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charlton66 said:
Interesting that it was ok for India to move their matches out of Pakistan for the Champions Trophy for security reasons, but not ok for Bangladesh to be able to do the same when they feared for their team in India.
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Which team and fans do you want to screw by swapping their matches with Bangladesh? Anyone volunteering their team with a month to go?
 
zing said:
I don’t think it’s the same. The India Pakistan thing was planned years in advance. Bangladesh are doing a bit because the IPL canceled their cricketer’s contract and are making this request last minute.

I don’t think the icc are in the wrong to deny it.

If Bangladesh genuinely thought they were at risk, why didn’t they make the request earlier? This happened a couple of days after Mustafizur’s contract was canceled.
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Exactly. ICC are also accomodating the fact that Pakistan won't be a playing a match in India too.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
I think it's more complicated than most people think. Political situation in the subcontinent is very complicated right now.
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Im not disagreeing, but if not the bcci who's to blame for not allowing their games to be moved? The simple fix that the bcci just got themselves
 
arnie_ni said:
Im not disagreeing, but if not the bcci who's to blame for not allowing their games to be moved? The simple fix that the bcci just got themselves
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So which team and their fans are you volunteering to have their entire itinerary and travel plans changed with 4 weeks to go?

Why are you ignoring the fact that Pakistan have also got exactly the same arrangement for this tournament - simply because they didn't make a stupid request after the schedule was released?
 
Skills said:
Which team and fans do you want to screw by swapping their matches with Bangladesh? Anyone volunteering their team with a month to go?
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I'm not blaming the ICC or anybody for that matter. I just think its interesting that India, who probably provide the most revenue for International tournaments are somehow accommodated for their safety request yet Bangladesh, who to be honest, no one will miss are turned down.

I don't know whether its true or not, but it does seem that its "one law for the rich and another one for the poor."

Like life really, I guess....
 
charlton66 said:
I'm not blaming the ICC or anybody for that matter. I just think its interesting that India, who probably provide the most revenue for International tournaments are somehow accommodated for their safety request yet Bangladesh, who to be honest, no one will miss are turned down.

I don't know whether its true or not, but it does seem that its "one law for the rich and another one for the poor."

Like life really, I guess....
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Pakistan have also been accommodated. The entire schedule for the knockout games balances on if Pakistan make it to the SF or Final.
 
charlton66 said:
I'm not blaming the ICC or anybody for that matter. I just think its interesting that India, who probably provide the most revenue for International tournaments are somehow accommodated for their safety request yet Bangladesh, who to be honest, no one will miss are turned down.

I don't know whether its true or not, but it does seem that its "one law for the rich and another one for the poor."

Like life really, I guess....
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If India wanted to feck someone over, it’d be Pakistan. The fixtures are set up to accommodate Pakistan so clearly it’s not one rule for the poor/enemies of the bcci.

Bangladesh are just throwing a hissy fit over the Mustafizur thing.
 
Also Pakistan have the exact same arrangement this World Cup as India did at the champions trophy.

The knockout stage consists of two semi-finals on 4 and 5 March, and a final on 8 March.[8]The semi-final 2 will be held on Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai, while the semi-final 1 and the final are scheduled to be held on Eden Gardens in Kolkata and Narendra Modi Stadiumin Ahmedabad respectively, but both will be moved R. Premadasa Stadium in Colombo if Pakistan qualifies.[40]


I look forward to all the posters from this thread who regularly criticised India during the champions trophy step forward to criticise Pakistan for rigging the tournament like this. This has made the entire tournament meaningless etc
 
zing said:
Also Pakistan have the exact same arrangement this World Cup as India did at the champions trophy.

The knockout stage consists of two semi-finals on 4 and 5 March, and a final on 8 March.[8]The semi-final 2 will be held on Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai, while the semi-final 1 and the final are scheduled to be held on Eden Gardens in Kolkata and Narendra Modi Stadiumin Ahmedabad respectively, but both will be moved R. Premadasa Stadium in Colombo if Pakistan qualifies.[40]


I look forward to all the posters from this thread who regularly criticised India during the champions trophy step forward to criticise Pakistan for rigging the tournament like this. This has made the entire tournament meaningless etc
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The whole of Asia Cup 2025 also got relocated from India to the UAE.
 
zing said:
Also Pakistan have the exact same arrangement this World Cup as India did at the champions trophy.

The knockout stage consists of two semi-finals on 4 and 5 March, and a final on 8 March.[8]The semi-final 2 will be held on Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai, while the semi-final 1 and the final are scheduled to be held on Eden Gardens in Kolkata and Narendra Modi Stadiumin Ahmedabad respectively, but both will be moved R. Premadasa Stadium in Colombo if Pakistan qualifies.[40]


I look forward to all the posters from this thread who regularly criticised India during the champions trophy step forward to criticise Pakistan for rigging the tournament like this. This has made the entire tournament meaningless etc
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Only difference is that Pakistan played the entire 2023 WC in India and then India tried to get the CT out of Pakistan. The BCCICC obviously bowed down and allowed it despite there being no reason other than politics.

