Cristian Orozco new midfielder to sign in 2026

Yagami said:
It's hard to tell but I thought I'd post it regardless.

Keep in mind that he is still only 17 and is playing against senior level players here. In that sense, the few times he was able to shield the ball and turn away from his opponent were promising. You don't really get an idea of his passing range or defensive positioning for the most part, though.

His composure under pressure in general seems good. Doesn't panic, trusts himself to keep possession, etc.
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Oh he's 17. Well then he's physically developed early, he does look like a unit.

His passing isn't great though.
 
Baxquux said:
Isn't he a kid playing in a men's league here? Looks fine to me in terms of a 'base'. Obviously you'd expect this kind of player to be a couple of years off the 1st team. Even Caicedo went on loan after joining Brighton before he was introduced gradually into the 1st team, and he had more hype around him/was more expensive (I remember the Tim Vickery report on the BBC when Utd were trying to sound out a deal).
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I didn't know his age. A player to keep an eye on but not a player I would say looks like a cert in any way.
 
The sort of signing most people on here have a go at the club for not doing, and laud Brighton for doing,
yet when the club do actually sign these players people on here have a go and say he's not worth it or isn't a stand out player already....
 
Champ said:
The sort of signing most people on here have a go at the club for not doing, and laud Brighton for doing,
yet when the club do actually sign these players people on here have a go and say he's not worth it or isn't a stand out player already....
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You just can’t win…. :lol:
 
Looks technically lacking but my god he’s an absolute unit at 17. We’ll see how he develops in the U-21’s next season.
 
Hammondo said:
Oh he's 17. Well then he's physically developed early, he does look like a unit.

His passing isn't great though.
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In that video he has 100% pass completion. I guess we'll have to tell the scouts to look for players with 110% pass completion in the future.

DevTheRed said:
Looks technically lacking but my god he’s an absolute unit at 17. We’ll see how he develops in the U-21’s next season.
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Technically he looks very, very sound. His body position for receiving the ball looks excellent, always opening his body slightly so he can control into space. He shielded the ball very well on 2-3 occasions with confident close control and turns. His passing technique is good on what looks like an absolutely horrible pitch, although it was all in the short to mid range, so no real opportunity to see if he has long range passing ability. His spatial awareness looked good, and he was scanning appropriately as the ball came to him on most occasions.


All in all he looks well equipped for CM, but nothing particularly advanced technically on show with that video. His "special ability" appears to be his apparent maturity for 17, his positional awareness looked far beyond what you'd expect from a 17 year old, things like knowing where a gap was about to form and how to receive a ball in order to stay clear of his marker. He looked very composed.
 
Hardcastle said:
In that video he has 100% pass completion. I guess we'll have to tell the scouts to look for players with 110% pass completion in the future.



Technically he looks very, very sound. His body position for receiving the ball looks excellent, always opening his body slightly so he can control into space. He shielded the ball very well on 2-3 occasions with confident close control and turns. His passing technique is good on what looks like an absolutely horrible pitch, although it was all in the short to mid range, so no real opportunity to see if he has long range passing ability. His spatial awareness looked good, and he was scanning appropriately as the ball came to him on most occasions.


All in all he looks well equipped for CM, but nothing particularly advanced technically on show with that video. His "special ability" appears to be his apparent maturity for 17, his positional awareness looked far beyond what you'd expect from a 17 year old, things like knowing where a gap was about to form and how to receive a ball in order to stay clear of his marker. He looked very composed.
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But some of his passes are very slow, bouncing everywhere, and off target (even if they make it to the player eventually). For the level he's playing it's fine, but in the pl those type of passes get caught out.
 
Hammondo said:
That's fair, is he usually much better technically?
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I have no idea. I've only watched a few highlights at youth level and that video.
It hard to appreciate any player, nevermind a defensive midfielder based on limited tape.

I will say he looks to have gotten taller and more physical than the last footage I saw.
 
Hardcastle said:
In that video he has 100% pass completion. I guess we'll have to tell the scouts to look for players with 110% pass completion in the future.



Technically he looks very, very sound. His body position for receiving the ball looks excellent, always opening his body slightly so he can control into space. He shielded the ball very well on 2-3 occasions with confident close control and turns. His passing technique is good on what looks like an absolutely horrible pitch, although it was all in the short to mid range, so no real opportunity to see if he has long range passing ability. His spatial awareness looked good, and he was scanning appropriately as the ball came to him on most occasions.


