Cristiano Ronaldo - 979/1000 | Football only

When do we think was the optimum time for him to retire to best leave his legacy intact? Ignoring the bajillion pounds he’s made extending it, purely on football.
At United. He should have just hung it up that season and done a farewell tour instead of getting in a fight with the coach and doing the stupid shit he ended up doing. It would have been the perfect bowtie on a legendary career. He would have been applauded everywhere.
 
My mate lives and works in Saudi, he says the Saudis hate him and his attitude. They aren't very keen on him at all, which is sad given the amazing moments he's given the game.

This refusal to retire at International level is crazy though, he's literally destroying Portugals hopes of potentially winning the whole thing.

They did that when they hired Martinez.
 
I think Euro 2021 for Portugal where he was decent and after United experiment failed, a season at Sporting and call it a day.
He was never going to quit without getting his 1000 goals. He always has and always will care most about himself and his records.
 
They did that when they hired Martinez.
Come on what can Martinez actually do here? He is powerless in this situation. He has no choice but to pick Ronaldo. Fernando Santos, the winner of Portugal's ONLY major trophy, is persona non grata today in Portugal's FA because he dared to drop Cristiano Ronaldo. The guy is a tyrant.
 
He was never going to quit without getting his 1000 goals. He always has and always will care most about himself and his records.

It is of course a big thing to score 1000 goals, but so many of his goals are meaningless. Friendlies against Lichenstein and Saudi Pro League goals. Who really cares.

His legacy is written and it is his Euro 2016 and what he did at United, Real and Juve. And its an amazing legacy. But the amount of weight he and his fans are trying to attribute to 1000 goals is ridiculous.

Memphis Depay is the Dutch all time top scorer and cant hold a candle to Van Basten, Van Nistelrooy, Cruyff or Van Persie. But we live in an age of people who consume football through spreadsheets.
 
Come on what can Martinez actually do here? He is powerless in this situation. He has no choice but to pick Ronaldo. Fernando Santos, the winner of Portugal's ONLY major trophy, is persona non grata today in Portugal's FA because he dared to drop Cristiano Ronaldo. The guy is a tyrant.

Ronaldo shouldn't be playing, but then again neither should Semedo ffs. With or without Ronaldo Portugal will do nothing with Martinez. Guys a spoofer.
 
Would have thought he would be at least a bit more respected at least as a player on a United forum. Might be the squabble with Ten Hag (I know my fellow United fans are extremely sensitive about such matters. The fans have fallen out with pretty much every high-profile Sir Alex United at some point) but anyway I suspect it's more to do with the levels of pro Messi propaganda?

I also think that's largely why Messi has been doing so well recently with Argentina and Ronaldo has been failing. The media can play are huge part on the mental side of things etc. That being said, Messi did have a great performance vs Algeria.

Wow. Yea the propoganda. Thats whats going on here.

Homelander FC.
 
Would have thought he would be at least a bit more respected at least as a player on a United forum. Might be the squabble with Ten Hag (I know my fellow United fans are extremely sensitive about such matters. The fans have fallen out with pretty much every high-profile Sir Alex United at some point) but anyway I suspect it's more to do with the levels of pro Messi propaganda?

I also think that's largely why Messi has been doing so well recently with Argentina and Ronaldo has been failing. The media can play are huge part on the mental side of things etc. That being said, Messi did have a great performance vs Algeria.

:lol:

This is hilarious. I want to subscribe to your posts.
 
Would have thought he would be at least a bit more respected at least as a player on a United forum. Might be the squabble with Ten Hag (I know my fellow United fans are extremely sensitive about such matters. The fans have fallen out with pretty much every high-profile Sir Alex United at some point) but anyway I suspect it's more to do with the levels of pro Messi propaganda?

I also think that's largely why Messi has been doing so well recently with Argentina and Ronaldo has been failing. The media can play are huge part on the mental side of things etc. That being said, Messi did have a great performance vs Algeria.
Wow :lol:
 
That missed chance in the 70th minute sums him up. Messi realises the pass isnt for him, dummies it and it's a moment of genius for his teammate to score. Ronaldo, desperate to remain relevant and seething at the headlines Messi earned today, steals the pass and wasted it, denying his team a more probable than not goal.
 
Ronaldo struggling for respect in front of goal, fluffing his lines and flailing about like a cat in a plastic bag, if people weren't so sensitive, he would have been able to play a blinder. Meanwhile the propoganda is that Messi scored a hatrick. :confused:
 
Would have thought he would be at least a bit more respected at least as a player on a United forum. Might be the squabble with Ten Hag (I know my fellow United fans are extremely sensitive about such matters. The fans have fallen out with pretty much every high-profile Sir Alex United at some point) but anyway I suspect it's more to do with the levels of pro Messi propaganda?

