Covid-19: Are we overreacting to this virus?

[Suedesi]

Are we overreacting to this virus ? Serious question

I'm looking at latest NYC death data:

We had 1139 deaths the other day and only 14 people had no underlying conditions. So how do we know for sure that the virus has played a significant role in the disease or death? In other words, are we reporting virus-related deaths as soon as it is established that the virus was present at the time of death regardless of other factors? Is anyone establishing the causal chain? Is a stage IV cancer patient with corona who dies classed as a virus death or a cancer death? Why are Germany and Sweden numbers so vastly different to Italy and Spain?

 

[George Owen]

No.

 

[sullydnl]

No.

 

[Sarni]

People can live many years with diabetes, hypertension, asthma, heart diseases and all those other diseases bar cancer. You probably underestimate how many people have at least 1 of these diseases and are therefore ‘vulnerable’. Apparently over 46% Americans have hypertension, 10% have diabetes, not sure about other numbers but I’d imagine if you tried to combine all who have at least 1 of them you would be getting well over 60% if not much higher.

 

[Buster15]

Ask the friends and family of the 50,000 who have died due to covid19....

 

[nimic]

You're using New York as an example, so here's a question for you: is the New York health system overwhelmed? The answer is yes, despite strict measures. There is no scenario where not "overreacting"/implementing strict measures would lead to a health system which isn't overwhelmed. There are, on the other hand, plenty of scenarios where it would be far worse. So in the end this isn't really a question of deaths, it's a question of health care capacity. If the capacity is blown by critically ill Coronavirus patients, then that affects everyone else.

In other words: no.

 

[Rado_N]

No.

 

[Suedesi]

You're using New York as an example, so here's a question for you: is the New York health system overwhelmed? The answer is yes, despite strict measures. There is no scenario where not "overreacting"/implementing strict measures would lead to a health system which isn't overwhelmed. There are, on the other hand, plenty of scenarios where it would be far worse. So in the end this isn't really a question of deaths, it's a question of health care capacity. If the capacity is blown by critically ill Coronavirus patients, then that affects everyone else.

In other words: no.

Fair enough. How long do you keep the strict measures in place to allow the health system to catch up with the caseload? July? August? November?

Not trying to be callous of the deaths/suffering, but if this lockdown remains in place for an extended period, you'll have social order breakdown and bigger problems than the virus...

 

[King Eric 7]

Overreacting in what way? By having lockdowns?

Have a read of this and see if you think we are overreacting - https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196556/coronavirus-measures-have-already-averted-120000/

 

[2cents]

Fair enough. How long do you keep the strict measures in place to allow the health system to catch up with the caseload? July? August? November?

Not trying to be callous of the deaths/suffering, but if this lockdown remains in place for an extended period, you'll have social order breakdown and bigger problems than the virus...

Can you describe the alternative and its possible consequences?

 

[Redlambs]

No.

My sister is a high nurse, and she's just been on the phone to me in tears. She works in a major east London hospital and they've today briefed people on the ventilator situation and who to prioritise. It's not fecking pretty to say the least, and you won't be asking this question when all the stats don't help someone you love...

 

[11101]

If you want an example of what the virus can do when its left to roam free, look at Bergamo. Last year 125 people died in March. This year, 556. If you're ok with a quadrupling of the death toll in every country this hits then yes, we are overreacting.

 

[JPRouve]

I will post this picture, this is what arrived in New York, the USNS Comfort. You don't see these type of things in normal circumstances.

 

[Revan]

Yes, it is a flu.

And who cares for people with underlying conditions anyway, considering that they are going to die? In fact, even people without underlying conditions are going to die eventually, so the virus is not doing anything new.

 

[dwd]

Found out tonight someone I know died from the virus and their husband is now in hospital too. I think this will happen to everybody at some point.

I don't think we are reacting enough to be honest.

 

[fergieisold]

I think the response so far is appropriate. There’s no cause to be overly concerned if you are in good health and relatively young. However clearly this virus is killing a lot more people than would be killed by the seasonal flu.

my boss is in hospital, I know of 2 people that have died of this (Friends family). This clearly isn’t just the flu.

 

[F-Red]

No. Can't believe someone is trying to debate this.

 

[Camy89]

Yes, it is a flu.

And who cares for people with underlying conditions anyway, considering that they are going to die? In fact, even people without underlying conditions are going to die eventually, so the virus is not doing anything new.

I can't tell if this is a sarcastic post or not? I hope so.

