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I accept that point, I'd say that Ronaldo at Real Madrid had a system based around him for 10 years and didn't have a player to replace him in that system. Juventus he came into a new system and it was disrupted the balance of the rest of the team in favour of him, similar thing is happening at United.
Or you know be more like Cavani who works hard and scores
Glad you realised I’m right and you’re wrong.
Pretty much, while so many fanboys were happy and over the moon, I was sad over him coming back and benching Cavani just when he was playing great.
Can't you bloody see how it's stupid to ask other players to press on behalf of your GOAT?
The thing is, how similar is it? Juventus won the league in Ronaldo's first season, they were 20 points clear at the top of the table. They won it in his second season too, though a much narrower victory. It's not like he signed and they became total shit. It was after a few seasons and an accumulation of dubious transfers and appointments that the wheels came off.
Man City don't need a striker to score lots of goals and win things, Chelsea won the Champions League without a striker. You can play skilful players that also work hard. Bernardo Silva is one of the best players in the league at the moment because he is an amazing dribbler but also runs all day. De Bruyne has always been like that to. You have Benzema, who is the ideal all-round striker that would really improve United now if he swapped places with Ronaldo. You can get worth out of Ronaldo still, but it has to be in a specific system where the whole team has to change for him. United don't have the players for that.
Not only were they 20 points clear, they were on course to attain record breaking points in the league before they stopped trying around March of that season when they all but won it. They probably would’ve gone all the way in the CL too if not for injuries to key players against Ajax and costly mistakes by 1 or 2 players.
I never said such a thing at all. Not once.
So you think a centre forwards tackling is more important than a midfielders when a forward has to do so much more?
Ronaldo would wreck the league if he went to City. One problem so far City has this season is that they don't have a goalscorer. Our problem isn't Ronaldo. Put Messi up top, Lewandowski, it doesn't matter. Nothing is changing while we use these incoherent tactics and manager.
Ronaldo would have a big negative impact on City's ability to function as a pressing unit though, which is central to how they play.
All are important. If one person doesn't do it at all and is the lowest in the league - it will have consequences on the players that play next to him and behind him.
I agree, Jesus in particular puts in the donkey work and Foden links up the play in a way that Ronaldo never does anymore. Ronaldo would have bagged himself 5 or 6 goals, but City would have conceded 3 or 4 more overall, possibly costing them a few points, and Foden would be joining their many other stars on the bench.
Even in Pep's amazing Barcelona team, which was miles better than current City, Messi was never the particular presser. In Bayern Lewandowski hardly presses. These players know their role. Conte, the most touted manager to replace Ole, for example, used Lukaku to amazing efficiency despite his pressing stats being equivalent to that of Ronaldo. I don't know where this pressing talk comes from. First time i'm hearing we were an efficient pressing side pre-Ronaldo. How is Ronaldo at fault for Liverpool (and every team in the world with much lesser players) carving our midfield and defence like nobody's business? Ronaldo can have prime Rooney workrate's and it wouldn't change absolutely nothing. This individual player blaming, born out of desperation to find the cause of why we play so bad, is simply astonishing to watch given that the obvious answer is staring everyone right in the face. You can't play good football or win matches with a manager whose CV is that of managing Molde and getting Cardiff relegated and has to ASK the players what is wrong with the team rather than figuring it out himself.
I think you need to take a step back you are sounding a little irrational now.All are important. If one person doesn't do it at all and is the lowest in the league - it will have consequences on the players that play next to him and behind him.
If a player never passes does it have an effect on the team mates he players with. Ofcouse.
Why do you think a player that is our central striker but does not position himself as a central striker (so the ball playing CB'S of our opposition get all the time in the world) and has the lowest pressing numbers won't have an influence on how the rest of our players play and press?
Is it that complex
Say Cavani starts instead of Ronaldo - he positions himself directly in between Van dijk and their other CB and goes for the press when necessary.
He is blocking 2 players with his positioning and pressing.
what does this do to Greenwood? Greenwood doesn't need to press like we saw in the first Liverpool goal. Neither does AWB go for high press of their fullback which leads to the reshuffling of our CB'S and Luke Shaw.
