Did I miss the moment where Liverpool amassed enough points to be champions mathematically? Fairness has sod all to do with this. They objectively, factually are not the champions.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Agree with this. It's all about taking off the strain on the NHS as well. If and when that is manageable, things can get reintroduced slowly, but it shouldn't be reintroduced at the risk of cases spiking up again soon after.
This video was sent in the context of my country (South Africa) but it's just as applicable to any country, including the UK, which shows how crippling this can become if we don't get ahead of the numbers and not take the lock down imposed seriously.
individual posters like this one should be called out. He still fails to understand the implications of playing football and the impact is has on resources and the need for social distancing.
the notion that professional football can be played whilst society can’t get within 2m of each other is absurd.
Liverpool fans really are a desperate species.I know right. It's baffling. And spoken with such clarity and certainty to boot.
to state that it doesn’t matter what other leagues do is utterly ridiculous.
do you really think you can have Italy and Spain on lockdown and them voiding the league and somehow the PL starts the league season again in July for 2 months.
you have to have a Europe wide transfer window, agreement on contracts that are expiring and a common approach to European competition.
again, this is an utterly insane argument to try and show horn in the end of the season, no matter what the circumstances and just ignoring everything else that going on.
and it wouldn’t even matter if Liverpool had already amassed enough points, but explaining that to a Liverpool supported with be nigh on impossible, they are a special breed - they are not champions in a league that’s not completed.
Dortmund's squad have returned to training in pairs.
Anyone got the highlights?
Anyone got the highlights?
The main fear is that a bunch of low paid workers; catering, cleaning etc. get dragged out from lockdown unnecessarily just so a bunch of entitled brats can get their trophy and the money men can get paid.
Sure, if playing a few games of football in virusville will save you your multi million dollar contract then I can see why you might personally take the risk but there might be a lot of staff involved in this not being compensated sufficiently for the risk to their health.
Sure, if playing a few games of football in virusville will save you your multi million dollar contract then I can see why you might personally take the risk but there might be a lot of staff involved in this not being compensated sufficiently for the risk to their health.
I mean, they have been alternate PL Champions going on 30 years in a row now, so there's that.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...n-training-pairs-amid-coronavirus-crisis.html
No video, but here's the link for those who are interested.
Weird decision really for me. But let's see what gives.
No because sheff utd have to play villa to make sure everyone is on the same hames played.
Germany is dealing with the outbreak much better than us, so its no wonder they're ahead of us with footballers returning to training. The level of testing is ten times more than here.
they've won the net spend cup a few times as well.
in retrospect this behaviour was completely expected from this particular fanbase.
No might about it. Clubs will tell people they need to come in, etc, those people then have to travel into work, exposing themselves and their family to the virus. You know thats all good though so the PL and club get to keep 750m quids.
Playing devils advocate....Those low paid workers might just want to work to feed their families. Sure they can get financial support but for how long. Then you get to the lower leagues and if they go bankrupt then everyone is out of a job. What about small business that support the teams...pie companies etc. Just saying its not just the players and owners that benefit from football starting up again.
Of course i heard of the Christmas truce but you didn't explain yourself properly in your initial post.
In china there are fears arising of a Second Wave of the pandemic starting. 
My prediction is that the league will eventually be cancelled after being postponed numerous times and a number of very valid technical issues being cited. The finances will be sorted behind closed doors with the TV companies agreeing to pay a large percentage of the money in order to protect the leagues future.
The FA will then indulge Liverpool with some sort of carefully named award that will signify their achievements but will not be counted as an official League title. In response Liverpool will print merchandise accordingly and go to great lengths to celebrate it. Meanwhile we will continue to laugh at them because they still haven’t won the Premier League because the Universe hates them for who they are.
The FA will then indulge Liverpool with some sort of carefully named award that will signify their achievements but will not be counted as an official League title. In response Liverpool will print merchandise accordingly and go to great lengths to celebrate it. Meanwhile we will continue to laugh at them because they still haven’t won the Premier League because the Universe hates them for who they are.
Well yes I'm sure eventually restrictions will have to be relaxed and some of us including low paid workers will be required return to work, hopefully when it is reasonable and responsible to do so. What I'm really talking about is the pressure being applied for a (too) early return by some football writers, some executives and some fans. I'm referring to the arrogant proclamations that the season "will" finish, the incessant talk of money lost, and the lame brain Virus Village ideas and clambering for behind closed doors games.
