Cricket World Cup/ICC Champions Trophy Draft - R1 12OunceEpilogue vs The Cat

Based on performances in ICC tournaments which team would win?


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This draft is based on player performances in ICC World Cups and Champions Trophy only, only performances in these tournaments count, performances outside these tournaments carry no weight. Please vote according to this criteria.


TEAM 12OunceEpilogue


1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Brendon McCullum (Cpt) (Wkt)
3. Ramnaresh Sarwan
4. Graeme Hick
5. Sean Williams
6. Mohammad Mahmudullah
7. Jacob Oram
8. Brad Hogg
9. Chaminda Vaas
10. Jerome Taylor
11. Roger Binny

TEAM THE CAT


1 M. Guptill
2 G. Turner
3 R. Dravid
4 F. du Plessis
5 G. Thorpe
6 A. Flower (wk)
7 I. Khan (capt)
8 G. Swann
9 M. Marshall
10 M. Holding
11 N. Bracken


12OunceEpilogue writeup

Batting:

1. Tendulkar - The all-time greatest WC run scorer (2,278) across 45 matches including a record six centuries. Also holds the record for most runs in a single tournament (673 in 2003, where he was also Player of the Tournament) and top scored in 1996 with 523, and has been named Player of the Match a record nine times.

World Cup Stats- High Score: 152, Average: 56.95, Strike Rate: 88.98 50s: 15, 100s: 6

2. McCullum - An all-time great keeper-batsman, particularly in the short form, Baz also has the fourth best WC strike rate in history (120.85), which paired with a decent average of 33.73 ensures a lightning start for my innings. By no means a prolific WC captain, his record of eight wins and only a single defeat nevertheless shows he has the nouse to take control at this level, and his trademark innovation in his field settings may well come to the fore here. His keeping is superb, while his ability to push up to the stumps to pressurise batsmen facing medium-fast bowling, as he has done for his compatriot Oram to fine effect in ODI cricket, is a huge feather in his cap.

World Cup Stats- High Score: 101, Average: 33.73, Strike Rate: 120.85 50s: 6, 100s: 1

3. Sarwan - A top-class WC performer, with an enviable 46.19 average, Sarwan’s crowning glory in tournament cricket was the Champions Trophy of 2004, where he took away two Player of the Match awards and was named the overall Player of the Series in his side’s victorious campaign. A particular highlight was his gorgeous 56 not out in the semi final against Pakistan, where he salvaged the innings after both openers departed for a combined six runs and Brian Lara left him at the crease having retired hurt.

World Cup Stats- High Score: 92, Average: 46.19, Strike Rate: 75.00 50s: 3, 100s: 0

4. Hick - A solid, steady presence in the mould of Sarwan (Avg. 42.33, S/R 74.01) Hick was an integral part of England’s World Cup ’92 finalists, as evidenced by his superb 83 off 90 balls against South Africa in the semis. Though he isn’t known for scoring runs particularly quickly, here he showed he can do just that against top opposition in a beautiful innings that included nine boundaries.

World Cup Stats- High Score: 104*, Average: 42.33, Strike Rate: 74.01 50s: 6, 100s: 1

5. Williams -

Averaging north of 50 at just over a run a ball, Williams specialises in piling on runs for his team in the heart of the middle order. Seven of his 11 WC innings came at strikes rates above 100, including a Player of the Match-worthy outing against the UAE in 2015. Understandably Williams has never had the chance to showcase his talents at the business end of tournaments but he is a truly top-class dynamo of a batsman as proven by his fine WC figures.

World Cup Stats- High Score: 96, Average: 54.67, Strike Rate: 101.23 50s: 5, 100s: 0

6. Mahmudullah -

He made history in 2015 with his country’s first World Cup century in a defeat of England, then followed this up in the resulting quarter final against New Zealand with his second; a monstrous 128 off 123 balls including 15 boundaries. In the process he set the highest Bangladeshi wicket partnership in ODI history and laid a solid claim to the title of his country’s greatest ever World Cup batsman.

