d be more concerned.
 

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How the hell Iso's team ended up as unseeded is beyond me! :lol:

had him 6th and DVG even higher.

Not sure what to make of this game. Very tough to decide.

To me 2 of the best teams of the first round easily.

That Iso core is fantastic as well as DVG's basically whole team.

The weakest part in DVG team is his two full backs. In 5-3-2 however that advantage is not really exploited with only the full backs creating the width. On the other hand Eto'o and Laudrup can drift wide and create problems for the opposition defence.

Will wait for both managers to comment before deciding on it.
think you might be underrating Marcelo here, obviously facchetti is the pick of the full backs but as far as offensive output goes here, Marcelo up against kaltz is a no brainer. The guy was the best left back in the world for 2/3 years for a team doing a champions league 3peat, history will remember him exceptionally well.
 

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Agreed with 2mufc0 that it's the only significant upgrade along with the keeper.
I think Carrizo is a good fit for his system (on paper at least). He needs a sweeper keeper here for his system to work and Carrizo is officially the first of that kind. Keepers are really hard to judge with the limited footage, but if you go by what we have, he does fit here. I'll bet you Neuer was DVG7's main target though.
 

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I think Carrizo is a good fit for his system (on paper at least). He needs a sweeper keeper here for his system to work and Carrizo is officially the first of that kind. Keepers are really hard to judge with the limited footage, but if you go by what we have, he does fit here. I'll bet you Neuer was DVG7's main target though.
correct, he was! Ter Stegen and chilavert were considered too.
 

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Any excuse to post this.


In a game that’s tight, you find someone to win you the match.The player most equipped to do this is cruyff, no question.
 

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Once Robben cuts inside (which he will do again and again, as we know) he’s up against Santamaria. How are we rating him these days on the caf? I’ve noticed @harms @Gio and @Moby all be somewhat critical of him/don’t rate him very high, and given the dynamism of the front 3, I can see him being liable for at least one goal from my team. Don’t think he fits into this system at all, he’s also a right footer playing LCB which Mr Van Gaal will tell you is a big no no.
 

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To clarify I felt Santamaria was slightly over-rated in internet circles - where he's often regarded amongst the top 2-3 South American defenders of all time - based on the footage I've seen. He's still an impressive defender who shone in both continents and in different systems, and fended well for himself leading and organising an exposed back line in Real's gung-ho 1950s team. Looks a decent fit here, not so much if Robben is running at him, but reading Cruyff's movement. Probably going against the grain here, but personally I'd place Santamaria in the centre of the three where he played for club and country, and move the more powerful and dynamic Schulz to the LCB role to better match up to Robben.
 

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Think isotopes strength is his midfield, but when we stack it against the success of mine;

19 major tournament medals won (World Cup, european cup, champions league) for mine

5 major tournament medals won for Isotopes.


my guys won each and every one of those medals together... Do we really have a contest over who has the better midfield? Feel like we might be downplaying just how good Xavi Iniesta and Busquets were together.
 

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Iso has a really well crafted setup although maybe Breitner should be RCM. Also I'm not sure how well Santamaria would be at LCB although a deep 5 man defence should cover that unless he goes all Eric Bailly there.

As for DVG, there is a lot to like but I'm not sure if it works. I'm guessing it is a high line so not sure how well Godin works there. Also Cruyff would seem to want to be a lot more direct than Xaviesta would want to play. Finally peak 2011 Barca had a relatively more defensive LB to provide balance to the system whereas you have Marcelo. Eto'o exploiting the space in behind him could be a real headache.
 

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As for your now non-existing comment on Kaltz — I reckon he's more underrated than he is overrated.

Some interesting All-Time XI's from different footballers and pundits:

Mark Lawrenson once again but for a World All-time XI this time ('focus on') :
Banks - Kaltz, Moore, Beckenbauer, Breitner - Charlton, Brady - Best, Cruyff, Pelé, Maradona.

