As always? Might give up then.
Could the Leicester result be a critical turning point or a false dawn?
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Agreed. The real world is not a drama full of false dawns and turning points. Or ratjer, it is full of dawns (364 a year) that will all be ‘false’ if you expect the sun not to set at night (except in Norway).
‘Turning points’ are genereally found a couple of years after the fact, and is just a point in memory normally set at somewhere berween a period of general decline and a period of general progress. But these general developments normally happens over a few years of ups and downs.
By itself it is as you say just another game. We will not get extra points from it or be given an extra game for winning it, but that is not the point. Games can become turning points. It is often said that United's 1-0 against Nottingham Forest in the third round of the FA Cup in 1990 became a turning point for Manchester United and saved Fergie's job. That season United went on to win the FA Cup and thereafter embarked on a glittering 25 years of sustained an unimaginable success.
Why does a casual 1-0 have to be either. It's just a standard result.
If the false dawn consists of claiming 6th and laying rest to the idea we’ll be overtaken by Leicester and Everton....the yes, it might be 
I'm not sure how this match could be considered a turning point
We were really poor in the game and simply defended well.
I could understand this thread if we'd put in a decent performance but we learned nothing.
Our defence doesn't concede many chances (we had no individual errors admittedly but I wasnt judging Lindelof on those)
Our midfield is still limited and all about hard work. Still no creativity and Leicester controlled the game
we didnt break particularly well and Rashford was isolated most of the game
think this might be a pattern until we add some quality to midfield and attack
We were really poor in the game and simply defended well.
I could understand this thread if we'd put in a decent performance but we learned nothing.
Our defence doesn't concede many chances (we had no individual errors admittedly but I wasnt judging Lindelof on those)
Our midfield is still limited and all about hard work. Still no creativity and Leicester controlled the game
we didnt break particularly well and Rashford was isolated most of the game
think this might be a pattern until we add some quality to midfield and attack
We won the game... that's it... on another day it could have easily been 1-1 and nobody could have complained. We need to create more chances and pick teams apart- but we don't have the personnel for that
It's not a turning point or a false dawn. This season all our games have been similar in that we've been solid defensively and restricted the opposition while occasionally found it hard to break the opposition down. Some games we created enough but failed to score, some games we didn't create enough. Not a surprise that without Martial and Pogba that this would be a game that we don't create much.
Yeah mate. You're reading way too much into this
Yes we have definitely turned a corner. And we continue to go around in circles.
Agree with this. Add a couple of top Midfielders and a Forward and we will be ready to challenge.
Why does every result have to be a turning point or a false dawn?
Why can’t it just be a football result that happened amongst the millions of football results that have happened/will happen?
People are desperate to find patterns and assign meaning to everything. Don’t bother, we’re not that good, we’ll probably come 6th. Mainly because we have the 6th best set of players
Why can’t it just be a football result that happened amongst the millions of football results that have happened/will happen?
People are desperate to find patterns and assign meaning to everything. Don’t bother, we’re not that good, we’ll probably come 6th. Mainly because we have the 6th best set of players
Jesus Christ, this has to be a parody thread 
The OP makes sense when you keep in mind that a part of the fan base believes that we are terrible with inferior players to most PL clubs and that Leicester or Wolves are far better. So logically beating Leicester is supposed to be a massive result, of course it's not because Leicester aren't a better team and they don't have better players, even when we are without Pogba, Martial and Shaw.
Neither. It's obviously not a turning point, but for something to be a false dawn there has to be optimism, which there isn't.
We're a upper level midtable team. We'll get results here and there against good sides, but we'll go into big games as heavy underdogs. Imagine saying that ten years ago ffs.
We're a upper level midtable team. We'll get results here and there against good sides, but we'll go into big games as heavy underdogs. Imagine saying that ten years ago ffs.
Not a turning point but a big help in our quest for top 6 .
We've had more turning points over the last few seasons than Theresa May's had u-turns.
That made me laugh.
Yes but regardless of whether they are a better team or not, one football match means very little in the context of the long-term revival (or not) of Manchester Utd
For fans humble and realistic enough to admit that we are a 4th—6th team right now, it’s a great result. I’m very happy as it shows we can beat teams of similar strength.
We have to be patient with incremental progress and celebrate it when it happens. won’t happen across our fan base as many are still flippant about Mourinho’s achievement of coming 2nd.
We have to be patient with incremental progress and celebrate it when it happens. won’t happen across our fan base as many are still flippant about Mourinho’s achievement of coming 2nd.
Put it this way: the way Leicester played yesterday was about the standard of a 15th placed Premier League team, so somehow fumbling past us 1-0 is not something to write home about.
think you need to walk a bit slower, pal.
We didn't play well but you played like 15th placed team because we made you to look like one.
Let's not do this.... Reminds me of my "turning the corner" thread. Let's just see how it goes
Who is gonna start the 'Why does every result have to have a dramatic meaning all the time?' thread?
The turning point was preseason. This Manchester United team has had a new identity since the Summer. It's still a work in progress, but foundations were laid back then.
The Leicester performance was professional and solid. That's what Ole is trying to instil. It'll gradually get better over the season, so I wouldn't call it a turning point per se.
The Leicester performance was professional and solid. That's what Ole is trying to instil. It'll gradually get better over the season, so I wouldn't call it a turning point per se.
Yes. Or neither.
This squad has neither midfield nor forward line. We won't be able to turn things around with such glaring weaknesses
Problem is OGS doesn't have a good midfield to adopt a more creative style, so he resorted to being a shit José Mourinho.
Narrow wins, lots of draws and bitter losses is what we're gonna look at all season long, unless the January window is very good (and I don't think it will be).
Neither. Just a typical average match where we could have easily lost it on the other day.
Can we stop with these turning points? There's no such thing.
People just forgotten how we dominated in the first half and said Leicester dominated the whole game.
I don't understand, Maddison having a mare vs McT, Chillwell looking like a championship level player, Vardy non existent, Tielemens looked like a waste of money and Soyuncu exposed like poor man's Puyol.
Alrighty then.
I don't understand, Maddison having a mare vs McT, Chillwell looking like a championship level player, Vardy non existent, Tielemens looked like a waste of money and Soyuncu exposed like poor man's Puyol.
Alrighty then.
This would literally be our 789th turning point since Sir Alex stepped down, lets ave it!
No, must have been off day for GOAT team
The arrogance of these Leicester fans that joined over the summer is something else!No, must have been off day for GOAT team
Could the Leicester result be a critical turning point or a false dawn?
Yes.
Yes.
This. Came here to say this, wouldn't have done it as eloquently.
Precisely.
Yeah. Apparently one team playing poorly has nothing to do with other team forcing them mistakes or shutting them. it's as if we are talking about peak Barca team.