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KingEric04 said:
Messi was brilliant in the UCL for Barcelona but you can't forget Dinho's impact on that team. Messi has 4 UCL's but he was a crucial player in 3 of those tournaments. Ronaldinho Gaucho was the player who truly revived Barcelona, similar to Cantona at Man Utd.

Ronaldo's record in domestic leagues is inferior to Messi's but if you look at the context it isn't that much inferior. Messi has 12 domestic league titles vs 7 of Ronaldo. But, he was pretty much a passenger in his first two La Liga campaigns, so it's around
10 campaigns where he was a key figure.

And two of them came in Ligue 1. In reality Mbappe was a more important player than Messi there and it's Ligue 1. I think that majority of people would agree that Serie A, La Liga and EPL are the best leagues in the world and Ligue 1 lags behind those three.

So it's around 10 vs 7 league titles for Messi and 8-7 if you exclude Ligue 1. To be fair to Messi he has far more golden boots, so he's clearly better in domestic club football but Ronaldo's adaption and flexibility is seriously underrated. He's only player to win the golden boot in Serie A, La Liga and EPL. Also he's the only player to have over 100 goals in La Liga and EPL.

And you said that Madrid won 2 UCLs after Ronaldo left, well Barcelona won 2 league titles in 4 years (after Messi left) And this Barca squad is arguably the best one since 14/15 season. So they are hardly falling apart.

You know who is falling apart? Juve and Man Utd where he was deemed as a "problem". So it goes like this:

After Messi left Barca- roughly remained the same
After Messi left PSG- they're even better now

After Ronaldo left Madrid- roughly the same
After he left Juve- Juve became much worse
After he left Utd- United is in much worse state compared to his second stint at Utd.
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La Liga best player in 9 years when they were both in La Liga
Messi - 7
Ronaldo - 1
Griezmann - 1

Ronaldo outside Real in 12 years in Europe
1 Ballon D'or
1 Golden Shoe
1 FIFA Best
1 UCL top scorer
2 league top scorer
0 MVP in an international tourney all his life
0 IFFHS World's Best Playmaker, never had one
etc. etc.

United won FA Cup, finished 3rd and won Leagues Cup after he left. Meanwhile Ronaldo won nothing after Juve.. He was exposed big time after Real.. Knowing his ego, it must have hurt him seeing Real winning 2 UCLs and 3 La Ligas in 6 years without him while he was breaking rejection records and trophyless seasons became the norm for him. Could not even bring himself to congratulate Benzema for his Ballon D'or after his epic season.

Also, you are stil comparing a goalscorer with Messi the GOAT playmaker + goalscorer + dribbler.. Messi destroys Ronaldo in most aspects other than goalscoring an area which many would say Messi is better.. I mean even in league Golden Boot, Ronaldo has 5 in Europe in all his career despite spending a long part as a striker, Messi won that many (5) in a row only between 2016-2021 despite being a playmaker first feeding Suarez.
 
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KingEric04 said:
And two of them came in Ligue 1. In reality Mbappe was a more important player than Messi there and it's Ligue 1.
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wrong.. You probably did not watch a single game in Ligue 1 that season.

Messi was no.1 not only in France but whole Europe in MOTM with the highest per game rating, no one came close.. He was the IFFHS World's Best Playmaker.. Had 72 g&a in 75 games in total for PSG.

www.givemesport.com/players-with-most-man-of-the-match-trophies-in-europe-in-2223-including-messi-haaland/

You are also conveniently ignoring the fact that PSG lost the league to Lille right before Messi arrived (they won 3 league titles in the last 5 seasons before Messi arrived).. Not like Juve which won 7 in a row and played 2 UCL finals before Ronaldo arrived.

Also, you said "and it's Ligue 1".... notice those teams from so-called farmer leagues eliminated Ronaldo's Juve year in year out, even 10-man Porto and Lyon.. So, I would be hesitant to bring Ronaldo's Juve episode while looking down on Ligue 1.
 
