Cristiano Ronaldo - 976/1000 | Football only

Thing is, a proper coach and current Ronaldo are more or less mutually exclusive at this point.

The best deal he could possibly get would be bench and playing last 30 minutes if and when the occasion calls for it (which he'd never accept at least considering his past behavior), while in all probability he'd be told to just go away in order to avoid all the media circus that seems to follow him everywhere.
 
On the metrics you've listed, you'd have to say R7 was better than R9, wouldn't you?

I could bring up arguments about how defences are much weaker these days, how attackers are far more protected, how certain players only perform in tailor-made teams, and so on, but that's beside the point. I was simply pointing out that MOTM awards aren't a metric I'd personally use, although I agreed they can be used to support your opinion (providing it's against players of a similar era).

As I've said before, it all comes down to personal preference. For me, R9 is the greatest of all time, and no amount of statistics is going to change that. I can clearly see you think Messi is, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I would argue that modern defenses are better.
 
Thing is, a proper coach and current Ronaldo are more or less mutually exclusive at this point.

The best deal he could possibly get would be bench and playing last 30 minutes if and when the occasion calls for it (which he'd never accept at least considering his past behavior), while in all probability he'd be told to just go away in order to avoid all the media circus that seems to follow him everywhere.
This.

Could you imagine 1995's Fergie dealing with Ronaldo as he currently is?

He'd bin him so fast, he wouldn't know what hit him.
 
I like your post.

He has earned the right play for as long as he wants to. I would have been grateful as well, if my national team had a player like that.

It's a bit of an ambivalent feeling though. I appreciate the time he spent at the club, but at the same time I was utterly disappointed in him when he'd rather play for Madrid. Didn't understand it then and still don't.

There are things about him that I do not like. Doesn't change the fact that I love the guy for his passion and what he gave to Man Utd.

A truly incredible athlete.
That's not how it works.
 
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That's a low blow :lol:
 
That's not how it works.
It is. As long as he's not retired and the coaches keep selecting him.. You can't blame Ronaldo for wanting to represent his country for as long as possible.

It is a unique case though. Most people would've accepted that their level isn't good enough and called it quits. But, I don't think Ronaldo is quitting anything until he has at least a thousand goals. Or that Messi retires and he can't overtake his goal tally.
 
It is. As long as he's not retired and the coaches keep selecting him.. You can't blame Ronaldo for wanting to represent his country for as long as possible.

It is a unique case though. Most people would've accepted that their level isn't good enough and called it quits. But, I don't think Ronaldo is quitting anything until he has at least a thousand goals. Or that Messi retires and he can't overtake his goal tally.
I also think he's (obviously) more aware than anyone that as much as he's:

The most famous and recognisable active sportsman.
One of the most famous people on earth.
Still the biggest draw and headline grabber in worldwide sports...

Once he retires from football, he just isn't that important anymore. Football moves on, and he'll just be another ex-footballer. No amount of importance or fame carries over once you retire.

It's hard to imagine someone like Ronaldo post-retirement. What does that even look like? Does he start saying controversial things to stay relevant? Does he go into acting? Politics? Because surely he won't adjust well to not being anywhere near as important anymore.

So if he can still be wheeled out for the next Euros, he will.
 
I also think he's (obviously) more aware than anyone that as much as he's:

The most famous and recognisable active sportsman.
One of the most famous people on earth.
Still the biggest draw and headline grabber in worldwide sports...

Once he retires from football, he just isn't that important anymore. Football moves on, and he'll just be another ex-footballer. No amount of importance or fame carries over once you retire.

It's hard to imagine someone like Ronaldo post-retirement. What does that even look like? Does he start saying controversial things to stay relevant? Does he go into acting? Politics? Because surely he won't adjust well to not being anywhere near as important anymore.

So if he can still be wheeled out for the next Euros, he will.
You're right in saying that retirement won't sit well with him. It seems like he'd have no idea what to do with himself if he's not playing football.

But he can't drag this on forever. The idea of a 43 year old Ronaldo hobbling around at the next Euros is just sad.
 
It's hard to imagine someone like Ronaldo post-retirement. What does that even look like? Does he start saying controversial things to stay relevant?
Post-retirement? He’s been rehearsing for years, the controversial takes, constant zigzags and claims already nearing flat-earth levels of delusion with his fans.

If all fails, he'd still make a great politician, see below video..

