Clearly Hertha Berlin aren't happy about this either.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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I‘m surprised people think he got suspended for shaking hands.
What was it for?
Breaking protocol/medical advice I guess. Even players that test negative still have to follow it. Asides the need for strict adherence to protocol one could easily have contracted it since the time of their test samples being taken. This is easily how players are going to spread it unknowingly. Thirdly and probably the most honest reason is it was just really really really stupid of him to do it on social media. Showing leniency would then look like they don't take it seriously. I'm guessing no one in the club would have taken action otherwise. Even generally authorities are ready to overlook minor misdemeanours till some moron forces their hand by doing it on social media
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Ha!
There was a clear protocol how players and staff have to behave - and that meant besides the testings to keep distance - on and off the pitch. Kalou with his video just showed that he does not care.
There is a 51 page long pdf of the DFL that tells everybody around the matches and the trainings how everything has to function.
It is in German... https://www.dfl.de/de/task-force-sportmedizin_sonderspielbetrieb_2020-05-01/
That e.g. the teams have to use the tunnel in different times, that there will not be no handshakes, team photos etc.
and that tells the players how to behave on the pitch, in training and at home.
I get that but is it still not ridiculous?
Somehow yes as the risk between people that just were tested or are tested so often should not be that high... Especially if you see the number of active cases in relation to the inhabitants in Germany.
On the other hand the existence of some of the clubs of the first and 2nd league depends on the restart of the league as they need that last TV rate and with that a lot jobs.
And it is not that there haven't been enough voices against a restart. Compared to other nations there is already a lot open but not all kids are back to school or in preschool etc. You can imagine all that voices that talk about special treatments of the milionarios... - the talk shows were full with them in the recent days...
The DFL has made that special concept together with the clubs and doctors to get this through despite the hurdles... and when a video is made of a player that does not follow the rules that does not shed a good light on that project.
There is not much danger that everything functions if the players keep the rules... - if some think they can go out and party...
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But as TheReligion has said, is it not ridiculous?
That's my issue with this story. You (or to be fair to you, the rulemakers) make it sound like the virus can't be transmited while playing the game but only by not respecting the off-the-field rules, which is wrong. By all sense and logic, a single air duel is more dangerous than multiple handshakes.
This part is funny. If player has coronavirus, he is going to pass it on by participating in a game or training. End of. Handshaking is not as risky as the football itself.
That's my issue with this story. You (or to be fair to you, the rulemakers) make it sound like the virus can't be transmited while playing the game but only by not respecting the off-the-field rules, which is wrong. By all sense and logic, a single air duel is more dangerous than multiple handshakes.
You really cant see how It's not about eliminating the risk but controlling it. It's especially crucial to adhere to protocol while testing is ongoing before restarting the league. They're trying to get a picture of who has it and who doesn't
Besides said player could easily have come in contact with the virus since the time of his sample being taken. You still have to keep contact to a minimum till the next test
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And would you care to explain how exactly is the risk controlled in this way?
read the edit
Wait a sec. You mean if i would care to explain how the risk of spreading the virus is controlled by reducing unnecessary contact?
I'm sorry I understand it was against protocol, but that just shows up the protocol for what it is, complete and utter bollocks and complete lip service to safety, etc. Either the players are safe to train/play as everybody has insisted is the case here in Germany, or it isn't. Has that not been the whole discussion, that in Germany the procedures are so tight everythings perfect and no coronavirus is going to get spread between players? Am I missing something, I haven't read that document obviously but it seems like a bollocks ruling.
In which case its still bollocks, I thought the point was that they wouldn't come into contact... This makes me even less convinced that the DFL have this thing controlled and that outbreaks at a game will end up causing dozens of infections.
