Cristiano Ronaldo - 971/1000

Riverized157 said:
I’m just replying to people quoting or mentioning my post: I’m not even Catholic, let alone on some crusade.

Ronaldo can be annoying at times and he’s not exactly the sharpest tool in the box. But you can’t question his commitment, discipline, or his obsession with being the best.

In a sport where you see talents like Neymar, Dele Alli, and even Ronaldinho (to an extent) go to waste, I genuinely admire his work ethic.

The same applies to Messi: at 37/38, he’s still the heart and soul of Argentina.

This is a forum, so we’re supposed to argue our points, and it’s healthy to disagree.

What I find odd - and what I originally pointed out - is the lengths some people go to discredit Ronaldo. It almost feels personal.
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The crusade notion was more related to these aspects: Not adressing that Cris, his fans and the media around him made a better case of annoying people that are even without help not fans or even merely by standers regarding liking the player or not, it's out there to be seen since ages.
More or less what Harms said in the above post. And the other stuff I've called a Crusade, was to try to make look better the Saudi League, it won't happen, even if actually the Saudi League was fantastique, there is a prejudice against the Bundesliga, French and Spanish league, imagine the MLS or the Saudi. Maybe more than the concept I've tried of Crusade, a Dom Quixote quote would have been more accurate.

PD: As a side note, Cris likes more than anyone to make it personal, so at some level, it comes back, fair or not at times.
PD2: @harms is one of the nicest, more knowledgeable fellas around, you'll see.
 
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Riverized157 said:
I’m just replying to people quoting or mentioning my post: I’m not even Catholic, let alone on some crusade.

Ronaldo can be annoying at times and he’s not exactly the sharpest tool in the box. But you can’t question his commitment, discipline, or his obsession with being the best.

In a sport where you see talents like Neymar, Dele Alli, and even Ronaldinho (to an extent) go to waste, I genuinely admire his work ethic.

The same applies to Messi: at 37/38, he’s still the heart and soul of Argentina.

This is a forum, so we’re supposed to argue our points, and it’s healthy to disagree.

What I find odd - and what I originally pointed out - is the lengths some people go to discredit Ronaldo. It almost feels personal.
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No one ever has. People have suggested that his high standards and obsessive nature are fueled by narcissism, and that due to Ronaldo's profile, his teammates are forced to play a subservient role to help Ronaldo fulfill his personal goals, often to the greater detriment of the team. The reason the criticism of Ronaldo feels "personal" to you is that his personality is quite odious to many people, due to his childishness and inability to play a team/squad role, and this personality impacts his choices and behaviors in the football world, which is what most people actually care about. It isn't actually that complicated or controversial, once you make peace with the idea that 1) not everyone finds preening narcissism to be a positive trait, and 2) people don't have some kind of personal vendetta against Ronaldo, any more than they might have an agenda for LeBron James for many of the same reasons.
 
Riverized157 said:
What I find odd - and what I originally pointed out - is the lengths some people go to discredit Ronaldo. It almost feels personal.
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Just like I find the lengths you're going to weirdly glaze of the Saudi league, of all things, to be quite odd.

Ronaldo's pre-retirement project is just that. He's stat-padding for the sake of stat-padding in a journeyman league. The 20 years he spent in actual top flight leagues determined where he sits in the pantheon of footballing greats and is pretty set in stone at this point. His legacy will not fundamentally change based on what he does in these last couple of seasons of his career, unless he against all odds has a miraculous World Cup and leads Portugal all the way, but again, since that'd be in an international tournament the Saudi league will remain as irrelevant as it always is in that case. Going out of your way to argue that the league is something it isn't seems like a giant waste of time, especially if it's built on arguments that crumble under the slightest amount of scrutiny.
 
Fobal said:
He has valid points in general comparisons and the demerit they tend to create, yet he just can't recognize that at a certain point Cris made quite a lot helping to be the subject of various puns. Not that peopel taht dislike any player needs any help, yet in hsi case, he tends to give a hand.

Yet the lad is in a crusade. Plus he forgot Muller and Son in MLS that made some noise in Europe. In any case I agree that the Saudi League has better names, some teams have fellas that can still be very competent anywhere and on the other hand the MLS has at least some college and Mexican/South American influence that creates a better know how in the background, we'll see if they start to actually attract young Brazilian, Uruguayan and Argie players in the future instead of Mexico, Brazil or Europe, as the more frequent destinations. That would make them become better (as an argie I'm not that thrilled, I'm tired of loosing players to other leagues).