All in all he looks well equipped for CM, but nothing particularly advanced technically on show with that video. His "special ability" appears to be his apparent maturity for 17, his positional awareness looked far beyond what you'd expect from a 17 year old, things like knowing where a gap was about to form and how to receive a ball in order to stay clear of his marker. He looked very composed.
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Marvellous. Amazing how little this is valued, at least in English/British football. And a little scan before receiving it will also do wonders. Makes the game so much easier, especially in CM, gives you that extra beat or two of time and space.

My favourite ever at receiving a pass was Dragan Stojkovic. He bounced into position like a tennis player receiving serve, always ready to set off immediately forwards on the attack before the ball got to him. Beautiful footballer.
 
RedEarth said:
Marvellous. Amazing how little this is valued, at least in English/British football. And a little scan before receiving it will also do wonders. Makes the game so much easier, especially in CM, gives you that extra beat or two of time and space.

My favourite ever at receiving a pass was Dragan Stojkovic. He bounced into position like a tennis player receiving serve, always ready to set off immediately forwards on the attack before the ball got to him. Beautiful footballer.
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Try to reach the kids to take the ball on the half turn, after having scanned around them, then play the way they are looking if they didn’t do either of the above. 3 very simple instructions and they follow none :lol:
 
This guy is most likely going to get loaned out to one of our other clubs after 6/12 months of U23 and acclimatising to europe /the U.K.

I would say his arrival means Kone will be back out on hopefully a more productive loan next season at whatever level it takes to get him real experience in senior football.
 
Ali Dia said:
This guy is most likely going to get loaned out to one of our other clubs after 6/12 months of U23 and acclimatising to europe /the U.K.

I would say his arrival means Kone will be back out on hopefully a more productive loan next season at whatever level it takes to get him real experience in senior football.
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Yeah hoping that's gonna be the plan
 
Champ said:
The sort of signing most people on here have a go at the club for not doing, and laud Brighton for doing,
yet when the club do actually sign these players people on here have a go and say he's not worth it or isn't a stand out player already...
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Agree, always somewhat of a gamble with young players, but pretty much every summer the mention of young signings....the general response is they are either not good enough or too young....general response i got starting a thread on desire doue summer he moved and majority of similar comments now for the likes of mateus mane for example. We just dont seem to do the young players breaking through signings now. Liepzig have had obvious success and to a higher degree with very mixed success madrid are. I really like the model they have of loaning or selling with buy back clauses they are doing. Endrick, Nicolas Paz and midfielder whose name i forget....they have some great options to resign this summer for peanuts
 
jesperjaap said:
Agree, always somewhat of a gamble with young players, but pretty much every summer the mention of young signings....the general response is they are either not good enough or too young....general response i got starting a thread on desire doue summer he moved and majority of similar comments now for the likes of mateus mane for example. We just dont seem to do the young players breaking through signings now. Liepzig have had obvious success and to a higher degree with very mixed success madrid are. I really like the model they have of loaning or selling with buy back clauses they are doing. Endrick, Nicolas Paz and midfielder whose name i forget....they have some great options to resign this summer for peanuts
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I think the problem with us is we don't do it enough, volume wise. We need to see a prolonged period of taking chances of these players at varying points of development. We seem to have done that with the striker dept to a degree, but it's either a 70m Sesko or a compensation deal for Janneh, Kana-Biyik, Obi, etc. Orozco can't even leave Colombia until he's 18, Kone came straight from Mali, Leon from Paraguay. We need to keep getting them, and sprinkle in a tier above too.

That being said, looks like we're heading that direction, but keen to see a bit more variance in our recruitment.
 
jesperjaap said:
We just dont seem to do the young players breaking through signings now.
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It is a tricky thing these days I guess. I mean, United as it is is kind of a pressure cooker. That was obviously always the case, but when we were successful (many moons ago) there was a very very established team that had no issue taking one or two young and promising players into the mixture while maintaining a high level of functionality as a team. These days, even the 1st team struggles to be really functional, which is why young players a) often get big expectations dropped onto them (in connection with fast turn-against rates) and b) some coaches will rather go for more established players to grind out results.