And here's the UKs Deputy Chief Medical Officer saying it could be six months.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-last-six-months-deputy-chief-medical-officer
I know she's not a doctor on a sofa with Phil and Holly but she seems to have some credentials.
We are not doing/opening anything in the next couple of month and even when we do, football/sport will not be high on anyone's priority list.
As much as I want to see football start up again, it can wait.
This virus spread like the flu or colds, maybe even more so given people spread for up to a week without even showing any symptoms. Lock-downs aren't a solution to a virus like this, we'll either end up with herd immunity or a vaccine.In china there are fears arising of a Second Wave of the pandemic starting.
Whichever comes sooner.
Either way, very likely to be curtains for football till next year.
Agree about your comments except that if you read my today's Press Gossip Thread you'll see that the FA etc are going to do anything possible (irresponsibly!) to squeeze in end of season Behind closed doors.
PL have £752m reasons to try. Players, staff, managers and all the rest will be going down with the virus at different stages in the next 9 months though so think they'll be stuffed. Other issue will be, if they kill someone by trying to rush football back they'll have much more to worry about than the money, corporate manslaughter charges possible, would destroy the reputation of the league.
The Christmas truce is one of my very favorite moments of humanity. And one of the very starch reminders that the vast majority of people want to live their lives and be friends. It's the men in command with their feelings hurt that get us into situations like the first and second world war.
I take it you get the 25% number from the 9 remaining game rounds. Sky is owned by Comcast (USA), while BT's largest shareholder is Deutche Telecom at 12%. - You can get a Sky subscription through BT fibre. That's the relationship between the two, (as far as I understand, I'm not British).
I assume that the numbers presented to the FA is not pulled out of a hat, but is rather something presented in a contractual clause in the event a substantial amount of the league is not finished. SKY and BT Sport own the TV rights until 2022, with Amazon that shows 20 games pr season from 2019-22.
I actually had a good look online and I could not find a single corporate statement, forum post or news article detailing that subscriptions are up in the UK.. because why on earth would it be? The main draw in the UK market is suspended. Sky IS sports, that's their biggest draw.
For good measure, Sky sports have made it easy for subscribers to pause (not cancel) their Sky Sports subscriptions until Sky resumes again. That is an astonishing amount of lost revenue. BT Sports have also made it possible to pause the subscription, but they put some less customer friendly. "Reports and anecdotal evidence suggest that at present BT is offering customers who ring up to cancel a month’s free BT Sport."
I think you are looking at this from a BT/Sky should carry the burden perspective. Butt hey are not going to do that. They are beholden to their shareholders and are legally obliged to not take any action that damages the share value. if they do they will face class action lawsuits faster than you can say cashgrab.
There is a way football clubs that receive TV money can make it through this on, and that is their main source of expense: Player wages. Players in the Bundeliga, Serie A and Primiera Division have already agreed to take paycuts, and I fully expect the Premier League clubs to follow suit, the sooner the better. The players can and should take the brunt of the cost here to protect the club in a show of solidarity. While I understand that that statement might seem a bit callous, let's just get a solid reminder out there that most players in the Premier League earn what you make in a year, in a single week sitting at home posting "Don't go outside" videos on Twitter. The players are the main entiety who are in power to protect the club from financial hardship.
Then you can make the argument that the owners should pay, or that Sky/BT should pay, or that the players have contracts and bla bla. But even if the players say "I will only earn £25k a week instead of £50k a week". Well, I am happy to say that I think the PL playres can somehow afford to keept he lights on and their families fed through these hard times along with the thousands that are currently laid off from their jobs
*50k was the Premier League Median weekly wage in 2017, I did not find a more recent number but obviously it has gone up with inflation.
tl;dr:
1) SKY/BT Subscriptions are NOT up. Their key customer group can't watch their product, and their buying power is down due to being laid off/reduced production in industry
2) SKY/BT custumers can suspend their subscritpions. The cost is enormous for SKY/BT and will affect their budget if prolonged
3) The players can reduce their salaries by 50%, still be rich, and save the clubs from difficulty
4) The British state needs to offer a financial stimulus package to help the lower-league clubs, compensate them in full for lost attendance and commercial revenue due to the corona outbreak.