I also think that's largely why Messi has been doing so well recently with Argentina and Ronaldo has been failing. The media can play are huge part on the mental side of things etc. That being said, Messi did have a great performance vs Algeria.

I don't like either one of them so the Messi propaganda bit is nonsense as I guess it is for most posters here. Ronaldo burned his bridges here but to be honest the rape stuff kind of trumps that and with Messi it is hard to look beyond the doping.
 
It makes one wonder: Is the Saudi League really that bad that he routinely and effortlessly becomes top goal scorer there?

I'm really surprised. I know it's 4 strong teams there that are pumped up by the state and who can afford some international second tier stars vs the rest of the league.

But still. Saudi Arabia has a big population and some football tradition. Their national team also always good for a surprise result against a big team at world cups (like the win against Argentina four years ago or the draw against Uruguay this time).

Shouldn't professional home grown players that play in the league be able to defend this 41 year old version of CR7?
 
I don't like either one of them so the Messi propaganda bit is nonsense as I guess it is for most posters here. Ronaldo burned his bridges here but to be honest the rape stuff kind of trumps that and with Messi it is hard to look beyond the doping.


If you think hormone treatment for a child is "doping" then I have a bridge to sell you.

I have a 3 year old child having to take a prolonged dosage of steroids that Justin Gatlin would want to use, and seeing anyone claiming childhood hormone treatments as doping is such laughable ignorance.
 
I don't like either one of them so the Messi propaganda bit is nonsense as I guess it is for most posters here. Ronaldo burned his bridges here but to be honest the rape stuff kind of trumps that and with Messi it is hard to look beyond the doping.
When has Messi ever doped?

The PR stuff is quality though. Sort of thing you expect or read on those mad Twitter accounts that spend hours posting shirtless photos of Ronaldo and talking about how the last World Cup was corrupt.
 
If you think hormone treatment for a child is "doping" then I have a bridge to sell you.

I have a 3 year old child having to take a prolonged dosage of steroids that Justin Gatlin would want to use, and seeing anyone claiming childhood hormone treatments as doping is such laughable ignorance.

I was not referring to that but to the systemic doping the Barcelona team indulged in under Pep and if you think that didn't happen I have a bridge to sell right back to you.
 
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone with my post... just doesn't seem natural to have so much vitriol towards your own former player? This is something I have noticed a lot with my fellow United fans over a long period of time and is solely a United thing. Would you see Arsenal fans in drones hating someone like Vieira for example and saying "actually Keane was much better" etc.

I would expect a certain amount of bias towards our own player.
 
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone with my post... just doesn't seem natural to have so much vitriol towards your own former player? This is something I have noticed a lot with my fellow United fans over a long period of time and is solely a United thing. Would you see Arsenal fans in drones hating someone like Vieira for example and saying "actually Keane was much better" etc.

I would expect a certain amount of bias towards our own player.

You mean the guy who flirted with another club in his prime and fecked off, came back and then left again in the most ungracious way?

Id expect the same kind of bias that a low self esteem abused wife might have.
 
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone with my post... just doesn't seem natural to have so much vitriol towards your own former player? This is something I have noticed a lot with my fellow United fans over a long period of time and is solely a United thing. Would you see Arsenal fans in drones hating someone like Vieira for example and saying "actually Keane was much better" etc.

I would expect a certain amount of bias towards our own player.
There's so much vitriol against him because of the appalling way he treated the club with both of his exits - his slave comments in 2008 and making the summer all about him and his dream move to Madrid, and his interview with Piers in 2022.

He'd be thought of a lot more fondly if it wasn't for those things.
 
Come on what can Martinez actually do here? He is powerless in this situation. He has no choice but to pick Ronaldo. Fernando Santos, the winner of Portugal's ONLY major trophy, is persona non grata today in Portugal's FA because he dared to drop Cristiano Ronaldo. The guy is a tyrant.

They aren't going to sack him mid tournament are they?

If Ronaldo is this millstone dragging Portugal down from WC glory, it would be managerial malpractice to continue starting him

Relegate him to what you consider to be his proper role and go with Ramos. It's not like Portugal will keep Martinez if Ronaldo starts and they crash out in the round of 16.
 
Portugal group is easy. Expect them to go through even with the blip today. That said they need to carry him as much as they can. Can’t see Martinez dropping him.
 
If you think hormone treatment for a child is "doping" then I have a bridge to sell you.