I think, until we reach a certain degree of functionality, it makes sense to stay away from the wonderkid-kind of stories, biggest talent this or there, let the more successful clubs fight for them while we try to reduce the risk by still going for promising players but not the ultra-expensive ones that hurt your overall business as soon as they don't hit the road running. A team has to be ready to accomodate project-players. I'd happily do it and invest time into a very promising group but lets face it - the majority of the fan base doesn't care about anything but results in the here and now.
jesperjaap said:
Liepzig have had obvious success and to a higher degree with very mixed success madrid are. I really like the model they have of loaning or selling with buy back clauses they are doing. Endrick, Nicolas Paz and midfielder whose name i forget....they have some great options to resign this summer for peanuts
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You mean the Argentinian kid, Mastantuono?
 
NZT-One said:
It is a tricky thing these days I guess. I mean, United as it is is kind of a pressure cooker. That was obviously always the case, but when we were successful (many moons ago) there was a very very established team that had no issue taking one or two young and promising players into the mixture while maintaining a high level of functionality as a team. These days, even the 1st team struggles to be really functional, which is why young players a) often get big expectations dropped onto them (in connection with fast turn-against rates) and b) some coaches will rather go for more established players to grind out results.

I think, until we reach a certain degree of functionality, it makes sense to stay away from the wonderkid-kind of stories, biggest talent this or there, let the more successful clubs fight for them while we try to reduce the risk by still going for promising players but not the ultra-expensive ones that hurt your overall business as soon as they don't hit the road running. A team has to be ready to accomodate project-players. I'd happily do it and invest time into a very promising group but lets face it - the majority of the fan base doesn't care about anything but results in the here and now.

You mean the Argentinian kid, Mastantuono?
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Chema Andres.
 
Lash said:
I think the problem with us is we don't do it enough, volume wise. We need to see a prolonged period of taking chances of these players at varying points of development. We seem to have done that with the striker dept to a degree, but it's either a 70m Sesko or a compensation deal for Janneh, Kana-Biyik, Obi, etc. Orozco can't even leave Colombia until he's 18, Kone came straight from Mali, Leon from Paraguay. We need to keep getting them, and sprinkle in a tier above too.

That being said, looks like we're heading that direction, but keen to see a bit more variance in our recruitment.
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I dont think theres any middle ground though...16/17year old youths or big money 21/22year olds already established...dont see deals for players breaking through like a doue, mane...we are monitoring them after tgey move to brighton like caicedo at brighton, fernandes at southampton...no shrewd deals
 
NZT-One said:
It is a tricky thing these days I guess. I mean, United as it is is kind of a pressure cooker. That was obviously always the case, but when we were successful (many moons ago) there was a very very established team that had no issue taking one or two young and promising players into the mixture while maintaining a high level of functionality as a team. These days, even the 1st team struggles to be really functional, which is why young players a) often get big expectations dropped onto them (in connection with fast turn-against rates) and b) some coaches will rather go for more established players to grind out results.

I think, until we reach a certain degree of functionality, it makes sense to stay away from the wonderkid-kind of stories, biggest talent this or there, let the more successful clubs fight for them while we try to reduce the risk by still going for promising players but not the ultra-expensive ones that hurt your overall business as soon as they don't hit the road running. A team has to be ready to accomodate project-players. I'd happily do it and invest time into a very promising group but lets face it - the majority of the fan base doesn't care about anything but results in the here and now.

You mean the Argentinian kid, Mastantuono?
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Yes they are fair points. I think that ties into the feeling for me we have never done the right window in term of number of deals...it seems yet again, ideally we need 7/8 signings...we will probably do 5 max and overspend on half the signings....so the teams never complete and cycle repeats, especially as half our buys have been poor.
I do think ineos to be fair are improving on our transfers but signings like orozco and kone feel a year or two early where as others a year or two late price wise. Id like 2/3 big signings and 3/4 cheaper players breaking through like a mane, manzambi as example....oh chema andre is the midfielder
 