World Cup Stats- High Score: 128*, Average: 56.71, Strike Rate: 77.69 50s: 1, 100s: 2

7. Oram -

An intelligent lower-middle order batsman, Oram can be an able foil for the likes of Williams and Mahmuddullah. It’s impressive that three of his best four World Cup totals were made undefeated, including a fine 63 against England in 2007 (in which he backed up Scott Styris) and a 35 against Canada in the same tournament where he partnered an irrepressible McCullum, who was letting fly at over two runs per ball.

World Cup Stats- High Score: 63*, Average: 23.55, Strike Rate: 71.94 50s: 1, 100s: 0

8. Hogg -

Hogg didn’t get much chance to showcase his skills with bat in hand at World Cup level but he proved in a couple of cameos he is capable of contributing at over a run a ball. His 40* versus Scotland in 2007 was smacked off only 15 deliveries.

World Cup Stats- High Score: 40*, Average: 17.40, Strike Rate: 104.82 50s: 0, 100s: 0

9. 10. 11. - Vaas, Taylor, Binny - All three lower order batsmen are capable of carrying the bat, with double figure averages across the board and a pleasing strike rate for Taylor of over 80 at World Cups. For Vaas a handful of innings in the mid to high 20s and a smattering of undefeated stands attest to his ability to stay the course in partnership with a more established colleague and make contributions himself.

Bowling:

1. Vaas (L-Fast) -

On paper one of the greatest World Cup bowlers of them all. 49 wickets (23 in 2003 making him that World Cup’s leading wicket taker) at 21.22 on average is a fine return, and his ability to swing the ball both ways at searing pace makes him a nasty proposition for any batsman. Three Player of the Match awards, including 4/22 in a six run win against West Indies in 2003 (where an embattled Sarwan scored an unbeaten 47 off 44 balls to get the Windies so close), proves Vaas’s quality at this level. His hat trick against Bangladesh with the opening three deliveries of their innings in 2003, the first and only such feat of its kind, epitomises the magic that can happen when you give this man the new cherry.

World Cup Stats- Overs: 261.4 Maidens: 39 Wickets: 49 Average: 21.22 Strike Rate: 32.04 Economy: 3.97 Best: 6/25

2. Taylor (R-Fast)-

Taylor’s pace has terrorised batsmen at at tournament level, not least in the Champion’s Trophy of 2006 where his chart topping effort of 13 wickets powered West Indies to the final. In a group match with Australia Taylor took the first ever CT hat trick; removing Hussey, Hogg and Lee while taking Ricky Ponting here for just a single run and later in the final for a duck. His average at the tournament was 22.07 and his strike rate was 26.30, and it was only fine batting from Watson and Martyn and a terrible middle order collapse from his own team that cost Taylor a winner’s medal.

World Cup Stats- Overs: 121.3 Maidens: 5 Wickets: 23 Average: 27.57 Strike Rate: 31.70 Economy: 5.22 Best: 3/15

3. Oram (R-Fast) -

Along with Hogg, Oram makes the 25 lowest averages and strike rates in World Cup history (min. 20 wickets taken). His relationship with McCullum behind the stumps is to his advantage and having taken scalps such as those of Gayle, Sarwan and Samuels in 2007 and Graeme Smith and Faf Du Plessis in 2011 Oram has demonstrable ability to trouble the very best opponents.

World Cup Stats- Overs: 182.2 Maidens: 21 Wickets: 36 Average: 21.33 Strike Rate: 30.39 Economy: 4.21 Best: 4/39

4. Binny (R-Fast) -

Binny’s tournament was the 1983 World Cup. There he took all but one of his 19 WC wickets to make him the leading wicket-taker at the tournament and thus was an integral part in India’s triumph. He is most fondly remembered for his superb 4/29 in which he shredded Australia’s top order with the ball, contributed a fine 21 with the bat including two boundaries and picked up the Player of the Match award. With a strike rate mostly below 30 and an average always in the teens or low 20s facing Binny in 1983 was a tall order, as the likes of Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd (twice) and Allan Border (also twice) found to their cost.