Pakistan were willing to put politics aside and travel so please do not equate the two.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Only difference is that Pakistan played the entire 2023 WC in India and then India tried to get the CT out of Pakistan. The BCCICC obviously bowed down and allowed it despite there being no reason other than politics.

Pakistan were willing to put politics aside and travel so please do not equate the two.
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India's stance on playing Cricket in Pakistan has been the same since 2008. Pakistan's stance is what's relatively new.
 
The one thing I would say about this Bangladesh situation is that it all started after the BCCI told KKR to replace Mustafizur, just a month after they let Mustafizur be bought in the action. Bangladesh have reacted in an extreme manner because politicians everywhere have their own ego but I am not sure why IPL needed to remove Mustafizur.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
The one thing I would say about this Bangladesh situation is that it all started after the BCCI told KKR to replace Mustafizur, just a month after they let Mustafizur be bought in the action. Bangladesh have reacted in an extreme manner because politicians everywhere have their own ego but I am not sure why IPL needed to remove Mustafizur.
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They could have just not let players from Bangladesh register for the auction.
But then another way of looking at this is politics has made this sport absolute mess.
 
Skills said:
India's stance on playing Cricket in Pakistan has been the same since 2008. Pakistan's stance is what's relatively new.
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When did India reject playing in Pakistan before the CT that you're saying they've had that stance since 2008? Pakistan didn't host any international competition between 2008-2025 so it's a nothing point.

India didn't confirm they would not play in the CT until 3 months before it started.
 
zing said:
If India wanted to feck someone over, it’d be Pakistan. The fixtures are set up to accommodate Pakistan so clearly it’s not one rule for the poor/enemies of the bcci.

Bangladesh are just throwing a hissy fit over the Mustafizur thing.
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I think you are missing my point a little. As I said, I think its interesting that the cricketing world are willing to accommodate India (and Pakistan for that matter). I think they would have found a way to accommodate England, Australia and South Africa as well. However, when it comes to a relative minnow of the cricketing world, Bangladesh are SOL.

Like I said, I don't really blame anybody for this happening. I'm just pointing out what I believe to be a double standard.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
When did India reject playing in Pakistan before the CT that you're saying they've had that stance since 2008? Pakistan didn't host any international competition between 2008-2025 so it's a nothing point.

India didn't confirm they would not play in the CT until 3 months before it started.
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That Sri Lanka tour that got attacked in 2009 was a replacement for the scheduled India tour. So it's a not a nothing point.

The Indian cricket team is never going to play cricket in Pakistan - any chance of that happening ended all the way back in 2008.
 
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charlton66 said:
I think you are missing my point a little. As I said, I think its interesting that the cricketing world are willing to accommodate India (and Pakistan for that matter). I think they would have found a way to accommodate England, Australia and South Africa as well. However, when it comes to a relative minnow of the cricketing world, Bangladesh are SOL.

Like I said, I don't really blame anybody for this happening. I'm just pointing out what I believe to be a double standard.
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It's pretty easy who to blame, there's only one country that has continuously allowed politics to rule their cricket. Bangladesh had no issue coming to India until the BCCI, for no cricketing related reason, decided to ban a Bangladeshi player from the IPL after he had already been selected.

One country brings politics into their cricket and then tries to act innocent and blame the other when the other team retaliates. Right now India has all the power so they can get away with any decision they make, it's a bold decision by Bangladesh to stand with their player.

I agree that maybe there wasn't enough time to settle the issue like it has been for Pakistan and it would've been interesting to see what would have transpired had this happened earlier.

Skills said:
That Sri Lanka tour that got attacked in 2009 was a replacement for the scheduled India tour. So it's a not a nothing point.

The Indian cricket team is never going to play cricket in Pakistan - any chance of that happening ended all the way back in 2008.
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Why did they take till 3 months before the tournament to confirm it with the ICC then? Even then you're admitting India is always the first country to bring politics into their cricket, with Pakistan and Bangladesh now. India played in a Pakistan a few years after Kargil, let's not act as if India would have never played under another government after 2008.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
It's pretty easy who to blame, there's only one country that has continuously allowed politics to rule their cricket. Bangladesh had no issue coming to India until the BCCI, for no cricketing related reason, decided to ban a Bangladeshi player from the IPL after he had already been selected.