I have a 3 year old child having to take a prolonged dosage of steroids that Justin Gatlin would want to use, and seeing anyone claiming childhood hormone treatments as doping is such laughable ignorance.

It was given to him funded by Barcelona because it would improve growth hormone deficiency which helped improve his height.

If I remember it made Messi grow 6 inches or something.

Unfortunately Growth Hormone is strictly banned by Fifa & both Messi & Barcelona was lucky to get it done before he turned professional.

It's really down to personal opinion how you judge it and or if believe it played an important role in his career or not.

Even though Messi is easily better than Ronaldo, Messi looses points for me the same way i look at body builders. If you consider a bodybuilder taking steroids, i dont care if it was taken at 13 or 21 or 36, ultimately he is not naturally built for me.

Messi without growth hormone, funded by Barcelona and yet against FIFA rules would be 6 inches shorter; thats significantly would have effected his footballing ability. Its why he has such a low centre of gravity but has 6 inches of height that was added on through a banned drug given to him by Barcelonas money. It's what makes him so special.

Even though he is the best I've ever seen, I always think he wouldnt ever have been just as good without Growth Hormone medication funded by Barcelona. I see how much difference it makes with the NHS patients I see.

This is a dull argument anyway because no ones going to change their mind about these players. All his fans should enjoy him whilst he is still showing his magic and the ones who still have doubts will continue to do so. It's like supporting 2 different clubs, you can't convince a fan from one club to join the other!
 
Portugal group is easy. Expect them to go through even with the blip today. That said they need to carry him as much as they can. Can’t see Martinez dropping him.
Urbekistan should be easy, Congo should have been easy.

Colombia I’m not sure it’s going to be easy. They have some good players especially Diaz.
 
I don’t get it. He’s had a phenomenal career and won everything, is chasing 1000 goals that important that he’s willing to tarnish his legacy?

He’s going to achieve it by getting the vast majority of the remaining 191 goals he needed by playing in the Saudi league in front of a small amount of people, while 14 year olds in the crowd yell Messi at him.

From a Portuguese perspective, if they crash out early because they are trying to indulge him, I can easily see him losing the goodwill he built up from Portuguese fans. I know social media was quite brutal on him today after the draw with Congo.
 
I don’t get it. He’s had a phenomenal career and won everything, is chasing 1000 goals that important that he’s willing to tarnish his legacy?

He’s going to achieve it by getting the vast majority of the remaining 191 goals he needed by playing in the Saudi league in front of a small amount of people, while 14 year olds in the crowd yell Messi at him.

From a Portuguese perspective, if they crash out early because they are trying to indulge him, I can easily see him losing the goodwill he built up from Portuguese fans. I know social media was quite brutal on him today after the draw with Congo.
He obviously has a lot of fans in Portugal but just as much people are sick of the circus around him and the national team.
Enough is enough.
 
I don’t get it. He’s had a phenomenal career and won everything, is chasing 1000 goals that important that he’s willing to tarnish his legacy?

He’s going to achieve it by getting the vast majority of the remaining 191 goals he needed by playing in the Saudi league in front of a small amount of people, while 14 year olds in the crowd yell Messi at him.

From a Portuguese perspective, if they crash out early because they are trying to indulge him, I can easily see him losing the goodwill he built up from Portuguese fans. I know social media was quite brutal on him today after the draw with Congo.
Never underestimate the lengths a narcissist will go to protect their sense of self.
 
He’s absolutely awful. Just looks like a half arsed statue walking around the opponents half occasionally making a burst to get on the end of a pass.

Somebody in Portugal should have grown the balls after the last World Cup and told him that he won’t be at the next.

He never had a good legacy at the World Cup but he’s just making it even worse.
 
Portugal were piss poor, and Ronaldo was arguably their worst player. He was completely uninvolved, passive and useless. This is just a huge albatross hanging around their neck. As an impact sub he has value, but that's it. He was always that player who made it all about him, his goals, his performance, his glory, and feck the team. And for a long time it worked pretty well because he was so clinical and so effective. But he's miles past it now, yet demanding the same attention, the same status at the centre of everything, and it is killing Portugal. The guy has always been a narcissist and an arsehole, but he had the performance to back it up. Now he's just left with the narcissism. It's cringey and embarrassing to watch at this point.

Martinez needs to find his balls and drop him. He's leaving after the World Cup anyway. Who cares if the Portugal FA black ball, or the whole nation turn their backs on him? They are going to anyway when they flop out early because they are playing an egocentric OAP up front. May as well go out on his terms, and you know......perhaps win a match or two.