jesperjaap said:
Yes they are fair points. I think that ties into the feeling for me we have never done the right window in term of number of deals...it seems yet again, ideally we need 7/8 signings...we will probably do 5 max and overspend on half the signings....so the teams never complete and cycle repeats, especially as half our buys have been poor.
I do think ineos to be fair are improving on our transfers but signings like orozco and kone feel a year or two early where as others a year or two late price wise. Id like 2/3 big signings and 3/4 cheaper players breaking through like a mane, manzambi as example....oh chema andre is the midfielder
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Completely agree. Especially with the number of needed signing. I am optimistic about INEOS to a degree, I think, the players they do select seem pretty good, I am still a bit doubtful about prioritization and values - feels a bit like INEOS is trying to be a bit too safe for my liking. I mean, if we had the last few years of say Real Madrid, I'd get why the decision makers would be hesitant to get rid of elements with no future here - in our situation though, it almost baffles me. They seem to always go the safe route - extend Maguire, bring in expensive PL-proven players - all of that is not wrong per se, but if you allocate your resources like that, it will take forever until you assemble a unit where each part is really up for it. The team won't just improve by adding great players to it. We don't struggle against Sunderland, because their players are much better. It is because they manage to play better as a team. And thats a lost craft to a huge chunk of the current team. And given some of their ages, a lost cause to try to "repair".
Who's Kissing Cameras? said:
Chema Andres.
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Ah, got it! Thanks
 
jesperjaap said:
I dont think theres any middle ground though...16/17year old youths or big money 21/22year olds already established...dont see deals for players breaking through like a doue, mane...we are monitoring them after tgey move to brighton like caicedo at brighton, fernandes at southampton...no shrewd deals
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Dorgu and Lammens are surely this though - both relatively young players from smaller clubs in smaller leagues for relatively mid-sized fees (c.£20-25mil), similar to the kinds of players and fees Brighton, Bournemouth, Sunderland etc. have been doing, who United then get linked to for twice as much once they are nearer to 25.

Doue cost PSG £45mil btw.
 
goldenboy said:
Dorgu and Lammens are surely this though - both relatively young players from smaller clubs in smaller leagues for relatively mid-sized fees (c.£20-25mil), similar to the kinds of players and fees Brighton, Bournemouth, Sunderland etc. have been doing, who United then get linked to for twice as much once they are nearer to 25.

Doue cost PSG £45mil btw.
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And Heaven
 
jesperjaap said:
I dont think theres any middle ground though...16/17year old youths or big money 21/22year olds already established...dont see deals for players breaking through like a doue, mane...we are monitoring them after tgey move to brighton like caicedo at brighton, fernandes at southampton...no shrewd deals
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There are though, Lammens and Dorgus are the best examples of that that's we've done. Inter got a fantastic player in Sucic directly from Croatia, there's Mouzakitis, Stankovic and the likes knocking about in lower European leagues that wouldn't really cost the world and would still have some resale if they don't make it.
 
Lash said:
Inter got a fantastic player in Sucic directly from Croatia, there's Mouzakitis, Stankovic and the likes knocking about in lower European leagues that wouldn't really cost the world and would still have some resale if they don't make it
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You mention Inter there, yet refer to Stankovic as "knocking about in lower European leagues" - Inter have a buy-back clause on him and apparently plan to use him next season. Sadly it seems unlikely they would sell, and if they do it would take a significant fee.

Sucic was obviously a bargain for them. Stojkovic and Breljo could also be decent pick-ups for somebody from Zagreb, though might not be right for United.

I'm unconvinced Mouzakitis is all that tbh. Don't see how he would fit at United at any rate.
 
goldenboy said:
You mention Inter there, yet refer to Stankovic as "knocking about in lower European leagues" - Inter have a buy-back clause on him and apparently plan to use him next season. Sadly it seems unlikely they would sell, and if they do it would take a significant fee.

Sucic was obviously a bargain for them. Stojkovic and Breljo could also be decent pick-ups for somebody from Zagreb, though might not be right for United.

I'm unconvinced Mouzakitis is all that tbh. Don't see how he would fit at United at any rate.
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I just meant the profile in those leagues. Could have said De Cat or others in that league. Not specifically for United, but the sort of profile that goes for a relatively big fee for those leagues, but not huge money for the prem.

I think he needs a lot of moulding, don't really know what role he'd have at a higher level. Definitely got talent though.
 
Lash said:
I just meant the profile in those leagues. Could have said De Cat or others in that league.
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Then say "De Cat"...

It wasn't really accurate or fair to say Stankovic was "knocking around" given the circumstances.
 
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