One country brings politics into their cricket and then tries to act innocent and blame the other when the other team retaliates. Right now India has all the power so they can get away with any decision they make, it's a bold decision by Bangladesh to stand with their player.

I agree that maybe there wasn't enough time to settle the issue like it has been for Pakistan and it would've been interesting to see what would have transpired had this happened earlier.



Why did they take till 3 months before the tournament to confirm it with the ICC then? Even then you're admitting India is always the first country to bring politics into their cricket, with Pakistan and Bangladesh now. India played in a Pakistan a few years after Kargil, let's not act as if India would have never played under another government after 2008.
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Your arguments are inconsistent.

Is your claim that Bangladesh are wrong to do this but you’ll defend them because India did something you perceive as wrong before? That’s not what people are debating here.
 
zing said:
Your arguments are inconsistent.

Is your claim that Bangladesh are wrong to do this but you’ll defend them because India did something you perceive as wrong before? That’s not what people are debating here.
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Initially I did think it was too late for the ICC to make an adjustment to the scheduling and therefore had to ban Bangladesh, if they didn't want to play. I fully support Bangladesh's decision though, they have to stand by their player.

Reading the ICC statement though, they cite their reason to be 'no credible threat to their security'. That's BS considering how India, and then Pakistan, were able to have their fixtures moved despite their motives not being any security threat but rather purely political reasons.

In either case, it's always one party that's bringing the game into disrepute and they have yet to be disciplined by the ICC, or other boards, and will continue not to be.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Initially I did think it was too late for the ICC to make an adjustment to the scheduling and therefore had to ban Bangladesh, if they didn't want to play. I fully support Bangladesh's decision though, they have to stand by their player.

Reading the ICC statement though, they cite their reason to be 'no credible threat to their security'. That's BS considering how India, and then Pakistan, were able to have their fixtures moved despite their motives not being any security threat but rather purely political reasons.

In either case, it's always one party that's bringing the game into disrepute and they have yet to be disciplined by the ICC, or other boards, and will continue not to be.
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Good post.

And they also prepare shit pitches too, dont forget.
 
zing said:
It is the best t20 team in the format’s history. They are ridiculously over powered.

International t20 isn’t widely followed so I don’t see people outside India talking about this much.

T20 is the kind of format anything can happen, but we are huge favs next month.
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They've just chased a 150 in 10 overs now. I've never seen anything like it - especially with the level of players they're leaving on the bench.
 
It will be a miracle if India don't win the T20 world cup. I think it will be an extremely one sided tournament.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Initially I did think it was too late for the ICC to make an adjustment to the scheduling and therefore had to ban Bangladesh, if they didn't want to play. I fully support Bangladesh's decision though, they have to stand by their player.

Reading the ICC statement though, they cite their reason to be 'no credible threat to their security'. That's BS considering how India, and then Pakistan, were able to have their fixtures moved despite their motives not being any security threat but rather purely political reasons.

In either case, it's always one party that's bringing the game into disrepute and they have yet to be disciplined by the ICC, or other boards, and will continue not to be.
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I agree,
1) ICC should be consistent, cant have double standards
2) its too late to change schedule, will end up with screwed up common people wanting to watch a game, like you and me.

But both are leading us to the same conclusion, Bangladesh can withdrew per their own decision, but ICC cant change the schedule last minute unless there's a credible threat.
 
I reckon Sanju Samson does not play for India after this world cup..

It's unclear to me if he's just shit or it's something else
 
zing said:
I reckon Sanju Samson does not play for India after this world cup..

It's unclear to me if he's just shit or it's something else
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He was amazing in 2024. I don't know if it's worth dropping him for Kishan though, Jaiswal for sure - but then you need a keeper without messing with your middle order.
 
Should have been retired out once he got his century though. Brook has played superbly today as well to be fair to him.
 
Need to make sure to catch the highlights of this one! Brooks innings looks electric
 
charlton66 said:
It still baffles me why the Aussies dropped Steven Smith from their T20 lineup. He hit his 4th century today against the Thunder in 41 balls. He now has the most centuries in bbl history having played only 35 innings, and also has the 2nd highest average of anyone at 48.81.
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Yep, the Aussies definitely don't need Steven Smith in their T20 line up.

If today's game against Pakistan is anything to go by, Australia are not going to be putting up much of a showing in the coming T20 World Cup. Xavier Bartlett's cameo at the end made today's game look a lot closer than it really was.
 
charlton66 said:
Yep, the Aussies definitely don't need Steven Smith in their T20 line up.

If today's game against Pakistan is anything to go by, Australia are not going to be putting up much of a showing in the coming T20 World Cup. Xavier Bartlett's cameo at the end made today's game look a lot closer than it really was.
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Was hardly the first team they'll eventually put out for the WC though. Lots of players missing.
 
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