World Cup Stats- Overs: 95 Maidens: 9 Wickets: 19 Average: 20.11 Strike Rate: 30.00 Economy: 4.02 Best: 4/29

5. Hogg (L-Leg Spin) -

As alluded to above Hogg’s numbers put him in the top 20 best average and strike rate for any bowlers to have taken more than 20 wickets at World Cups, putting him in elite company in tournament cricket. Usually economical, having only twice gone for more than five an over out of 21 World Cup appearances, he proved his worth time and again in occupying an end. However it is his wicket-taking in Australia’s 2003 triumph (in the absence of their more celebrated leg spinner) and 2007 for which Hogg is most fondly remembered. His brand of left arm leg spin deceived many a seasoned batsman, including the likes of Younis Khan, Mahala Jayawardene (in both ’03 and ’07) and Yuvraj Singh in the ’03 final. However it was Andy Flower, on 62 and in fine touch, who famously succumbed to Hogg’s lethal flipper in a match that would see the Aussie claim a further two wickets and finish the match averaging only 16.57 with a sub-20 strike rate. As he proved during his team’s two tournament wins Hogg has the toolkit to worry any batsman, but the way in which he spun the Netherlands’ tail off the field in 2007, before doing the same to New Zealand’s lower-middle order later in the tournament, suggests he is best deployed later in the innings to rip through the lower half of his opponent’s card.

World Cup Stats- Overs: 182.2 Maidens: 21 Wickets: 36 Average: 21.33 Strike Rate: 30.39 Economy: 4.21 Best: 4/39

Summary:

Batting:

Rock-solid top order with one of the draft’s best opening partnerships, who will build a winning platform quickly and effectively, being followed by two 40+ averaging steady-Eddies with crucial business end tournament experience. At five and six we have two batsmen with demonstrable records of defying the minnow status of their respective countries to pile runs on the board against quality bowling, while numbers seven and eight are able to both contribute themselves and back up a more exalted partner. The tail has no slouches with the bat.

Bowling:

The bowling attack is finely balanced with every member of the unit having experience of wicket taking at tournament level. Vaas’s world-class left arm swing will combine nicely with Taylor’s raw right arm pace. Oram’s numbers prove his brand of right arm medium-fast bowling can keep any batsman honest while Binny’s wicket taking heroics in ’83 prove his right arm fast bowling also has what it takes. Our spinner is underrated by many but as his numbers, key wicket-taking and winner's medals prove Hogg has serious World Cup pedigree.


The Cat writeup

1. M Guptill. W/c average 57.78 including 237 n/o v Windies in the 2015 Q/F. Strike rate 89 as opener. Never really made it in Test cricket but one of the most effective openers ever in the ODI game.

2. G Turner. W/c average 61.20 Had every shot in the book by the end of his career and could score as fast as anyone when required.

3. R Dravid. W/c average 61.42. The wall. The end.

4. F Du Plessis. W/c average 53.90. S/R 84. Classy innings builder, very composed and reliable.

5. G. Thorpe. W/c average 54.14. Just the man if you need someone to nurse the tail and chase down a run chase.

6. A. Flower W/c average 32.60. Decent average in the world cup considering he had to practically carry the team in the early days. A great innings maker proved by an innings of 145 in the Champions Trophy. Also great glove work. Wicket keeper.

7. I Khan W/c batting average 35.05, bowling average 19.26 @3.86 r/o. The captain. Took an average side in 1992 and transformed them into champions.

8. G Swann. W/c batting average 15.00, bowling average 25.75 @4.54 r/o. Far more capable with the bat than shown, would be a great foil for Thorpe late on.

9. M, Marshall W/c average of 24.98 @3.08. So hard to score against, Marshall is up there as possibly the greatest fast bowler in history. Had every skill, deadly bouncers, a leg cutter and could swing the ball either way.