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Fobal said:
Leaving your bias aside. That I'll just leave it there because since some time you have board that boat to never leave it.

This time, for me (I might be wrong) what Kwabs meant, it's that in a historical point of view, Messi changed the scenery in Barcelona in a historical way that even as big as Barca would mantein to be and already was, it was crucial, marking an Era.

This (beyond Messi) is actually a characteristic of how Barca historically has been. A tad more messianic in terms of the influence of certain players in their history and how they operated usually in the market. From huge influences all over the place a la Cryuff (even if him as a player didn't brought the CL), to sometimes for shorter periods (Ronaldinho (in a lesser way Rivaldo/Romario) and finally sometimes failing to build around and mantein a possible one (Maradona, R9), they historically had a tendency to seek a savior and at times finding them.

Madrid just at the beggining with Di Stefano, was quite messianic, yet later on they were always more flexible in their approach, in their transfers (at times at the cost of their very own academy) policies, in not needing as much as Barca some individual talisman to get bigger heights, at times even buying everyone out there, yet they learned how to operate as a huge club (or THE CLUB) after Alfredo and never left that boat, navigating some big storm at times, but being way more cynical, cunning overall and way less auto destructive at times knowing they already are THE club and Barca still the aspirational contender.

Only in later years Barca with Pep starting an almost full La Masia approach, Barca has finally settle in a more youth oriented team and even trying to lure their next Talisman from very young ages a la Messi (like Yamal now) instead of going and buying it. While also adding this sort of individual oriented huge talent to thrive more in their more collective complementary passing style academy than in the past.

That's why with Messi they had a period with his name written in stone, it's in their nature and they might finally find the cure if Yamal ends being even greater and with their international scout approach snatching these types from all over the world very young (plus those special ones from the City itself or near) into a very well oild academy like it seems to be nowadays.

We'll see, not long ago with money issues, they had to pull out the palancas to not fall from a cliff and find the Lewas and cia to at least gain time for a Flick to get stable and develope their new young Army.
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Yes. Messi coincided with the most successful period in Barcelona's history by far. Obviously it wasn't all about him, but he was the major driving force and the main player.

You are right to bring up DiStefano, because he had a similar impact on Madrid, in terms of making them successful (to an unprecedented degree) in both Spain and Europe. Again, it wasn't all about him, they had a bunch of other all-time great players. But Real Madrid became the club that it became largely because of his influence.
 
Kwabs said:
Yes. Messi coincided with the most successful period in Barcelona's history by far. Obviously it wasn't all about him, but he was the major driving force and the main player.

You are right to bring up DiStefano, because he had a similar impact on Madrid, in terms of making them successful (to an unprecedented degree) in both Spain and Europe. Again, it wasn't all about him, they had a bunch of other all-time great players. But Real Madrid became the club that it became largely because of his influence.
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I think that more than coincided, both created such periods.
Yet Alfredo's achievement was bigger for me, not just in terms of titles, but in how he almost created a CLUB and helped to established La Liga as a powerful League. I think also that few players, if any, was bullet proof as Di Stefano in his career with teh cards he was dealed with.

More on point with what I've meant to say, it's that what Messi did, was closer to help regain the status of some of the best Barca periods and enhaced to a level they never had before, therefore easier to put a period in the Club under his name, no matter what Xavi, Iniesta were around (way more when those were Alcacer, Paulinho, Arthur and cia). At the same time this is a very Barca thing, that goes beyond Messi, this club had the privildge of having Cryuff, Maradona, R9, Romario, Ronaldinho and Messi (with certain Laudrup, Figo in between) and always had to almopst start from scratch afetr every period, it's insane how autodestructive this club can be. Yet thsi helps teh indivual genius or phenosm they had, to enhace their aura and prestige in term sof how vital were for them, while ta the same time not being able to sustain longer such periods.

Barca do not know how to mantein such plattforms to sustain a more reasonable and stable dominion or at least relevant at the highest level like Madrid historically had in the past, even having some of the best Genius alike players time and again.