It's possible it gets scrapped but they are going to give it a shot and imo it's worth it especially as a trial to see if next season can be restarted if we don't see a treatment or vaccine before then
I have no problem at all with that, tbh, thats not the issue I am discussing here. The issue is that there is no need to have the "no hand shake" rule, either they are safe to train and play together or they are not. If they are not and they still want to play thats fine, then play, but having a rule of no handshake, then having a two hour training session or game, is just plain odd. To me it makes little sense.
People's argument against Kalou's ban is like saying 'Well he didn't injure the player, so why did he get banned for a two footed challenge?'.
Kalou broke the rules, that's why he is banned.
There is absolutely no connection between Kalou's ban and the contact that goes on in football since one is breaking a set of rules in place to lessen the risk of a virus being spread while the other is a necessary part of the game, for which the risk is being lowered by those damn protocols so that it can be played safely! It's a nonsensical argument simply being made because those people have an agenda to not see football back anywhere, so that the authorities in England don't get an ideas to try and start it there themselves and Liverpool are confirmed champions. Eventhough what happens in the BL should have nothing to do with the EPL.
Kalou broke the rules, that's why he is banned.
There is absolutely no connection between Kalou's ban and the contact that goes on in football since one is breaking a set of rules in place to lessen the risk of a virus being spread while the other is a necessary part of the game, for which the risk is being lowered by those damn protocols so that it can be played safely! It's a nonsensical argument simply being made because those people have an agenda to not see football back anywhere, so that the authorities in England don't get an ideas to try and start it there themselves and Liverpool are confirmed champions. Eventhough what happens in the BL should have nothing to do with the EPL.
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Not bashing the BL restart but no or very little chance of having the virus is quite optimistic based upon the reliability of the tests. Do you know details about the tests to be used by the BL?
Kicker reported that the DFL told all 36 professional clubs in Germany not to share test results with the press:
https://www.kicker.de/774935/artikel
https://www.kicker.de/774935/artikel
To those people who are bashing the DFL for restarting the Bundesliga, the German government approved it. I am sure the German government also read their document about restarting and I imagine the scientist who is advising the government said it was safe. It's not like the Bundesliga is restarting just because the DFL want it to. You guys or me are not scientists.
I get it all. And finally you write without having a go at me with no reason at all. I ask you again, don’t you think it is strange giving bans to someone who is shaking hand and ofcourse breaking rules but but at same time accepting play? We know that it will be no social distancing on pitch.
Agree to 100% bosanac.
So what did he get suspended for? Just read the statement. Yes, it is for breaking rules about social distancing but at same time they DFL are accepting that by allowing teams to play.
Stupidity or not. We can agree that it wasn’t exactly his brightest moment but it makes situation bizzare when League tells you play but suspends a player that is not doing anything worse that what will happen on pitch. I wrote couple of pages ago, how will they react if they see hugging, giving high fives and shaking hands?
Thank you. What I was looking after. I’ll read it later.
No problem with that. You break rules, you get punnishment. But you must think it is little wierd that he got suspended but at same time they allow games.
I’ ve always said. Nothing to do with Liverpool. Give them title. No problem.
If true it surly means that clubs could lie just to keep going. At least they would be transparent about not even be transparent. I realy hope that it is not correct.
Two pages on about Kalou!
I‘m sure many of us have degrees, also scientific, and are fairly smart in real life. But I get that it‘s hard to believe reading some of the shit we frequently post and argue about here.
Complete Straw man argument, people are not arguing against Kalou's ban here, we are also not saying this has anything directly to do with the PL. However plenty of us beforehand didn't understand the rules we were told about, now it makes less sense.
So why are they worried about handshakes? Is it a protocol for its own sake, it seems like a nonsense rule put in to make it look good, that does next to nothing for safety. If the testing means that the chances of a player have covid are low then they don't need to worry about hand or contact whilst playing OR they know that it can be passed on, and chances are more players do get infected. It seems to me that the BL is being very liberal with the truth here either to the clubs, the players or everyone else. The fact that they have since told the clubs not to release any details of infections should in all honesty mean it gets stopped by the government if true.