Ray Kennedy
Banks, Kaltz, Beckenbauer, Moore, Breitner, Peters, Charlton, Brady, Best, Dalglish, Pelé.

Alan Curtis (Swansea)
Banks - Kaltz, Beckenbauer, J.Charles, J. Charlton - Maradona, Gerson - Best, Pelé, Müller, Cruijff.

Alan Brazil (Tottenham)
Zoff - Kaltz, Beattie, Hunter, McGrain - Maradona, Cruyff, Zico - Pelé, Best, Dalglish.

Paul Walsh (Luton Town)
Banks - Kaltz, Beckenbauer, Moore, Breitner, Best, Zico, Rivelino, Jairzinho, Pelé, Maradona.

Kenny Hibbitt (Wolves)
Banks - Kaltz, Beckenbauer, Krol, Wilson - Ball, Charlton, Maradona - Best, Pelé, Eusébio. Childhood's hero: Di Stéfano.

Simon Stainrod (QPR)
Banks - Kaltz, Moore, Beckenbauer, Breitner, Zico, Gerson, Best, Law, Pelé, Kempes. Sub.: Maradona.

Kevin O'Callaghan (Ipswich)
Banks - Kaltz, Beckenbauer, Moore, Cooper - Giles, Maradona, Cruyff, Pelé, Rummenigge, Best.


In that same "Kicker" special they listed the number of times the selected players were featured in the weekly "team of the day" selection which "Kicker" presents each Monday after weekend league action. The following players featured most often in the "team of the day" (note how highly-placed unsung Bernard Dietz is!):

142 Beckenbauer
113 Vogts
81 Kaltz
78 Matthäus
72 Netzer
70 Dietz
70 K.H.Rummenigge
68 G.Müller
64 Breitner
64 A.Möller
63 Ribéry
62 Kohler
62 Effenberg
55 Höttges
54 Overath
53 Heynckes
51 Hässler
50 Thon
50 K.Allofs
50 Lahm
 

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As for your now non-existing comment on Kaltz — I reckon he's more underrated than he is overrated.

Some interesting All-Time XI's from different footballers and pundits:

Mark Lawrenson once again but for a World All-time XI this time ('focus on') :
Banks - Kaltz, Moore, Beckenbauer, Breitner - Charlton, Brady - Best, Cruyff, Pelé, Maradona.

Ray Kennedy
Banks, Kaltz, Beckenbauer, Moore, Breitner, Peters, Charlton, Brady, Best, Dalglish, Pelé.

Alan Curtis (Swansea)
Banks - Kaltz, Beckenbauer, J.Charles, J. Charlton - Maradona, Gerson - Best, Pelé, Müller, Cruijff.

Alan Brazil (Tottenham)
Zoff - Kaltz, Beattie, Hunter, McGrain - Maradona, Cruyff, Zico - Pelé, Best, Dalglish.

Paul Walsh (Luton Town)
Banks - Kaltz, Beckenbauer, Moore, Breitner, Best, Zico, Rivelino, Jairzinho, Pelé, Maradona.

Kenny Hibbitt (Wolves)
Banks - Kaltz, Beckenbauer, Krol, Wilson - Ball, Charlton, Maradona - Best, Pelé, Eusébio. Childhood's hero: Di Stéfano.

Simon Stainrod (QPR)
Banks - Kaltz, Moore, Beckenbauer, Breitner, Zico, Gerson, Best, Law, Pelé, Kempes. Sub.: Maradona.

Kevin O'Callaghan (Ipswich)
Banks - Kaltz, Beckenbauer, Moore, Cooper - Giles, Maradona, Cruyff, Pelé, Rummenigge, Best.
I realized I was probably not right to bring attention on it, he’s obviously brilliant it was more just gonna be in relation to isotopes comment calling him GOAT. I hadn’t finished typing, and forgot to delete the comment from the start of another post I was quoting.

not sure why you felt the need to use your mod powers of seeing deleted posts and using them against me? Glad to get the opinion of Simon Stainrod though so cheers.
 