As an example, in 2018/19, Messi's season was stratospheric, yet that Barca team was having issues all over the place, the management was horrendous and that basement was more important for Barca not winning the CL and Copa del rey than anything else, a typical Barca shooting their own feet, being less cunning, less clever, less stable than their biggest rivals.
So more than Messi or Alfredo, what I meant it's that Barca allways was more unstable and easier and in consequence to point at some extremely special player (at times surrounded by phenoms, other by the silliest enviroment ever) as their Talisman, the one that has to lead and save them and consequently an era would be write on his name. Unnecessary stuff for a club as big as Barca, yet in their DNA since almost always.

Madrid enjoyed that initial and almost foundational Talisman with Alfredo and instantly build a legacy and a way more stable club around their very own perception of greatness that ended being reflected and felt by all of their rivals. This does not mean that Madrid didn't buy Genius, phenoms to help them right and left, yet their basement was always more solida dn even capable of snatch Barca's most iconic players time and again.

Barca a s a club now, might finally (in part forced by mismanagement) build from their youth like in Pep's days and even seek their Talisman within their core while try to not be extremely needing him in the field. We'll see what happens, yet that inner bomb looks like part of their essence.
 
If only there’s a thread about this drug cheating midget, that is really good with football.
 
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Isotope said:
If only there’s a thread about this drug cheating midget, that is really good with football.
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Well the fans of the other bloke are the ones bringing him time and again
 
Fobal said:
I think that more than coincided, both created such periods.
Yet Alfredo's achievement was bigger for me, not just in terms of titles, but in how he almost created a CLUB and helped to established La Liga as a powerful League. I think also that few players, if any, was bullet proof as Di Stefano in his career with teh cards he was dealed with.

More on point with what I've meant to say, it's that what Messi did, was closer to help regain the status of some of the best Barca periods and enhaced to a level they never had before, therefore easier to put a period in the Club under his name, no matter what Xavi, Iniesta were around (way more when those were Alcacer, Paulinho, Arthur and cia). At the same time this is a very Barca thing, that goes beyond Messi, this club had the privildge of having Cryuff, Maradona, R9, Romario, Ronaldinho and Messi (with certain Laudrup, Figo in between) and always had to almopst start from scratch afetr every period, it's insane how autodestructive this club can be. Yet thsi helps teh indivual genius or phenosm they had, to enhace their aura and prestige in term sof how vital were for them, while ta the same time not being able to sustain longer such periods.

Barca do not know how to mantein such plattforms to sustain a more reasonable and stable dominion or at least relevant at the highest level like Madrid historically had in the past, even having some of the best Genius alike players time and again.

As an example, in 2018/19, Messi's season was stratospheric, yet that Barca team was having issues all over the place, the management was horrendous and that basement was more important for Barca not winning the CL and Copa del rey than anything else, a typical Barca shooting their own feet, being less cunning, less clever, less stable than their biggest rivals.
So more than Messi or Alfredo, what I meant it's that Barca allways was more unstable and easier and in consequence to point at some extremely special player (at times surrounded by phenoms, other by the silliest enviroment ever) as their Talisman, the one that has to lead and save them and consequently an era would be write on his name. Unnecessary stuff for a club as big as Barca, yet in their DNA since almost always.

Madrid enjoyed that initial and almost foundational Talisman with Alfredo and instantly build a legacy and a way more stable club around their very own perception of greatness that ended being reflected and felt by all of their rivals. This does not mean that Madrid didn't buy Genius, phenoms to help them right and left, yet their basement was always more solida dn even capable of snatch Barca's most iconic players time and again.

Barca a s a club now, might finally (in part forced by mismanagement) build from their youth like in Pep's days and even seek their Talisman within their core while try to not be extremely needing him in the field. We'll see what happens, yet that inner bomb looks like part of their essence.
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I think you could definitely argue that DiStefano's period was greater. They won 5 straight European Cups (also 8 la liga titles whilst ADS was in the team). Barcelona had CL success beyond what they had ever had before in the Messi era, but they were obviously not the force in Europe that DiStefano's Madrid were.
 
mertens said:
wrong.. You probably did not watch a single game in Ligue 1 that season.