To be clear I believe we could restart it given proper testing, and as long as the players are happy that they understand what the risks are. however that has to include complete openness about infection rates, etc. Surely anyone can see that???
True.Yes the German government approved start of season again, part of me thinks we should just get on with our lives so may as well have football back as well. Other part thinks it's just about the money, lot of German clubs go to the wall if they don't play, simple as that. Government don't want to have to add football to the list of bailouts...
Main point is, we shouldn't be looking at sars-cov-2 as a temporary phenomenon. It'll almost certainly entrench itself as part of the normal seasonal virus stock along with the usual cold and flu viruses.
So football needs to plan on that basis, in fact even if we cancel season now, almost certainly going to be a second peak from late September. Clubs need to find a way to play through it even if they have to do it abroad.
It’s all about the money. Not hiding that fact anymore.
Quite, how that doesn't immediately get players to stop wanting to play, and have the government ban football is beyond me if true.
Imagine if you are a Centre Back and the opposing striker starts sneezing nonstop. You don't have to be Phil Jones to make defensive mistakes when that happens.
GMB a guy from the German League said football isn’t just about money there is an emotional aspect for fans.
First thing came to mind was United last European game. Largely soulless..
Again for clarity I think they could still play even if there were infections. I am quite a pro risk person, having done many risky things. However I have always had a good understanding of that risk I am taking, the players are going to have zero clue how risky what they are doing is, that has to be terribly wrong.
There will be false negatives - of course. The way it is implemented, there will be a reliability of less than 99%. My guess is it will be even lower. But there will be false positives as well!
Reliability for the best available test I could find (using rapid pcr testing) was around 90%
Well that is true but the way people are commenting, it's like the DFL made their own decision without consulting the government. However the government were consulted and obviously wouldn't it ok it if it was at all unsafe. Also to those people that say it's too risky, soon enough we have to live our lives by going to work etc with this virus. I say to those people stay home and don't go to work to earn money to support yourself then.
There is no satisfactory want to proceed but can't help thinking the outcome in inevitable at this point.
Bundasliga will have mad TV viewings when it starts, everyone craving a football fix is going to tune in
Don't agree with hiding the results, there should be transperancy.
Ofcourse it's about the money! It's about the money for every industry out there. Again, everything in Germany is opening, including restaurants, from the 18th of May so why should football be left out?
You have to remember that these clubs aren't owned by billionaire owners but rather publically owned companies so, just like other companies in Germany, need to get back in business to continue running.
There is no solution that will be 100% efficient, just like for the other industries, but the best solution has to be worked out and currently I'm satisfied with what the DFL have proposed.
If this doesn't go the way the DFL have planned I'm 100% sure they will cancel it immediately, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try. As someone also said, this virus is going to stay with us atleast until a vaccine is created, which won't be until next year so industries need to be proactive in coming up with solutions rather than sitting back and seeing football clubs collapse with the cost of running without income.
You got there before me
Aston Villa also against neutral venues says their Chief Exec.
There is absolutely no incentive for the Bottom 6 to agree to this. They can only increase their Chance of being relegated.
Throw in one of Leicester and Chelsea (who can also only lose) and the neutral stadium thing is dead in the water.
There is absolutely no incentive for the Bottom 6 to agree to this. They can only increase their Chance of being relegated.
Throw in one of Leicester and Chelsea (who can also only lose) and the neutral stadium thing is dead in the water.
Definitely will be watching some games (Gladbach most likely), but no attendance is still quite an eerie feeling for me. I remember watching Juve-Inter right before the outbreak and while it was a clash of the highest order in Italy, I couldn't really get into the match because it looked like a glorified friendly so much. Will still be weird, but good to have football back yeah.Bundasliga will have mad TV viewings when it starts, everyone craving a football fix is going to tune in
Why do you think they would cancel it? It's clear they have no intention of stopping it, and are trying to ensure noone else stops it by obfuscating results. Frankly that ought to be a no go from the german government.