10. M Holding W/c average of 17.05 @ 2.94. Again so difficult to put away 'Whispering Death' just didn't bowl bad balls and was a dangerous as they come. What a pairing with Marshall.

11. N Bracken. W/c average of 16.12 @ 3.60. Even managed to drop Glenn McGrath to first change bowler in 2006. Could swing and seam the ball in either direction whilst containing even the best batsmen. No1 ranked bowler in the world by 2008. Left arm bowler to add further to the balance.

Have tried to balance this team with a bit of everything. The opening NZ pair combine old and new techniques however Turner really could step on the gas when the time was right. Dravid needs no explanation and I'm really happy with Du Plessis and Thorpe to craft the middle order.

Flower was a great player - if you can't get to Gilchrist in time then he'd be amongst the best of the rest for me anyway. Imran Khan was a worthy 1st round pick - deadly in both areas of the game and a great captain on top of that.

I'm chuffed with the bowling attack, especially picking up Marshall late on. Swann was a superb attacking spinner, Holding, Khan, Marshall and Bracken are going to give nothing away their economy is ridiculous and no batsman is going to feel great seeing that lineup in front of him.
 

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@The Cat it is a world cup + IC tournament draft, and that brings down a lot of your averages etc.

Gentle reminder that the first post should be updated.
 

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I clearly state the averages are world cup averages. Far more important to me. And also to my opponent it would seem.
 

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Agree with Cat, he's made it clear they are world cup avg only.

As for the game itself, Cat has a much better bowling unit.
 

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I clearly state the averages are world cup averages. Far more important to me. And also to my opponent it would seem.
That's right, I saw World Cups as the more crucial performances and Champions' Trophy as important, but secondary. I've alluded to a couple of stand out CT performances in my write-ups but purposely only picked players with impressive WC numbers. I'll happily post full ICC tournament stats next time, apologies for not doing so here, but for now at least @The Cat and I are in the same boat.
 

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Agree with Cat, he's made it clear they are world cup avg only.

As for the game itself, Cat has a much better bowling unit.
There's no denying it, however I hope voters will see my five guys as a strong unit in their own right, each with at least one stand-out ICC tournament to their name and/or consistently impressive figures at WCs/ICC events:

Vaas - Brilliant in 2003 WC, great overall
Taylor - Brilliant in 2006 CT, good overall
Oram - Strong across three World Cups ('03, '07, '11) and bowling an 18 avg. at CTs
Binny - Brilliant in 1983, including the best bowling of his career
Hogg - Brilliant in 2003 and 2007

As for batting while I love Cat's top three I feel I have a better blend from 1-6 down to the tail; with quick runs at the start, command and control in the upper middle, dynamite in the middle and staying power/contributions in the lower middle and tail. I think one day matches are won on the strength and blend of the batting line-up and the consistency of the bowling, and I feel I have the team to deliver in both regards.
 

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I am hoping that my bowling lineup and batting from 1-7 will make my tail-enders' batting irrelevant.

Even 10 runs each from 8-11 should be enough if ever required.

Imagine seeing that bowling lineup in front of you - you would have to try and go nuts when Swann is bowling which would only play into his hands :)
 

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Imagine seeing that bowling lineup in front of you - you would have to try and go nuts when Swann is bowling which would only play into his hands :)
No offense mate, but you are overrating your bowlers. Your opening pair are absolutely top notch and even Bracken for first change is phenomenal (If that is indeed how you intend to utilize them). I don't rate Swann that highly in this format however. Also, might I ask who or if you have a 6th bowler. If one of your big 5 is not performing or going for runs, do you have someone to come in to maybe make a clinical break or just offer some variation ?
 

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No offense mate, but you are overrating your bowlers. Your opening pair are absolutely top notch and even Bracken for first change is phenomenal (If that is indeed how you intend to utilize them). I don't rate Swann that highly in this format however. Also, might I ask who or if you have a 6th bowler. If one of your big 5 is not performing or going for runs, do you have someone to come in to maybe make a clinical break or just offer some variation ?
None taken but overrating Imran Khan do you mean?