 

[Sarni]

Fair enough. How long do you keep the strict measures in place to allow the health system to catch up with the caseload? July? August? November?

Not trying to be callous of the deaths/suffering, but if this lockdown remains in place for an extended period, you'll have social order breakdown and bigger problems than the virus...

I’ve been saying this and not many agree but I think we keep them until there is treatment or vaccine, maybe loosening up for a few weeks once and again. If it’s 3 years from now, you keep them for 3 years.

 

[Redlambs]

I can't tell if this is a sarcastic post or not? I hope so.

It 100% is.

Revan is a good bloke.

 

[Camy89]

It 100% is.

Revan is a good bloke.

Thank god. I was hoping that was the case.

Ridiculous thread btw.

 

[Grinner]

I'm not sure I see the need for this thread. The same thing is discussed in the main thread and I doubt this will stay on the specific topic anyway.

 

[Redlambs]

Thank god. I was hoping that was the case.

Ridiculous thread btw.

Yes it is.

I'm not going to rant at the OP, but people STILL haven't wised up to what this thing is.

 

[Ian Reus]

Oh boy. It was only a matter of time before a thread like this popped up.

It can probably be filed in the conspiracy thread for now.

 

[senorgregster]

Facepalm

 

[Enigma_87]

Oh boy. It was only a matter of time before a thread like this popped up.

It can probably be filed in the conspiracy thread for now.

It’s not conspiracy but a very valid question.

A lot of hospitals are closed and quarantined and people with underlying conditions are dying because they are of dire need of medical help that they can’t get due to the measures.

We have many cases being reported worldwide for people died or dying because they can’t receive help and almost all medical help is diverted to the corona patients -it’s extremely contagious and they get sick too, etc.

 

[Klopper76]

Over a million cases and over 51,000 deaths.

No we're not overreacting.

 

[TheGame]

What a stupid thread. Just look at the world right now.

 

[RedSky]

Over a million cases and over 51,000 deaths.

No we're not overreacting.

That's the equiviliant of the entire population of Durham being killed.

 

[PoTMS]

Jesus Christ.

 

[Amar__]

It’s not conspiracy but a very valid question.

A lot of hospitals are closed and quarantined and people with underlying conditions are dying because they are of dire need of medical help that they can’t get due to the measures.

We have many cases being reported worldwide for people died or dying because they can’t receive help and almost all medical help is diverted to the corona patients -it’s extremely contagious and they get sick too, etc.

This is a valid concern. We had few people dying here already because directors of our few hospitals took the situation too seriously(even though you can't ever be too serious about this virus) and didn't want to admit patients who would normally be admitted, in which they end up dying in their house without even being admitted to the hospital, and our hospitals are still nowhere near full capacity. They just didn't want to risk and thought they will be fine.

 

[golden_blunder]

Are we overreacting to this virus ? Serious question

I'm looking at latest NYC death data:

We had 1139 deaths the other day and only 14 people had no underlying conditions. So how do we know for sure that the virus has played a significant role in the disease or death? In other words, are we reporting virus-related deaths as soon as it is established that the virus was present at the time of death regardless of other factors? Is anyone establishing the causal chain? Is a stage IV cancer patient with corona who dies classed as a virus death or a cancer death? Why are Germany and Sweden numbers so vastly different to Italy and Spain?

If anything, I think deaths are being under reported.

so in a nutshell no

 

[golden_blunder]

Fair enough. How long do you keep the strict measures in place to allow the health system to catch up with the caseload? July? August? November?

Not trying to be callous of the deaths/suffering, but if this lockdown remains in place for an extended period, you'll have social order breakdown and bigger problems than the virus...

Why are people more worried about economics than people dying?

as I type this, it’s reported that there are now over 1 million cases worldwide.

imagine where this would be if there was no restrictions and business as usual

 

[Denis79]

No

 

[Ian Reus]

It’s not conspiracy but a very valid question.

A lot of hospitals are closed and quarantined and people with underlying conditions are dying because they are of dire need of medical help that they can’t get due to the measures.

We have many cases being reported worldwide for people died or dying because they can’t receive help and almost all medical help is diverted to the corona patients -it’s extremely contagious and they get sick too, etc.

So what is the question if it is not as shown in the title of thread?

 

[Fully Fledged]

I can't tell if this is a sarcastic post or not? I hope so.

Sarcastic.

 

[BluesJr]

So you're one of those guys huh?

Take a look at the world.

 

[golden_blunder]

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