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Another interesting question: when you 'null & void' the season, do the matches still count as played?
Let's say a player has a bonus in his contract that says he get's paid 1,000,000 GBP after 30 matches played. Technically the season never happened right? So no bonus?
I’d imagine personal bonus’ and players goal tally’s + assists would stand. Imagine if Rashford retires and he was only 19 goals short of being our all time top scorer. It would be heartless to rob him of that... robbing Liverpool of a title is a completely different issue :wenger:
 

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If They give it to Liverpool, They need to come up with a reasonable and fair result for the rest of the team too, particularly the ones fighting for CL spot and avoid relegation. Which means no solution. The most fair is to stop it due to pandemic (nobody can blame them as it involves people's health and lives) and start next season as usual, with every team starting with 0 point. If Liverpool are good and worthy of it,They'll win it next year anyway. No rewards for all, this is an emergency situation.
Agree with this but then, assuming the European competitions are also voided it would be logical for the same clubs who occupied the top 4 positions at the end of 2018/19 to be entered automatically back into the CL and if City get banned then the team that finished 5th in 2018/19 which was Arsenal should take their place. Would mean us being in the Europa again.

Dont know how voiding the season would sit with teams like Leeds and others in the lower divisions vying for promotion although I suppose they could be granted some sort of financial compensation.

Whatever the powers that be decide they will be damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
 

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And then Liverpool, who have played the first 11 all year, run them into the ground, look knackered, on a losing streak get to have a nice 6 months rest and start again refreshed.

I don’t think so
Well yes, and as much as that would suck, legally it wouldn't matter. There is no option where all parties win.
 

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And then Liverpool, who have played the first 11 all year, run them into the ground, look knackered, on a losing streak get to have a nice 6 months rest and start again refreshed.

I don’t think so
Obviously no one has a perfect solution, but managing to finish the season retrospectively is the best case. Everyone gets a rest, but loses match fitness. Pretty much as even a playing field as you can get in the circumstances.
 

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Obviously no one has a perfect solution, but managing to finish the season retrospectively is the best case. Everyone gets a rest, but loses match fitness. Pretty much as even a playing field as you can get in the circumstances.
What about loan contracts expiring? New player being brought in?

The league can’t just resume 6 months down the line
 

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Agree with this but then, assuming the European competitions are also voided it would be logical for the same clubs who occupied the top 4 positions at the end of 2018/19 to be entered automatically back into the CL and if City get banned then the team that finished 5th in 2018/19 which was Arsenal should take their place. Would mean us being in the Europa again.

Dont know how voiding the season would sit with teams like Leeds and others in the lower divisions vying for promotion although I suppose they could be granted some sort of financial compensation.

Whatever the powers that be decide they will be damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
The CL actually starts on the 23rd June.

There isn't a hope of European football next season without kicking out a load of the smaller teams. UEFA will probably do it and buy them off. Even 500k would be a fortune to the smaller teams.

But then the bigger teams starts their qualifiers in mid July.

What then if the virus is still a problem?
 
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I don't understand the null and void solution and how that is any better than finishing the league in the current standings.

How does that help deciding who plays in the UCL, Europa, relegation etc? Essentially that's more unfair on the teams below who were in the promotion places that they won't be able to be promoted next season.
 
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So, if you got to choose:
Let the current table stand, giving Liverpool the title and us a CL-spot
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Let 18/19 rule: No Liverpool title, but no CL for us.

For me easy: CL and Liverpool title. And let's be honest, they totally deserve it.
 

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I don't understand the null and void solution and how that is any better than finishing the league in the current standings.

How does that help deciding who plays in the UCL, Europa, relegation etc? Essentially that's more unfair on the teams below who were in the promotion places that they won't be able to be promoted next season.
Because it would just as unfair on those teams who are just a few points behind those places? There are still nine or ten matches to go to acquire those points.

So, if you got to choose:
Let the current table stand, giving Liverpool the title and us a CL-spot
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Let 18/19 rule: No Liverpool title, but no CL for us.

For me easy: CL and Liverpool title. And let's be honest, they totally deserve it.
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Because it would just as unfair on those teams who are just a few points behind those places? There are still nine or ten matches to go to acquire those points.



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Because you had 29 games to get into a position, those teams were the better over 29 games so they deserve to get their reward if the season isn't completed.

It's insane to just wipe away almost one whole season of effort from all those teams and tell them to start over again, with different players because of contracts, loans etc. It's not as if we are in the first half of the season, the season was almost complete so its insane to revoke all the efforts put in by those teams.

There is nothing to suggest that the teams below would move above the other teams but 29 games to suggest otherwise.

For the teams that have played 1 fewer games, they can complete those behind closed doors at a stage when it can be relatively safer and then decide the standings after then.
 

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There are only two solutions.

1. Finish the season, even if that means playing it in July and August.

2. Cancel season and declare it void.

No way can they end the season as it is, the PL will have law suits filed against them to make them bankrupt.
This 100%! No other option!
 

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So, if you got to choose:
Let the current table stand, giving Liverpool the title and us a CL-spot
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Let 18/19 rule: No Liverpool title, but no CL for us.

For me easy: CL and Liverpool title. And let's be honest, they totally deserve it.
:houllier::houllier::houllier: Ridiculous!

The FA is not a charitable institution deciding who deserves what and when at this point in time!!
 

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Because you had 29 games to get into a position, those teams were the better over 29 games so they deserve to get their reward if the season isn't completed.

It's insane to just wipe away almost one whole season of effort from all those teams and tell them to start over again, with different players because of contracts, loans etc. It's not as if we are in the first half of the season, the season was almost complete so its insane to revoke all the efforts put in by those teams.