Swann isn't a Warne or a Muli I accept that but we can't build a team of first round picks :)
 

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Swann is the weak link here.. but it's very difficult to see Marshall, Bracken, Imran and Holding giving away a lot of runs. Even if Swann gives away 60-70 runs it will be covered by the others.
 

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There's no denying it, however I hope voters will see my five guys as a strong unit in their own right, each with at least one stand-out ICC tournament to their name and/or consistently impressive figures at WCs/ICC events:

Vaas - Brilliant in 2003 WC, great overall
Taylor - Brilliant in 2006 CT, good overall
Oram - Strong across three World Cups ('03, '07, '11) and bowling an 18 avg. at CTs
Binny - Brilliant in 1983, including the best bowling of his career
Hogg - Brilliant in 2003 and 2007

As for batting while I love Cat's top three I feel I have a better blend from 1-6 down to the tail; with quick runs at the start, command and control in the upper middle, dynamite in the middle and staying power/contributions in the lower middle and tail. I think one day matches are won on the strength and blend of the batting line-up and the consistency of the bowling, and I feel I have the team to deliver in both regards.
You have the better spinner but his pacers are a notch above yours.
 

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You have the better spinner but his pacers are a notch above yours.
I agree, his opening pair are particularly dangerous, while I can see Bracken and Khan chipping in while keeping runs tight.

However as you say Hogg is the better ICC tourney spinner, I would argue by far in terms of wicket taking and sewing up an end, while I'm satisfied my quicks will take wickets without giving away too many runs.

Each has been the stand-out bowler at an ICC tournament, with the exception of Oram who as I said previously has been a quality support bowler at WC and CT level, while he is tailor-made to hang on in in that sixth wicket partnership both as foil for his upper order partner and as a contributor in his own right.

A word or two on Binny: while I must concede we are only talking about one tournament it is hard to overstate just what an integral part he was of Dev's World Cup winning team in 1983. As well as putting on a smattering of crucial lower-order runs Binny produced bursts of lethal swing bowling, taking Richards, Lloyd and Dujon in quick succession to inflict the West Indies' maiden World Cup defeat. His removal of Wood and Yallop (plus David Hookes) was also done quickly and demonstrated his ability to remove set batsmen, as he also did in the semi against England by curtailing the 69 run partnership of Fowler and Tavare by taking the pair of them out. In terms of taking crucial wickets at critical points in the game Binny's efforts in '83 take some beating.
 

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None taken but overrating Imran Khan do you mean?

Swann isn't a Warne or a Muli I accept that but we can't build a team of first round picks :)
Meant your entire bowling unit as a whole. Imran is GOAT. Holding is wonderful too. Bracken, whom I don't really like all that much has delivered on the big stage. Marshall, I am not sure of key performances. Apart from being a big name, I am not entirely sure what he's done in the WC/ICC tournaments. Swann is a clear weak link as well.

And you still have not answered my other question. Do you have a contingency plan ? What if Swann and one of your pacers go for a lot of runs ? You will have to rotate very sensibly to ensure you get the most of your 5 bowlers. Always having a part timer who can chip in with a few overs will always help, giving the others much needed rest. This is even more important considering your bowling unit comprises of 4 pacers. They are bound to tire.
 

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Meant your entire bowling unit as a whole. Imran is GOAT. Holding is wonderful too. Bracken, whom I don't really like all that much has delivered on the big stage. Marshall, I am not sure of key performances. Apart from being a big name, I am not entirely sure what he's done in the WC/ICC tournaments. Swann is a clear weak link as well.