In any case both leagues in terms of actual development are in diapers (even if the USA one goes back to COSMOS and such) and has a lot to work in their youth development to become stronger or better said, with better games in general. After all, football is football (almost) everywhere. Even with fellas as Falcon doing their thing and cia in both leagues, there is quite a good share of stamina and physical demanding conditions in both. It really should not be sthg to talk much about, the most important aspect if we are talking about Cristiano and Messi is how fit they are, how are they playing, because even at whatever level they are, they are still making their thing with lots of younger fellas around with or without exprience not doing the same, in a way that also does not make them look out of place in International football so far.
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The bit in red above is key: every league has learned you cannot have a strong league if you are only focused on bringing in big names at the cost of competitiveness, fiscal responsibility, the rest of the players, etc. MLS tried that route before, China did, India had the super league for awhile, etc. If Saudi Arabia lost their government funding, like LIV Golf did, the league would go bankrupt and fold. Therefore, at its core, as a stable league, objectively, it can't be better than MLS. It's not real...

The other poster pointing to a bunch of random - mostly has-been or never-were - players doesn't make sense for two more reasons:
  • If the quality of a league is only found in the top 5% of players then you'd also say that the Dutch and Portuguese leagues are weaker than the Saudi Arabia league which isn't close to being true.
  • Most of those players are treating the Saudi league as a vacation. Yes, some might have come with big reputations, but they are not at the same level they once were. The Championship is filled with former Premier League players who are over 30 - doesn't mean they can claim to be a league with "Premier League quality."
Years ago, MLS pivoted to focus on three things:
  • Building a league that can survive and not fold because the money isn't there and debt increases
  • Becoming a feeder league like Portugal and the Netherlands, but MLS is trying to focus on Central and South America
  • Finding a way to tap into all the talent in the US that usually goes undiscovered, so they are investing in academies and are seeing notable wins
They're finding success in all three.
 
8 post replies for talking positively about C Ronaldo :lol: Part of me think the hatred is coming from people who pay more attention to him more so than his fans does :lol:

8 people talking about why fans of Ronaldo all talk of him the same whilst the people who hate him do the exact same thing. Like where is the IQ good lord.

It's also weird how people can call me a virgin and not get a warning on this thread, but if I asked @Rockets Redglare wife or husband who they would rather sleep with, I'm sure they would say Ronaldo over him.

:lol:

Watch me get a warning when it was the other guy who said bad things about me first. But no he is anti Ronaldo so will get a like.

The hatred for Ronaldo is ridiculously funny and a signs of own weaknesses in life.:)

If someone is narcissistic, the last thing people should be doing is giving him more attention. Even if this is a forum, the amount of attention he gets from people here trying to talk bad about him completely devalues a person's own ability to deal with narcissism.

Act like you don't give a sh*t and let his fans talk good about him rather than everytime he scores talking about the quality of the Saudi Arabian league because its a worthless war no one can win.

Everyone's made their mind up on this guy both in terms of mentality and footballing ability. No ones going to change that when he is 42.

It's just weird there's more negative posts here than positive posts - like a clique of those nerdy, slightly obese inbetweeners like kids in the corner hating on the cool dude that keeps getting attention.

If he's hurting you so much then stop paying attention and focus on creating the next Facebook or some sh*t.

See you haters the next time he scores aswell. :confused: The complete opposite thing you should be doing.
 
kobbie meh noo? said:
8 post replies for talking positively about C Ronaldo :lol: Part of me think the hatred is coming from people who pay more attention to him more so than his fans does :lol:

8 people talking about why fans of Ronaldo all talk of him the same whilst the people who hate him do the exact same thing. Like where is the IQ good lord.

It's also weird how people can call me a virgin and not get a warning on this thread, but if I asked @Rockets Redglare wife or husband who they would rather sleep with, I'm sure they would say Ronaldo over him.

:lol:

Watch me get a warning when it was the other guy who said bad things about me first. But no he is anti Ronaldo so will get a like.

The hatred for Ronaldo is ridiculously funny and a signs of own weaknesses in life.:)

If someone is narcissistic, the last thing people should be doing is giving him more attention. Even if this is a forum, the amount of attention he gets from people here trying to talk bad about him completely devalues a person's own ability to deal with narcissism.

Act like you don't give a sh*t and let his fans talk good about him rather than everytime he scores talking about the quality of the Saudi Arabian league because its a worthless war no one can win.

Everyone's made their mind up on this guy both in terms of mentality and footballing ability. No ones going to change that when he is 42.

It's just weird there's more negative posts here than positive posts - like a clique of those nerdy, slightly obese inbetweeners like kids in the corner hating on the cool dude that keeps getting attention.

If he's hurting you so much then stop paying attention and focus on creating the next Facebook or some sh*t.

See you haters the next time he scores aswell. :confused: The complete opposite thing you should be doing.
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You would like to be inside Ronaldo, wouldn’t you?

I find it funny that this guy writes exactly how I imagine Ronaldo himself would.
 