5) SKY/BT will not simply sponsor the PL clubs so that they can pay full wages to players. They will, and should be able to be compensated for the loss of prodcut like everyone else.
6) IF they are claiming £750, theres a contract that allows them to do this
7) I AM SO BORED SITTING AT HOME, STOP GOING OUTSIDE YOU MUPPETS WHO STILL DO.
Interesting article from BBC regarding lower league sides who have sent an open letter to the Football Association, calling for it to "urgently" reconsider the decision to expunge their seasons.
Quite right. You cannot have a situation where the lowly leagues seasons is null & void but the higher league are still going to be played out. Either all the leagues are cancelled or none.
The present plans from PL are absurd. If they are the only league finishing, where do the bottom three go, as the Championship would be void & no one to go up. Not without serious legal issues anyway. What about European Competition if all the other major leagues are null & void. It would be a bit ridiculous if other countries representatives were based on previous season whilst ours had different ones relevant to this years league. I am sure there would be some sort of legal issues to this. Particularly to sides like Spurs. Also, what about Man City. They could argue if you are using the previous years leagues to put clubs in Europe then shouldn't they be part of it.
I certainly wouldn't want to be a decision maker in these troubling times.
Quite right. You cannot have a situation where the lowly leagues seasons is null & void but the higher league are still going to be played out. Either all the leagues are cancelled or none.
The present plans from PL are absurd. If they are the only league finishing, where do the bottom three go, as the Championship would be void & no one to go up. Not without serious legal issues anyway. What about European Competition if all the other major leagues are null & void. It would be a bit ridiculous if other countries representatives were based on previous season whilst ours had different ones relevant to this years league. I am sure there would be some sort of legal issues to this. Particularly to sides like Spurs. Also, what about Man City. They could argue if you are using the previous years leagues to put clubs in Europe then shouldn't they be part of it.
I certainly wouldn't want to be a decision maker in these troubling times.
Indeed!
Also didn't take long for some of them to connect Fergie and David Gill to the cause of Covid-19.
Thanks, that was a nice read. Although you should tldr your tldr section
I'm not that familiar with the structure of English football but aren't the top 4 leagues part of a separate institution/entity than the rest of them? I'd think, if they really want to finish the seasons, that this wouldn't be a hindrance - just don't relegate any teams form League Two and you're good to go. Not saying that'll happen but like I said, if they're hell bend on finishing it all, this would just be a minor annoyance imo.
I work for an engineering company constructing the 60,000 capacity stadium in Al Khor.
Nowhere near ready to hold a camp as you’re suggesting.
No. The English league system is the best in the world, & in reality a side could advance from the bottom of the pyramid to the top. Though would be playing village sides at the bottom, as well as B & C teams. The whole pyramid at least up to level 10 has promotion & relegation. They do below that, but only A sides can be promoted to that level. I don't think many in England know how lucky we are with the system we have, & there is a fear for many of these clubs. As for not relegating teams from League two. Good luck in that, when all the legal actions come flying in.
Don't think that's particularly different from a lot of other countries in Europe - in Belgium you can go from the bottom to the top as well if you're good with stadium requirements and stuff, that's only logical.
As for your last point - who'd file a legal complaint? The teams at the bottom who won't get relegated wouldn't, the other ones don't have a disadvantage, and the ones who should've been promoted but won't because their league is voided would file a complaint in any case when they want to, if they don't go up, although they probably don't have a leg to stand on.
You're seeing this as a arrogant proclamation. I see this as a statement of both hope and a stated course for normalcy. "We will do it because we can". "Because we can" obviously under the condition that it can and will be executed safely for everyone involved.
It's actually a good idea, to house all the teams and relevant staff in housing units or hotels that have exclusive access only to people with accredential to prevent accidentl visitrs who are carriers. The "entitled brats" as you so kindly label everyone who play in the top division, will be required to be away from their families and children for up to two months. Yes they earn a ton of money, but this is the market have have managed to get into. Are you saying that Harry Maguire is a spoiled brat? All he's done is tell people to be safe, look out for one another, while staying home like everyone else.