And you still have not answered my other question. Do you have a contingency plan ? What if Swann and one of your pacers go for a lot of runs ? You will have to rotate very sensibly to ensure you get the most of your 5 bowlers. Always having a part timer who can chip in with a few overs will always help, giving the others much needed rest. This is even more important considering your bowling unit comprises of 4 pacers. They are bound to tire.
Marshall is also an all time great as is Holding. I don't think stats mean everything however Marshall's World cup stats read
MD Marshall 1983-1992 11 11 113.0 13 349 14 3/28 24.92 3.08 48.4

To answer your other question 5 bowlers is enough as long as you captain them properly. The 4 quicks are so good they have to be backed without worrying about dropping them and resting them in this short version of the game.
 

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Marshall is also an all time great as is Holding. I don't think stats mean everything however Marshall's World cup stats read
MD Marshall 1983-1992 11 11 113.0 13 349 14 3/28 24.92 3.08 48.4

To answer your other question 5 bowlers is enough as long as you captain them properly. The 4 quicks are so good they have to be backed without worrying about dropping them and resting them in this short version of the game.
Context is not about World Cup greats though right ? If that were the case, the profile of players Skills and me we were looking at in the drafts would be completely different. It's about performing at the highest level. Players are to be solely judged on their ICC games, big name players hardly matter in the context. And I didn't even mention stats. I just don't remember any particular standout performances from any of your bowlers except Imran and Bracken in the ICC tournaments.

So in other words, you have no Plan B? It's not about being so good. Most players picked in the snake draft are likely to go from great to good. So that case could be made for n number of teams. Usually, it is advisable to always have a plan B, be it with the batting or the bowling. Just saying "my team is so good" isn't enough if different scenarios and situations are presented by a potential voter or the opposition. Just a drafting advice. Hope you don't take it in the wrong way. :)
 

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Context is not about World Cup greats though right ? If that were the case, the profile of players Skills and me we were looking at in the drafts would be completely different. It's about performing at the highest level. Players are to be solely judged on their ICC games, big name players hardly matter in the context. And I didn't even mention stats. I just don't remember any particular standout performances from any of your bowlers except Imran and Bracken in the ICC tournaments.

So in other words, you have no Plan B? It's not about being so good. Most players picked in the snake draft are likely to go from great to good. So that case could be made for n number of teams. Usually, it is advisable to always have a plan B, be it with the batting or the bowling. Just saying "my team is so good" isn't enough if different scenarios and situations are presented by a potential voter or the opposition. Just a drafting advice. Hope you don't take it in the wrong way. :)
No that's fine mate not a problem. Perhaps I am just older than some and can remember Marshall and Holding destroying people :)
 

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No that's fine mate not a problem. Perhaps I am just older than some and can remember Marshall and Holding destroying people :)
Of course they did mate. I just don't remember how much impacted these tournaments. If you can enlighten me, I am more than happy to take back my word.
 

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Bad timing but just before I have to go out Holding in the 1979 final delivered 8 overs for 16 runs at 2 an over. In the final in 1983 Marshall bowled 11 overs for 24 runs at 2.18. 2 wickets for each of them I believe.

Right will check back in later.
 

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I clearly state the averages are world cup averages. Far more important to me. And also to my opponent it would seem.
Agree with Cat, he's made it clear they are world cup avg only.

As for the game itself, Cat has a much better bowling unit.
Disagree strongly. This was a ICC tournament draft. IF we are disregarding Champions Trophies, why bother thinking of them when drafting. This makes the playing field completely uneven.

I might sit the rest of it out, as it's pointless. I drafted with both tournaments in mind, and my opponent can just say "I picked WC only" and show better stats.
 

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Disagree strongly. This was a ICC tournament draft. IF we are disregarding Champions Trophies, why bother thinking of them when drafting. This makes the playing field completely uneven.

I might sit the rest of it out, as it's pointless. I drafted with both tournaments in mind, and my opponent can just say "I picked WC only" and show better stats.
This.
 

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Disagree strongly. This was a ICC tournament draft. IF we are disregarding Champions Trophies, why bother thinking of them when drafting. This makes the playing field completely uneven.