Riverized157 said:
Al-Nassr: Cristiano Ronaldo, João Félix, Sadio Mané, Kingsley Coman, Marcelo Brozović, Jhon Durán, Martínez.

Al-Hilal: Karim Benzema, Darwin Núñez, Rúben Neves, Theo Hernández, Yassine Bounou, Kalidou Koulibaly, João Cancelo (loaned to Barcelona), Sergej Milinković-Savić

Al-Ahli: Ivan Toney, Riyad Mahrez, Merih Demiral, Galeno, Roger Ibañez, Franck Kessié, Edouard Mendy, Enzo Millot

Al-Ittihad: Youssef En-Nesyri, Moussa Diaby, Fabinho, Houssem Aouar, Danilo Pereira, Steven Bergwijn, Roger Fernandes, George Ilenikhena

Al-Qadisiyah: Julián Quiñones, Mateo Retegui, Otávio, Nacho Fernández, Julian Weigl, Nahitan Nández

Beyond these squads, you still have players like Alexandre Lacazette, Abdoulaye Doucouré, Ousmane Dembélé, Georginio Wijnaldum, Chris Smalling, Santiago Mosquera, Joshua King, and others spread across the league.

There are also high-profile coaches such as Brendan Rodgers, Sérgio Conceição, Simone Inzaghi, Christophe Galtier, and Matthias Jaissle.

When I look at MLS, by contrast, I see top scorers this season like Hugo Cuypers, Petar Musa (who was a third option at Benfica), and Sam Surridge.

With the exception of Inter Miami, there are very few players who have achieved anything of real significance in major European leagues.
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harms said:
Do you, do you really?
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This is what happens when you rely on ChatGPT to create your arguments for you.
 
kobbie meh noo? said:
8 post replies for talking positively about C Ronaldo :lol: Part of me think the hatred is coming from people who pay more attention to him more so than his fans does :lol:

8 people talking about why fans of Ronaldo all talk of him the same whilst the people who hate him do the exact same thing. Like where is the IQ good lord.

It's also weird how people can call me a virgin and not get a warning on this thread, but if I asked @Rockets Redglare wife or husband who they would rather sleep with, I'm sure they would say Ronaldo over him.

:lol:

Watch me get a warning when it was the other guy who said bad things about me first. But no he is anti Ronaldo so will get a like.

The hatred for Ronaldo is ridiculously funny and a signs of own weaknesses in life.:)

If someone is narcissistic, the last thing people should be doing is giving him more attention. Even if this is a forum, the amount of attention he gets from people here trying to talk bad about him completely devalues a person's own ability to deal with narcissism.

Act like you don't give a sh*t and let his fans talk good about him rather than everytime he scores talking about the quality of the Saudi Arabian league because its a worthless war no one can win.

Everyone's made their mind up on this guy both in terms of mentality and footballing ability. No ones going to change that when he is 42.

It's just weird there's more negative posts here than positive posts - like a clique of those nerdy, slightly obese inbetweeners like kids in the corner hating on the cool dude that keeps getting attention.

If he's hurting you so much then stop paying attention and focus on creating the next Facebook or some sh*t.

See you haters the next time he scores aswell. :confused: The complete opposite thing you should be doing.
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If I had a pound for every time you used a needless emoji I would have £5. Which is great because I could then buy a cheap hammer from B&Q and bludgeon myself to death with it.
 
"Narcissists enjoy when you call them pathetic because they just want attention" doesn't sound like a very compelling argument, but I'd say we should definitely stop paying attention to that one pathetic poster.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
This is what happens when you rely on ChatGPT to create your arguments for you.
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Sure, that was it! I just asked ChatGPT for a neatly organized list of big-name players by team, the coaches, and the top three scorers! Also making sure one of them had played for my team, of course. At this point, I’m basically one step away from asking it to tie my shoelaces too.
 
Riverized157 said:
Sure, that was it! I just asked ChatGPT for a neatly organized list of big-name players by team, the coaches, and the top three scorers! Also making sure one of them had played for my team, of course. At this point, I’m basically one step away from asking it to tie my shoelaces too.
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Had you down as a crocs kinda guy
 
Fobal said:
The crusade notion was more related to these aspects: Not adressing that Cris, his fans and the media around him made a better case of annoying people that are even without help not fans or even merely by standers regarding liking the player or not, it's out there to be seen since ages.
More or less what Harms said in the above post. And the other stuff I've called a Crusade, was to try to make look better the Saudi League, it won't happen, even if actually the Saudi League was fantastique, there is a prejudice against the Bundesliga, French and Spanish league, imagine the MLS or the Saudi. Maybe more than the concept I've tried of Crusade, a Dom Quixote quote would have been more accurate.