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WBGs_Eq9Uk
 
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Didnt some Portuguese poster mention that actually a lot of the people (of Portugal) still want him in the team? Otherwise I cant imagine the local FA wouls keep doing this. It has turned into a political issue.
I haven't met a single person here who still wants him in the team, but then again I don't tend to associate with people who have been kicked in the head by horses so perhaps I don't have my finger fully on the pulse
 
I haven't met a single person here who still wants him in the team, but then again I don't tend to associate with people who have been kicked in the head by horses so perhaps I don't have my finger fully on the pulse
Then its even more bizarre, akin to a hostage situation.
 
Then its even more bizarre, akin to a hostage situation.
There are still devotees and the typical Portuguese still (understandably) has more truck with him than the average person, but the vast vast majority of the toxicity comes from his online manosphere-adjacent fanbase - and the FPF is still blinded by the eyeballs and marketing dosh he brings
 
His fanboys, fangirls and fanbots are typically lapping it up. I've never seen such a cultist following for any sportsperson.
This sort of discourse is not helpful - especially given that you will find far more detractors than supporters in this thread. Lets try to keep these discussions a bit constructive.
 
His fanboys, fangirls and fanbots are typically lapping it up. I've never seen such a cultist following for any sportsperson.
Good point. And having that level of craze going for him is what keeps him going in turn. There's absolutely no way he doesn't play the next Nations League and Euro. He will want to core the 1000th on an international stage, not hidden away in Dammam.
 
This sort of discourse is not helpful - especially given that you will find far more detractors than supporters in this thread. Lets try to keep these discussions a bit constructive.
Apologies but I don't think the quoted post is out of line. I am of course biased but it hardly feels problematic to point out that Ronaldo has a cult following when it's as Ann on the nose on Plain's face
 
The level of delusion from some people that can watch Portugal at this World Cup and say “Bruno Fernandes cost us” while completely ignoring Ronaldo and Martinez is ridiculous.

Portugal have to move on from this guy, as brilliant as he was. They have a World Cup in four years time FFS. Get rid of the media circus, the egotism, the toxicity and they might have a genuine chance of winning the next World Cup or Euros.
 
It is. As long as he's not retired and the coaches keep selecting him.. You can't blame Ronaldo for wanting to represent his country for as long as possible.

It is a unique case though. Most people would've accepted that their level isn't good enough and called it quits. But, I don't think Ronaldo is quitting anything until he has at least a thousand goals. Or that Messi retires and he can't overtake his goal tally.
No, it's not.

You earn your right be called up or have a place in the starting XI through your current performances not your name or your legacy. That much should be obvious.

There's no world where a 41 years old, who already was washed up four years ago, gets to play almost every single minute in an international tournament when he clearly is even less up for it.
 
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Good point. And having that level of craze going for him is what keeps him going in turn. There's absolutely no way he doesn't play the next Nations League and Euro. He will want to core the 1000th on an international stage, not hidden away in Dammam.
Goodness me. God bless Portugal.
 
I find it really odd that so many young people are still idolising him and Messi.

I think it must be a first in popular culture where the old blokes are still the superstars. Usually they're discarded for the new kids on the block. Be it football, music, films etc.
 
I find it really odd that so many young people are still idolising him and Messi.

I think it must be a first in popular culture where the old blokes are still the superstars. Usually they're discarded for the new kids on the block. Be it football, music, films etc.
I think it's because they're both still playing. It will drop off significantly once they both retire.
 
I find it really odd that so many young people are still idolising him and Messi.

I think it must be a first in popular culture where the old blokes are still the superstars. Usually they're discarded for the new kids on the block. Be it football, music, films etc.

Its doubly odd with Ronaldo as most of them have only seen him being crap. My 6 year old knows about 'Suiiiii' and he was 2 when Ronnie was playing for us and being somewhat good
 
I think it's because they're both still playing. It will drop off significantly once they both retire.

But they're only just still playing aren't they. They've dropped out of the big leagues.

Normally young people would have moved on years ago and Mbappe, Yamal would be the guys.

I was at Trafford Centre earlier in the Lego shop. It's Messi and Ronaldo as the Lego footballers you can buy. No surer way of determining who is still flavour of the month I'd say.

It's really unusual in entertainment for the guys who are past it to still be the headline acts.
 
But they're only just still playing aren't they. They've dropped out of the big leagues.

Normally young people would have moved on years ago and Mbappe, Yamal would be the guys.

I was at Trafford Centre earlier in the Lego shop. It's Messi and Ronaldo as the Lego footballers you can buy. No surer way of determining who is still flavour of the month I'd say.

It's really unusual in entertainment for the guys who are past it to still be the headline acts.
Still playing for their national teams, however. Once that stops their stars will begin to fade.