I might sit the rest of it out, as it's pointless. I drafted with both tournaments in mind, and my opponent can just say "I picked WC only" and show better stats.
That's not what i meant mate, ICC TT does carry weight. What i meant to say is Cat made it clear he's only referring to WC stats and clearly not out there to trick anyone, there's no requirement in what you put into the writeup. However this can be pointed out and used against him by opposition managers/voters and can influence votes.
 

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I would prefer to think of it as I would judge each player by their best performances and stats in EITHER competition.

I am just not going to hammer someone who only had good stats in one or the other. That goes for every draft team.

Stats only go so far - I would also use my memory and impression of the player.

I'm not trying to change the rules - I am just trying to explain my reasoning for rating players.
 

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That's not what i meant mate, ICC TT does carry weight. What i meant to say is Cat made it clear he's only referring to WC stats and clearly not out there to trick anyone, there's no requirement in what you put into the writeup. However this can be pointed out and used against him by opposition managers/voters and can influence votes.
Which I won't be doing as I've done the same thing, which is representative of the fact I used World Cups as my primary consideration when choosing players. That's not to say I didn't consider CTs when choosing players, as you can see in my write-ups of Sarwan and Taylor they figured in my thoughts, but while I have a few players who starred at World Cups but had an indifferent CT career I didn't consider anyone who played well in a CT but were junk at World Cups. Players needed at least good World Cup numbers/performances to be considered for my team (in a similar way to how I imagine it was for other players).

As with @The Cat I certainly wasn't trying to misrepresent by numbers and I'll be using combined WC/CT stats should I get another game.
 

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At least we are thinking the same way so there is no advantage for either of us in this match. Much easier to rate players with a longer test career in a test draft I suppose.
 

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Looks like I'm losing this one. Am genuinely puzzled though I'd back my side against any of the others. Tactical voting? Anyhow well picked good luck.
 

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Looks like I'm losing this one. Am genuinely puzzled though I'd back my side against any of the others. Tactical voting? Anyhow well picked good luck.
My guess would be the following:

1. Tendulkar - the ultimate vote getter
2. Marshall and Swan (in this draft) aren't the best

That's why I voted against you..

But then I don't understand how a team with freaking Sean Williams and Mahmudullah (who are both good in the criteria but come on) is winning :lol:
 

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My guess would be the following:

1. Tendulkar - the ultimate vote getter
2. Marshall and Swan (in this draft) aren't the best

That's why I voted against you..

But then I don't understand how a team with freaking Sean Williams and Mahmudullah (who are both good in the criteria but come on) is winning :lol:
:( And they've been working so hard in training.
 

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It's all cool. I think I might be an olde
My guess would be the following:

1. Tendulkar - the ultimate vote getter
2. Marshall and Swan (in this draft) aren't the best

That's why I voted against you..

But then I don't understand how a team with freaking Sean Williams and Mahmudullah (who are both good in the criteria but come on) is winning :lol:
It's all cool mate. I think I might be a bit older than some of the voters Marshall was an absolute beast. off topic admittedly and not relevant to this draft but I think he was possibly the best pacemam who ever lived. I loved watching him bowl he's the most dangerous I ever saw. So sad he died so early he really could do everything even the nastiest bouncers from his height.
 

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It's all cool. I think I might be an olde


It's all cool mate. I think I might be a bit older than some of the voters Marshall was an absolute beast. off topic admittedly and not relevant to this draft but I think he was possibly the best pacemam who ever lived. I loved watching him bowl he's the most dangerous I ever saw. So sad he died so early he really could do everything even the nastiest bouncers from his height.
Agree with this.
 

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Bloody hell, 12Ounce’s batting falls off the cliff after the opening pair. Bowling is weak too. Cats batting is weak but bowling is much better l
 

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Your bowling is insane. You'd flatten the other team.
Thanks spoony I think my 7 batsmen would cruise to a 200 because it wouldn't be much more than that. I think people are getting Swann mixed up with Giles as well he was a great performer for most of his career.