It's something very very very simple that you refuse to see.
You do not want to see it.
Cavani pressed 10 times a game more than Ronaldo, the opening for Liverpool’s first goal wouldn't have happened because he would be stopping the freedom of the CB's and Greenwood can concentrate on Robertson.
Very simple stuff but something else happened where its everyone else's fault except bloody Ronaldo's. Why oh why the dick riding?
People can't dick ride Ole for being an ex legend of the club and watch how things slowly change for United and people riding Ronaldo like he is perfect like the Ole inners did.
No different.
Good post.
Now answer me.
You said Ronaldo was at fault for the goals I’ve pointed out that is not the case and you still persist with your narrative that Ronaldo is the problem.
How did you point of shit?
His positioning was pretty good for the goal that won us the game yeah.How did you point of shit?
I just as much pointed out showing Ronaldo was at fault for our goals showing you bloody videos and replays - your saying Ronaldo is not at fault because we let in goals against Atalanta and he actually pressed a bit more that day!
What about his positioning? Was his positioning on the central defenders as highlighted on the videos? I doubt it because he attacks at an angle. Your case is dismissed and back to stage one
One game against Atalant is your proof. Wow. Nothing against anybody else whilst my proof is there vs alot of teams.
Doesn't mean we won't let in a goal because hey this is bloody football but it doesn't mean Ronaldo doesn't give us a problem when he plays.
Love how this video was ignored
Oh yeah Bailly. Then Bailly Lindelof vs Liverpool.
Your ego is growing but for the fact Ole was in charge sums you up today.
Still, I don't see why people are bringing up a match from last year where we lost 6-1 after Martial got sent of in the 28th minute
It’s not for the love of Ronaldo that’s school boy stuff at the back from Maguire and the defence nothing Ronaldo could have done there either.Still, I don't see why people are bringing up a match from last year where we lost 6-1 after Martial got sent of in the 28th minute
Purely for the love of Ronaldo.
Amazing stuff.
Should have kept Rooney.
Hell, I'd say the face that we took the lead vs Penalty on the first half before spurs shows the difference with us with Ronaldo. We can barely do that now, we can barely take the lead in the first half.
Fully agreed, there is a constant culture of blaming individual players and then switching to the next target once that initial target is dropped or out injured. (Pogba, Martial, now Ronaldo etc.). The real cause of the issues is very clear and needs to be addressed ASAP if we are to progress regardless of some people being in denial.
Probably would have if we kept him as our main goalscorer like last season than rather than turning him to be our creator from deep who has started to cross the ball to Ronaldo like he is Beckham every chance be gets.
Because that's the only way to convince agenda posters like you that our problems have been there way before Ronaldo. I can post videos of shocking, absolutely school boy defending from Maguire and Shaw in the last 3 matches as well but again, you'll spin it to be Ronaldo's fault somehow.Still, I don't see why people are bringing up a match from last year where we lost 6-1 after Martial got sent of in the 28th minute
Aw don’t get me started on that bullshit you try to spin about Bruno playing deeper when it’s just not true anyone with eyes can see that, if anything Bruno is not deep enough and leaving the midfield exposed. You can’t play 4 attacker all of a sudden after spending two years playing counter attacking football it’s any wonder the players heads are spinning.
Wholly crap. There is a difference to pressing and where he plays with the ball. Pressing means he does not have the ball
Bullshit. There’s no way Ronaldo’s minimal pressing is costing his team points single-handedly. That’s an absurd claim. he’s the most advanced player on the pitch ffs. If he was at City, Pep (an actual coach) would’ve found a way to make it work like Zidane did, like Allegri did and all the decent coaches that had success with him did despite his minimal effort at the back.
I’ve come to the conclusion you know absolutely feck all about football.Wholly crap. There is a difference to pressing and where he plays with the ball. Pressing means he does not have the ball
Infact the fact that he leaves his position to press in front of Ronaldo shows he is playing a bit deeper than he should
Never did this well say last season you know before the god joined.
Likewise. You know crap all about football.