I'm not sure what pressure you are talking about regaring a "too early return". No one has said anything about playing a single game of football unless its actually safe for crowds to gather. There is however a massive difference between a football squad and support staff, than 65000 fans. in the same area, I'm sure you see the difference. At no point however, will anyone, not even the teams, play a single game unless its safe for everyone involved.
There is hope that the spread of infection can be under control when we see the end of May, and that's when the suggested "Premier League cup" can take place. If its just as bad when we see May, it's never going to happen.
The very real problem with housing the games behind closed doors that can topple the entire thing, are football fans who don't care about anything than their social fix, who will flock outside the stadiums where the games are played to have themselves great party, like we saw with the PSG - Dortmund game.
So this entire undertaking is still only a suggestion, but right now its the best suggestion to finish the league. Not finishing the league has enormous consequences for a LOT of people, everyday people, employers and even players, so the league can and will do anything within the realm of safety to see it being completed. If it can't, it can't, bu tits too early to throw in the towel when we still can't accurately predict the future, no matter how many physic octopuses are utilized.
Completely unrealistic scenario!
I find it confusing why people are calling for it to be null and void? Surely they would just declare the season as unfinished and try to start next season on time? Just have no champion or relegations. All goals and matches should still count.
Would be ridiculous if we went to Stamford Bridge next season, won 2-0 with Maguire scoring and it was declared “first win at Stanford Bridge in 8 years and first goal for Maguire at United” even more ridiculous if someone scores our 2000th premier league goal for the 2nd time.
If we can’t finish it by June/July announce it as unfinished. “Null and void” I.e. pretending that 7 months didn’t happen is fecking stupid.
Would be ridiculous if we went to Stamford Bridge next season, won 2-0 with Maguire scoring and it was declared “first win at Stanford Bridge in 8 years and first goal for Maguire at United” even more ridiculous if someone scores our 2000th premier league goal for the 2nd time.
If we can’t finish it by June/July announce it as unfinished. “Null and void” I.e. pretending that 7 months didn’t happen is fecking stupid.
there are precedents:
1939–40 | League aborted due to World War II | |
– | 1940–46 | League suspended due to World War II |
So let's call it ABORTED or SUSPENDED.
After the war they didn't continue there they had left off.
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I'd like to think/hope most fans would take it more seriously if they're told football will get resuspended should that happen, although that said fans of clubs who benefit from a void may do it on purpose.
If games end up at neutral venue's i wonder if there's a way to possibly keep the location under wraps till close to kick off, ie if Chelsea vs City were allocated Villa Park then there won't be enough time for fans (atleast the core local ones) to make their way there if they find that out just before k/o.
You could apply that argument to health care workers & all the thousands of others who are still working for a pittance fearful of losing their job if they don't turn up for work so the fat-cat shareholders get their money. Mike Ashley for one wouldn't have a problem risking the lives of his employees so long as the money keeps rolling in. There's plenty of others out there just like him. The chances of footballers, ground-staff, journalists, tv crew, etc contracting the disease whilst playing BCD would be minimal in comparison to the millions of people still out there working in the hospitals, shops, factories, care-homes etc.
Wow.
I think you missed the keyword in Dumbos post - unncessarily. At least I really hope you missed it.
Health care workers are not unnecessarily working at the minute. They are literally the defintion of necissity at this point in time.
Healthcare workers amongst others have been deemed essential workers, and for very obvious reasons. I feel for them and as a society we are indebted to them. Hopefully on the otherside of this thing we can take that gratitude and reward them properly, in a way that we haven't done in decades.
If you are likening Liverpool fans and football writers who are champing at the bit to get things going again with scant regard for public safety, to Mike Ashley then I agree with you. His behaviour in keeping his business running, and valuing personal gain over public health was despicable. Hopefully the fans have the self awareness to realise this soon and we can knock some of these fecking idiotic ideas on the head.
Yeah hoping fans would be sensible is probably not the answer.
Right now I think the only answer would be in the testing, but I am not sure how good the tests are, and should we be taking up 10000 testing kits just to ensure football finishes quickly? The testing kits may well come to the rescue, but its an awfully big health risk still, and whether big corps like football clubs would want to potentially risk corporate manslaughter or even just the bad publicity generated by causing the death or hospitilisation of someone, I'm not sure thats the answer yet. Maybe back end of July with the use of testing kits we could see some behind closed doors football, I think that is distinctly more likely than before.