Messi was no.1 not only in France but whole Europe in MOTM with the highest per game rating, no one came close.. He was the IFFHS World's Best Playmaker.. Had 72 g&a in 75 games in total for PSG.

www.givemesport.com/players-with-most-man-of-the-match-trophies-in-europe-in-2223-including-messi-haaland/

You are also conveniently ignoring the fact that PSG lost the league to Lille right before Messi arrived (they won 3 league titles in the last 5 seasons before Messi arrived).. Not like Juve which won 7 in a row and played 2 UCL finals before Ronaldo arrived.

Also, you said "and it's Ligue 1".... notice those teams from so-called farmer leagues eliminated Ronaldo's Juve year in year out, even 10-man Porto and Lyon.. So, I would be hesitant to bring Ronaldo's Juve episode while looking down on Ligue 1.
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His goalscoring was shocking and he scored only 17 goals in two seasons for PSG in league fecking 1. Even "washed" Ronaldo scored 18 goals in the EPL in his last Premier League season for United. Haaland broke the goalscoring record in the EPL and won the treble with City. Messi won the Ballon D'or because of his international performances, and without that he wouldn't be even in Ballon D'or conversation at that time.

And comparing that Juve side to the PSG one is a joke. That Juve side was already in decline whereas the PSG side was a superstar side that ultimately failed. Long gone were the days of prime Pogba, Tevez, Pirlo etc. and Juve had a horrible transfer policy. Let's bring Aaron Ramsey to win the UCL, that would be an awesome idea! Let's not forget how he had to drag Juve out of nothing against Atletico and he even scored in all of those games that they lost.

And I don't even pretend that Serie A league was what it used to be. It's a league in huge decline, but it's certainly still way better than Ligue 1.
mertens said:
La Liga best player in 9 years when they were both in La Liga
Messi - 7
Ronaldo - 1
Griezmann - 1

Ronaldo outside Real in 12 years in Europe
1 Ballon D'or
1 Golden Shoe
1 FIFA Best
1 UCL top scorer
2 league top scorer
0 MVP in an international tourney all his life
0 IFFHS World's Best Playmaker, never had one
etc. etc.

United won FA Cup, finished 3rd and won Leagues Cup after he left. Meanwhile Ronaldo won nothing after Juve.. He was exposed big time after Real.. Knowing his ego, it must have hurt him seeing Real winning 2 UCLs and 3 La Ligas in 6 years without him while he was breaking rejection records and trophyless seasons became the norm for him. Could not even bring himself to congratulate Benzema for his Ballon D'or after his epic season.

Also, you are stil comparing a goalscorer with Messi the GOAT playmaker + goalscorer + dribbler.. Messi destroys Ronaldo in most aspects other than goalscoring an area which many would say Messi is better.. I mean even in league Golden Boot, Ronaldo has 5 in Europe in all his career despite spending a long part as a striker, Messi won that many (5) in a row only between 2016-2021 despite being a playmaker first feeding Suarez.
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Messi the GOAT playmaker :lol:. You have so many creative midfielders, and apparently a forward is the GOAT playmaker, and they call Ronaldo fans "delusional". What's worse is that they pretend like Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets didn't feed prime Messi with the goals. Spoiler alert they did. It's not a coincidence that they became irrelevant in Europe as soon as their creative midfielders all retired or became washed. That's not to say that he wasn't very good at it, but this whole era is mythologized for some reason. The fact is that he reached a one single semifinal in 9 years in Europe where Messi was a so called "playmaker".

And this is where the whole media or fanbase narrative comes from. They always portray Ronaldo as a "goalscoring machine" who had a poor all around game while Messi was always this "playmaker" and unselfish player who just happened to be a very prolific goal scorer. That's if you ignore how Ronaldo played before 2014 and after 2014, same with Messi. Ronaldo is allegedly a "poor" playmaker but he has more assists in the UCL than the GOAT playmaker Messi. But how can Ronaldo be a "poor playmaker" when he's literally the greatest winger of all time. You only need to watch Ronaldo in 2006/07 and tell me that he wasn't a "playmaker".