PD: As a side note, Cris likes more than anyone to make it personal, so at some level, it comes back, fair or not at times.
PD2: @harms is one of the nicest, more knowledgeable fellas around, you'll see.
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I never said the Saudi League is a top league. I only said that, in my opinion, it is better than the MLS in this day and age.

Even so, I agree that it is much more sustainable in the long run - and better for the league’s future - to operate the way MLS is doing today.

I also said that there are 4 to 5 teams with a very good, competitive core of players. That’s it. The “debate” started because of a post implying that Ronaldo wasn’t even able to perform in the Saudi League, using just a short clip as proof: which is by no means true.

I also accept Harms’ arguments as very valid, especially regarding Ronaldo’s personality and some of his public statements, which are not easy to swallow. The pro-Trump publicity stunt is very, very hard to accept for any Portuguese fan - and I would even say for many Europeans - who are living with the consequences of Trump’s megalomaniacal decisions and erratic rhetoric.

That said, the fact that I don’t like a player’s personality shouldn’t lead me to downplay everything he has achieved on the football field, even to irrational extremes. But then again, I can understand the bias.
 
The videos of him on TikTok lately over the last couple of games are bad, like really really bad. It’s like he has no balance whatsoever. I think the time is near. There’s no way he should be part of portugals World Cup squad.
 
honirelandboy said:
The videos of him on TikTok lately are bad, like really really bad. It’s like he has no balance whatsoever. I think the time is near. I can’t see him hitting the 1000
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Seriously? He will absolutely hit it and quit it.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Seriously? He will absolutely hit it and quit it.
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Honestly it’s brutal watching it. He’s just falling over himself with the ball at his feet. He’s completely cooked and takes a minute for him to get a shot off. Hes done
 
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honirelandboy said:
The videos of him on TikTok lately over the last couple of games are bad, like really really bad. It’s like he has no balance whatsoever. I think the time is near. There’s no way he should be part of portugals World Cup squad.
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He still will be, though. Coach wouldn't dare not play him.
 
honirelandboy said:
Honestly it’s brutal watching it. He’s just falling over himself with the ball at his feet. He’s completely cooked and takes a minute for him to get a shot off. Hes done
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Nearly pissed myself laughing watching him berating his teammates after randomly falling over.
 
Joel Miller said:
Nearly 42 years old by the way!

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It's incredible. I bet you can say anything about his wife, his family, trying to piss him off and you won't get it. But it takes nothing to some random 13 year old kids to chant "Messi, Messi" and the guy loses it completely. It's incredible he's like 42 years of age and turns into an angry 7 years old kid, and it always happens.
 
Nicoteiro said:
It's incredible. I bet you can say anything about his wife, his family, trying to piss him off and you won't get it. But it takes nothing to some random 13 year old kids to chant "Messi, Messi" and the guy loses it completely. It's incredible he's like 42 years of age and turns into an angry 7 years old kid, and it always happens.
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I find it bizarre that a professional footballer who has been playing for over 20 years - and spent the majority of his career playing at the highest level - is so thin skinned and sensitive.
 
Joel Miller said:
Nearly 42 years old by the way!

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Damn, son.

I am reminded of the spontaneous burst of genuine joy from Ronaldo as he was surprised to see Fergie waiting for him as he came down the stadium steps from collecting his Euro 2016 medal. That felt like a beautiful cap to a wonderful career, the final act in the development of the Bambi from Madeira. He could have gone to Juventus/United and called it a day a few years back, and he'd actually be more fondly remembered than he will when he finally calls time on this lounge act we're seeing from him in 2026.
 
Apparently Ron lost about 7 million followers during Instagram's bot/fake/inactive account purge, although some reports say it might be closer to 18 million.

Perhaps he's not as popular as he thinks?
 
DarkLord1984 said:
I find it bizarre that a professional footballer who has been playing for over 20 years - and spent the majority of his career playing at the highest level - is so thin skinned and sensitive.
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Incredibly successful footballer and one of the best, and richest, and most popular ever too. And still so, so insecure and petty. It's almost sad to see.
 
I get it that he did it many times, yet in the heat of the moment in a game any player can get angry at whatever, in this case might not be smart, but it happens, with anyone!.

Om the other hand really silly regarding Messi, was when he mentioned in a demerit style in several interviews, conferences with no real need to bring anything related to the little guy to the table, at times even in a not that subtle way without literally mentioning him.

That's indeed it's pretty inmature and silly when happens more than once and on every period of his carreer and not just a more understandeable one or two outbursts. No matter if at the same time he says also good stuff.

Yet like Ive said before, anything in a pitch can trigger anyone. No big deal
 
Is there any league where he could conceivably score the 25 goals in a season? Let's be honest, in any non-shite league he'll need good fortune and two years.
 
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