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I too had DVG7 at the top of my list, but the tactical match up here makes it a lot closer than you'd expect.

Matthaus and Breitner have got the skill and work rate to help limit that midfield.

Think its going to be a tight one and would like to see how both teams argue this one out.

@DVG7 how do you plan to compensate for Godin playing in a high line?

@Isotope do you think Laudrup can disrupt Busquets?
 

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How are we rating him these days on the caf? I’ve noticed @harms @Gio and @Moby all be somewhat critical of him/don’t rate him very high, and given the dynamism of the front 3, I can see him being liable for at least one goal from my team.
Depends on his partners, really. He's really good at the classic stopper stuff — clearing the ball and sniffing the danger out early; but from what I've seen he was sometime prone (like most aggressive defenders) to miscalculating the situation and leaving a huge gap behind. To be fair to him, it was impossible to be a flawless defender in the 50's, where you were simply outnumbered and every mistake you made directly lead to a goalscoring situation. With Facchetti & Schulz on either side of him, I think he can showcase his strengths more and his weaknesses would be appropriately covered.
 

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I realized I was probably not right to bring attention on it, he’s obviously brilliant it was more just gonna be in relation to isotopes comment calling him GOAT. I hadn’t finished typing, and forgot to delete the comment from the start of another post I was quoting.

not sure why you felt the need to use your mod powers of seeing deleted posts and using them against me? Glad to get the opinion of Simon Stainrod though so cheers.
I saw it as I had just refreshed the thread and when I came back I didn't want all of my research to be for nothing :lol:
It's more of a general observation and definitely not an attack on you, I think that Kaltz should be getting a bit more love than he gets now.
 

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I too had DVG7 at the top of my list, but the tactical match up here makes it a lot closer than you'd expect.

Matthaus and Breitner have got the skill and work rate to help limit that midfield.

Think its going to be a tight one and would like to see how both teams argue this one out.

@DVG7 how do you plan to compensate for Godin playing in a high line?

@Isotope do you think Laudrup can disrupt Busquets?
I think the way the game would play out naturally would mean that godin doesn’t have to overthink things beyond staying close to eto’o. The difference between a Barcelona defensive line and an Atletico one when in possession isn’t all that different, and I think given the numbers in midfield and my attackers ability to cut inside and link up means that possession would be in my favour maybe 65/35. absolute peak Godin was just excellent at snuffing out danger, and he won’t be overloaded at any point in this game so he should be able to focus on his primary task of dealing with eto’o.

and if you need any proof that godin can play in such a technically beautiful and fun to watch side;

 

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I saw it as I had just refreshed the thread and when I came back I didn't want all of my research to be for nothing :lol:
It's more of a general observation and definitely not an attack on you, I think that Kaltz should be getting a bit more love than he gets now.
fair enough but you could easily have brought up kaltz without mentioning my post :)
 

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Matthaus and Breitner do not have enough energy between them to stop my midfield 3, let alone with cruyff dropping in to link up play. Some of the best midfield 3s of this century couldn’t get near them, so I’m not having those two plus laudrup (who never pressed and was not good defensively at all) being able to disrupt the most successful midfield of all time.
 

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Honestly don't know who to vote for. If I had put the 0.5 vote options, this game would have only had those.

I tend to vote for the manager with better posts in such close games, so probably will come down to that.

Few thoughts:

1. Thuram is such a great asset here against that terrific left side of DVG
2. Will Isotope's fullbacks have enough opportunities to contribute in the attack against those double manned wings?
3. How good was Breitner's workrate?
4. Is Busquets good enough to handle Laudrup?
5. Can Cruyff play the patience game considering the tactics indicate this is total tiki taka?

I am currently leaning slightly towards Isotope tactically and slightly towards DVG7 for my love for full fledged attacks and match thread onslaughts.

Will vote tomorrow. Shame if either goes out.