So until Ronaldo was 22 or so, he played as a traditional wide midfielder/winger in a flat 442 formation whereas Messi played as either a false 9 or wide forward in 4-3-3 Tiki Taka formation. You tell me who was more likely to score goals there. It's a very easy answer. Furthermore, he was still referred TO as a "midfielder" during his 2007-08 era for feck sake. He only became a wide forward in his Madrid days and a full no 9 in his Juve days.

Go and try to find how many wingers won the golden boots before 2010s in the EPL and English football and the era of inverted wingers. It was practically zero, but Ronaldo became one of the first prolific wingers in England. And now let's talk about the international performances. I asked Chat GPT which which national team has the most international trophies and it said Argentina. Argentina was one of the most decorated teams in history while Portugal had 0 titles and 0 major finals before Ronaldo's arrival. So how is Ronaldo supposed to be a "failure" when he has won the Euros and reached another final and won the additional 2 Nations Leagues.

It's freaking silly to compare them because one played for star studded teams while Ronaldo played for a national team who was bang average for the majority of their history. But MUH Eusebio. Hey, Szoboszlai you have to win the World Cup because of Puskas and his golden generation otherwise you are a failure! That's the kind of logic that you demand from Ronnie. Portugal had great teams in 2004 and 06, but after that their national team was generally bang average and Ronaldo had to carry them on their shoulders. In 2016 his teammates were washed Nani, Quaresma, 100 year old Carvalho, Eder and the mighty Renato Sanchez.

Imagine winning Euros with that kind of a team, yea that was a complete miracle, because it was a SHEITE team. Now, they have a very good team and finally a very good team since the mid 2000s and they have a chance to win the World Cup. But let me ask you this question. What is a bigger failure? To fail to win the World Cup with Portugal or with the PSG super team and failing to win a reach a single UCL final with Barcelona post 2015? Certainly the latter one, but you won't see me bringing that up. I don't think that Messi was entirely responsible for those failures, so why do we demand Ronaldo to win the WC with much inferior sides, and at times bang average sides.
 
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KingEric04 said:
His goalscoring was shocking and he scored only 17 goals in two seasons for PSG in league fecking 1. Even "washed" Ronaldo scored 18 goals in the EPL in his last Premier League season for United. Haaland broke the goalscoring record in the EPL and won the treble with City. Messi won the Ballon D'or because of his international performances, and without that he wouldn't be even in Ballon D'or conversation at that time.

And comparing that Juve side to the PSG one is a joke. That Juve side was already in decline whereas the PSG side was a superstar side that ultimately failed. Long gone were the days of prime Pogba, Tevez, Pirlo etc. and Juve had a horrible transfer policy. Let's bring Aaron Ramsey to win the UCL, that would be an awesome idea! Let's not forget how he had to drag Juve out of nothing against Atletico and he even scored in all of those games that they lost.

And I don't even pretend that Serie A league was what it used to be. It's a league in huge decline, but it's certainly still way better than Ligue 1.

Messi the GOAT playmaker :lol:. You have so many creative midfielders, and apparently a forward is the GOAT playmaker, and they call Ronaldo fans "delusional". What's worse is that they pretend like Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets didn't feed prime Messi with the goals. Spoiler alert they did. It's not a coincidence that they became irrelevant in Europe as soon as their creative midfielders all retired or became washed. That's not to say that he wasn't very good at it, but this whole era is mythologized for some reason. The fact is that he reached a one single semifinal in 9 years in Europe where Messi was a so called "playmaker".