There is nothing to suggest that the teams below would move above the other teams but 29 games to suggest otherwise.
Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous argument. The season consist of 38 matches not 29.
 

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Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous argument. The season consist of 38 matches not 29.
If you're in an extreme situation like this that is the only solution, other than basically telling those other teams that hey you played 75% of the season extremely well and against the odds but you won't get any reward, but you know you been try doing it again.
 

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If you're in an extreme situation like this that is the only solution, other than basically telling those other teams that hey you played 75% of the season extremely well and against the odds but you won't get any reward, do it again.
If you are in an extreme situation like this is then the only solution is to null and void the season - yes.
 

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I thought it was a mass wind up about a null and void outcome to prevent Liverpool from securing the title, but are folk actually serious that is a realistic end to the title race?
 

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Best scenario leagues resumes and is played out. Euros postponed til next summer. Potentially domestic cups cancelled next year to allow for delayed start to next season.

Realistically league would need to be complete by end of July so could wait until early June before restarting. Next season starts in September. No winter break no domestic cups, fewer international breaks, finishes in may.
 

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The mental gymnastics of some of the pool fans is incredible.

Liverpool are officially knocked out of the champions League. “If they cancel it, at least we retain the trophy la”

Liverpool do not have enough points to be declared champions. “It’s the fair thing to do la, sporting integrity la”

regardless, it’s now become such a topic of conversation that it’s impossible for the club to fully enjoy an outcome where they are awarded the title. They won’t have won it fair and square. They say the league table never lies at the end of the season, but if this season doesn’t resume, the current standings will never tell the whole truth.
 

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If you are in an extreme situation like this is then the only solution is to null and void the season - yes.
Again, tell clubs like Sheffield that they will get no European football next season despite them working extremely hard to get there? And then expect them to go at it again the next season when other clubs in competition will have the opportunity to strengthen their sides? European competition brings lots of money for these teams and there is little chance they'll have the money to strengthen in their squad the why United, Spurs, Arsenal etc can and go above them next season.

Also the teams in the championship who would be eligible for promotion.
 

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I thought it was a mass wind up about a null and void outcome to prevent Liverpool from securing the title, but are folk actually serious that is a realistic end to the title race?
would you be happy for Celtic to be given 9 in a row?
 

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I thought it was a mass wind up about a null and void outcome to prevent Liverpool from securing the title, but are folk actually serious that is a realistic end to the title race?
Yes. Maths is the only thing that matters - if you don’t have the points then you don’t have the points.
 

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Again, tell clubs like Sheffield that they will get no European football next season despite them working extremely hard to get there? And then expect them to go at it again the next season when other clubs in competition will have the opportunity to strengthen their sides? European competition brings lots of money for these teams and there is little chance they'll have the money to strengthen in their squad the why United, Spurs, Arsenal etc can and go above them next season.

Also the teams in the championship who would be eligible for promotion.
No, sorry.
 

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Because you had 29 games to get into a position, those teams were the better over 29 games so they deserve to get their reward if the season isn't completed.

It's insane to just wipe away almost one whole season of effort from all those teams and tell them to start over again, with different players because of contracts, loans etc. It's not as if we are in the first half of the season, the season was almost complete so its insane to revoke all the efforts put in by those teams.

There is nothing to suggest that the teams below would move above the other teams but 29 games to suggest otherwise.

For the teams that have played 1 fewer games, they can complete those behind closed doors at a stage when it can be relatively safer and then decide the standings after then.
Rubbish.

Try telling Bournemouth they’re relegated because they’re on the same points as 2 other clubs with 9 games to go. The PL would be wrangled up in lawsuits for the next 10 years.

Liverpool are bound to win the league but there’s still hundreds of millions of pounds worth of positions to fill.
 

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Rubbish.

Try telling Bournemouth they’re relegated because they’re on the same points as 2 other clubs with 9 games to go. The PL would be wrangled up in lawsuits for the next 10 years.

Liverpool are bound to win the league but there’s still hundreds of millions of pounds worth of positions to fill.
Exactly.
 

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Rubbish.

Try telling Bournemouth they’re relegated because they’re on the same points as 2 other clubs with 9 games to go. The PL would be wrangled up in lawsuits for the next 10 years.

Liverpool are bound to win the league but there’s still hundreds of millions of pounds worth of positions to fill.
Aston Villa have a game in hand as well, 10 games remaining, that game in hand could potentially get them out of relegation.
 

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Rubbish.

Try telling Bournemouth they’re relegated because they’re on the same points as 2 other clubs with 9 games to go. The PL would be wrangled up in lawsuits for the next 10 years.

Liverpool are bound to win the league but there’s still hundreds of millions of pounds worth of positions to fill.
Because, just like how it is used to decide the tables after 38 games, GD is used to decide which team has been better in case of equal points. Over 29 games the other team was better because they had more GD.

Again, there have been 29 games played. Plenty of time for show the quality of each team over the course of the season.
 

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The telegraph seems to think liverpool will be awarded the league and we'll have a 22 strong team with 5 relegation slots next season and no league cup.

Can't believe that personally.
 

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Aston Villa have a game in hand as well, 10 games remaining, that game in hand could potentially get them out of relegation.
You can have the teams that have one match left to play them behind closed doors at some point in the future when it is safer.
 

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@hasanejaz88 you keep saying 29 games is enough to show the standing but the whole point of a league is everyone plays everyone else TWICE. There’s teams in the bottom 3 that have had to player tougher games (stronger opposition) than those above them, and you will be denying those the chance to even those games played.
 

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It's either void it (the best option) or conclude the season at a later date (which would have a huge domino effect on football scheduling for the next season or two).

You can't go handing teams titles because they were likely to win it.