And this is where the whole media or fanbase narrative comes from. They always portray Ronaldo as a "goalscoring machine" who had a poor all around game while Messi was always this "playmaker" and unselfish player who just happened to be a very prolific goal scorer. That's if you ignore how Ronaldo played before 2014 and after 2014, same with Messi. Ronaldo is allegedly a "poor" playmaker but he has more assists in the UCL than the GOAT playmaker Messi. But how can Ronaldo be a "poor playmaker" when he's literally the greatest winger of all time. You only need to watch Ronaldo in 2006/07 and tell me that he wasn't a "playmaker".

So until Ronaldo was 22 or so, he played as a traditional wide midfielder/winger in a flat 442 formation whereas Messi played as either a false 9 or wide forward in 4-3-3 Tiki Taka formation. You tell me who was more likely to score goals there. It's a very easy answer. Furthermore, he was still referred TO as a "midfielder" during his 2007-08 era for feck sake. He only became a wide forward in his Madrid days and a full no 9 in his Juve days.

Go and try to find how many wingers won the golden boots before 2010s in the EPL and English football and the era of inverted wingers. It was practically zero, but Ronaldo became one of the first prolific wingers in England. And now let's talk about the international performances. I asked Chat GPT which which national team has the most international trophies and it said Argentina. Argentina was one of the most decorated teams in history while Portugal had 0 titles and 0 major finals before Ronaldo's arrival. So how is Ronaldo supposed to be a "failure" when he has won the Euros and reached another final and won the additional 2 Nations Leagues.

It's freaking silly to compare them because one played for star studded teams while Ronaldo played for a national team who was bang average for the majority of their history. But MUH Eusebio. Hey, Szoboszlai you have to win the World Cup because of Puskas and his golden generation otherwise you are a failure! That's the kind of logic that you demand from Ronnie. Portugal had great teams in 2004 and 06, but after that their national team was generally bang average and Ronaldo had to carry them on their shoulders. In 2016 his teammates were washed Nani, Quaresma, 100 year old Carvalho, Eder and the mighty Renato Sanchez.

Imagine winning Euros with that kind of a team, yea that was a complete miracle, because it was a SHEITE team. Now, they have a very good team and finally a very good team since the mid 2000s and they have a chance to win the World Cup. But let me ask you this question. What is a bigger failure? To fail to win the World Cup with Portugal or with the PSG super team and failing to win a reach a single UCL final with Barcelona post 2015? Certainly the latter one, but you won't see me bringing that up. I don't think that Messi was entirely responsible for those failures, so why do we demand Ronaldo to win the WC with much inferior sides, and at times bang average sides.
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What a bitter post. Anyone who actually watched them play and is not biased will tell you the Messi is unquestionably the better footballer.
 
Wand of a right foot said:
What a bitter post. Anyone who actually watched them play and is not biased will tell you the Messi is unquestionably the better footballer.
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Nobody is forcing you to read this. You didn't add anything useful or original, and I wasn't even responding to you. It seems that the only one who is bitter here is you.
 
KingEric04 said:
His goalscoring was shocking and he scored only 17 goals in two seasons for PSG in league fecking 1. Even "washed" Ronaldo scored 18 goals in the EPL in his last Premier League season for United. Haaland broke the goalscoring record in the EPL and won the treble with City. Messi won the Ballon D'or because of his international performances, and without that he wouldn't be even in Ballon D'or conversation at that time.

And comparing that Juve side to the PSG one is a joke. That Juve side was already in decline whereas the PSG side was a superstar side that ultimately failed. Long gone were the days of prime Pogba, Tevez, Pirlo etc. and Juve had a horrible transfer policy. Let's bring Aaron Ramsey to win the UCL, that would be an awesome idea! Let's not forget how he had to drag Juve out of nothing against Atletico and he even scored in all of those games that they lost.

And I don't even pretend that Serie A league was what it used to be. It's a league in huge decline, but it's certainly still way better than Ligue 1.

Messi the GOAT playmaker :lol:. You have so many creative midfielders, and apparently a forward is the GOAT playmaker, and they call Ronaldo fans "delusional". What's worse is that they pretend like Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets didn't feed prime Messi with the goals. Spoiler alert they did. It's not a coincidence that they became irrelevant in Europe as soon as their creative midfielders all retired or became washed. That's not to say that he wasn't very good at it, but this whole era is mythologized for some reason. The fact is that he reached a one single semifinal in 9 years in Europe where Messi was a so called "playmaker".

And this is where the whole media or fanbase narrative comes from. They always portray Ronaldo as a "goalscoring machine" who had a poor all around game while Messi was always this "playmaker" and unselfish player who just happened to be a very prolific goal scorer. That's if you ignore how Ronaldo played before 2014 and after 2014, same with Messi. Ronaldo is allegedly a "poor" playmaker but he has more assists in the UCL than the GOAT playmaker Messi. But how can Ronaldo be a "poor playmaker" when he's literally the greatest winger of all time. You only need to watch Ronaldo in 2006/07 and tell me that he wasn't a "playmaker".

So until Ronaldo was 22 or so, he played as a traditional wide midfielder/winger in a flat 442 formation whereas Messi played as either a false 9 or wide forward in 4-3-3 Tiki Taka formation. You tell me who was more likely to score goals there. It's a very easy answer. Furthermore, he was still referred TO as a "midfielder" during his 2007-08 era for feck sake. He only became a wide forward in his Madrid days and a full no 9 in his Juve days.

Go and try to find how many wingers won the golden boots before 2010s in the EPL and English football and the era of inverted wingers. It was practically zero, but Ronaldo became one of the first prolific wingers in England. And now let's talk about the international performances. I asked Chat GPT which which national team has the most international trophies and it said Argentina. Argentina was one of the most decorated teams in history while Portugal had 0 titles and 0 major finals before Ronaldo's arrival. So how is Ronaldo supposed to be a "failure" when he has won the Euros and reached another final and won the additional 2 Nations Leagues.

It's freaking silly to compare them because one played for star studded teams while Ronaldo played for a national team who was bang average for the majority of their history. But MUH Eusebio. Hey, Szoboszlai you have to win the World Cup because of Puskas and his golden generation otherwise you are a failure! That's the kind of logic that you demand from Ronnie. Portugal had great teams in 2004 and 06, but after that their national team was generally bang average and Ronaldo had to carry them on their shoulders. In 2016 his teammates were washed Nani, Quaresma, 100 year old Carvalho, Eder and the mighty Renato Sanchez.

Imagine winning Euros with that kind of a team, yea that was a complete miracle, because it was a SHEITE team. Now, they have a very good team and finally a very good team since the mid 2000s and they have a chance to win the World Cup. But let me ask you this question. What is a bigger failure? To fail to win the World Cup with Portugal or with the PSG super team and failing to win a reach a single UCL final with Barcelona post 2015? Certainly the latter one, but you won't see me bringing that up. I don't think that Messi was entirely responsible for those failures, so why do we demand Ronaldo to win the WC with much inferior sides, and at times bang average sides.
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Ah yes, the famous Ronaldo fan dissertation, 3,000 words of tactical formations, Nations League trivia, and Eder propaganda… all just to explain why Messi still somehow has more Ballons d’Or, more World Cup, more everything. But don't worry, I'm sure that one cross Ronaldo whipped in back in 2007 proves he is the real GOAT playmaker. Forget about Messi, Ronaldo isn't even fit to lace his boots and belong in Messi's tier. Messi is in Maradona/Pele tier and Ronaldo is nowhere near that. Honestly, he's not even a better footballer than Brazilian Ronaldo. So maybe before writing essays about playmaking and Nations League miracles, you should ask yourself if CR7 even cracked the top 2 Ronaldos of all time.
 
Nole said:
Ah yes, the famous Ronaldo fan dissertation, 3,000 words of tactical formations, Nations League trivia, and Eder propaganda… all just to explain why Messi still somehow has more Ballons d’Or, more World Cup, more everything. But don't worry, I'm sure that one cross Ronaldo whipped in back in 2007 proves he is the real GOAT playmaker. Forget about Messi, Ronaldo isn't even fit to lace his boots and belong in Messi's tier. Messi is in Maradona/Pele tier and Ronaldo is nowhere near that. Honestly, he's not even a better footballer than Brazilian Ronaldo. So maybe before writing essays about playmaking and Nations League miracles, you should ask yourself if CR7 even cracked the top 2 Ronaldos of all time.
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Maybe you are the part of the problem mate and not me with your outrageous claims. "Ronaldo can't even lace the shoes of Messi." "R9 is a better footballer than CR7". "Ronaldo isn't even among the GOATs".

You're constantly trying to downplay Ronaldo's achievements and it's very obvious. And I guess you are alergic to context as well. Ronaldo overachieved with Portugal because they had 0 finals and 0 trophies before his arrival. After he arrived, they now have 3 international trophies including a trophy at the Euros.

For the vast majority of their history they were average and not even comparable to Brazil or Argentina. Not that hard to understand. But you're so biased that you will say it's just an "excuse".

And I won't even comment on your other ridiculous claims. They're so comically bad, that it's not even worth responding to...
 
Wand of a right foot said:
To me it is as obvious as the noon day sun that Messi has always been the better footballer. Anyone who says otherwise is biased like yourself.
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I've not said otherwise. You're the one presenting yourself as a paragon of objectivity based on 'to me it is obvious...'

Also, don't say 'like yourself' ffs - it's not cleverer. Just say 'like you'.
 
KingEric04 said:
Maybe you are the part of the problem mate and not me with your outrageous claims. "Ronaldo can't even lace the shoes of Messi." "R9 is a better footballer than CR7". "Ronaldo isn't even among the GOATs".

You're constantly trying to downplay Ronaldo's achievements and it's very obvious. And I guess you are alergic to context as well. Ronaldo overachieved with Portugal because they had 0 finals and 0 trophies before his arrival. After he arrived, they now have 3 international trophies including a trophy at the Euros.

For the vast majority of their history they were average and not even comparable to Brazil or Argentina. Not that hard to understand. But you're so biased that you will say it's just an "excuse".

And I won't even comment on your other ridiculous claims. They're so comically bad, that it's not even worth responding to...
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International Tourney MVPs
Messi 7
Zagorakis 1
Modric 1
Forlan 1
Bernardo Silva 1
Nuno Mendes 1
Ronaldo 0

Your post is a prime example of correlation is not the same thing as causation thing.. Portugal's best player in Euros was Pepe, Nations League, Bernardo Silva and Nuno Mendes. You are not even aware of simple facts because of your bias and continue with ridiculous claims..
 
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KingEric04 said:
Messi the GOAT playmaker :lol:.
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probably the most clueless post ever in this thread, imagine questioning Messi's GOAT playmaking status, do you watch football? :lol:

IFFHS World's Best Playmaker
Messi - 5 (a record)
KDB - 3
Iniesta - 2
Modric - 1
Kroos - 1
siuuu Ronaldo - 0

"THE WORLD’S BEST MAN PLAYMAKER OF THE DECADE 2011-2020 : LIONEL MESSI"
https://iffhs.com/posts/893

also don't forget to google the greatest/best playmakers of all time for more laughs :lol:
 
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mertens said:
International Tourney MVPs
Messi 7
Zagorakis 1
Modric 1
Forlan 1
Bernardo Silva 1
Nuno Mendes 1
Ronaldo 0

Your post is a prime example of correlation is not the same thing as causation thing..
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This is a weird post,

It's obvious Ronaldo is a better player, has been a better player and will be remembered as a better player than Bernardo Silva, Mendes, Forlan, and Zagorakis.
 
Pintu said:
It is not the equivalent of the CL. It is called ACL 2 meaning it is second tier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Champions_League_Two
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Yep and Al Nassr should easily win it. Only Gamba Osaka will be a threat. I imagine he won't actually play many of the games either due to the low quality opposition and the risk of injury.

They have Goa in their group which would be huge for Indian football to see him but I can't see it happening
 
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