He scored what he did because players are instructed to pass to him at every opportunity, to the detriment of the team.
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Tuchel edges it for me, more pashun
So it went from him diminishing their attacking output to now not even improving it after that was debunked
Well he was directly replacing previous goalscorers while the team maintained a steady decline.
And this is such a one-dimensional analysis you know that? Considering that simultaneously, Real Madrid had their worst scoring seasons in over a decade in the immediate 2 seasons after he left. They only managed to recover the last 2 years with Benzema’s stellar form.
That’s such a lazy analysis and not even true.
Is Ron a bigger pr1ck than Roy now (Utd related) after he spat the dummy out ?
And you know that how?
Wrong. Why did Madrid score substantially less and struggle after he left? The problem with these arguments is that you guys try to make it binary when it's a lot more nuanced than that. Juve as a whole were on a steady decline when he joined. Chiellini alluded to this recently - going as far as to say Ronaldo was able to disguise a lot of the team's issues.
Well it's not really debunked, is it? Because the point remains that he came into a team that had their best goalscoring season in however many years, then reverted to type when he come in, despite him being brought in to improve on what came before. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of your hero is it? Considering that's why you bring him in.So it went from him diminishing their attacking output to now not even improving it after that was debunked
Well he was directly replacing previous goalscorers while the team maintained a steady decline.
And this is such a one-dimensional analysis you know that? Considering that simultaneously, Real Madrid had their worst scoring seasons in over a decade in the immediate 2 seasons after he left. They only managed to recover the last 2 years with Benzema’s stellar form.
As for the Madrid point, I've already mentioned this when this came up before. He was obviously incredible for Madrid, in a team that was built around him. He was the main focal point of that teams structure. When he doesn't have that (i.e., when he moves to another team), it has a huge impact on how that team plays and sets up. Which is the point you seemingly can't comprehend.
I appreciate the long thought out post and even agree with a lot of what you said. His constant demands are definitely not conducive to a good environment in his current setting but it doesn't mean he wouldn't thrive elsewhere. I don't think he's inherently toxic or even means to be. I just feel this group of players are mentally weak and just can't tolerate/cope with a personality like Ronaldo's in the dressing room. It'll definitely better for all parties if he moved on but I still think he can still be a key player for a team at the highest level.
So pointing out one statistically anomalous season proves your point? Juve out-performed their xG in the 17/18 season. Naturally they were highly unlikely to re-produce the same goal tally the following season with or without Ronaldo. And if they're scoring similar averages to previous years, surely he can't be affecting the way they play that badly?
A key player for a team at the highest level....yet excatly zero teams at the highest level have come in for him with an offer? How does that work? You'd think some of you are still talking about prime Ronaldo, the way you think he's still able to contribute.
Can he still contribute for a team - even at the highest level? Definitely. But I think the days of him being so good that top teams would bend over for him and build their entire attack to suit his strengths are long gone - and it seems most teams know this.
If the players can't take another player criticizing them, then they are even weaker than i thought.
We cant play out of a press from team who finished 13th last year and have been put together for less that what we just bought a midget center back for.
Well yeah he's 37 going on 38 and is on 500k a week wages.
I'm sure if he was a decade younger and had exactly the same season he did last year, he'd have more suitors. Not to mention, the elite sides that he would want to go to are all good in attack (Real Madrid, Barca, PSG) which only leaves Bayern (Nagelsmann doesn't want to play with a #9), Chelsea & Atletico (let's see what happens in the next 2 weeks).
Well, you certainly haven't disproven anything the way you think you have.
As for the bold. Why not? It could possibly imply that he didn't improve them. And considering he's often heralded as one of the best players of all time, is it unrealistic to expect him to improve the goalscoring average of a team that he just joined for £105m? You know, considering the fact that scoring goals is his main attribute.
A decade younger? What does that even mean? That's exactly my point. He's declined and hence no top teams are interested in making him a key player - which was your point.
Quality control
Martial was injured genius. Find a new soccerball team
Insulting another member
Oh so Martial is the key piece to us playing football, otherwise we can’t. Got it.
Go be xenophobic somewhere else you worthless piece of crap. And while you’re at it, find a brit to buy the team because right now bud, its owned by Americans.
These things aren’t binary though. Juve as a team were in steady decline when he joined and players like Matuidi, Khedira, Sandro etc were just about past their prime. I mean Khedira retired just 2 years later and Matuidi was in MLS within a year. Pjanic was just in the Turkish league last season. These players were their first choice midfield when he signed for them.
Most Juve fans would tell you that he carried them a lot for the duration of his time there.
My point is that, despite declining (obviously he did) he’s still a top quality striker (imo) and largely isn’t getting offers because of his age and salary but mostly because of his age.
Most top clubs (especially the likes of Bayern & Madrid don’t sign players over 30) much less one that is almost fecking 40 years old.
Bayern made a comment criticising Juve for signing him at his age in 2018 when he was reigning Ballon D’or holder and just had another historic season with Madrid. He’s 4 years older now so why would they sign him based on that philosophy?
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Good. He’s a toxic cnut.
Must mean we're bringing someone in?
Kalajdzic and Antony/Ziyech I imagine
The thing is, what I'm getting here from you, is that you will simply not even entertain the idea that Ronaldo could possibly affect the way a team plays in a negative way. As you've done above, the blame will always be shifted. And it's true to a certain extent because he's not going to be solely to blame for any club's problems. And that's the same with United. Ronaldo is not 100% to blame for United's problems. But he's a problem. This current incarnation of Ronaldo definitely has an impact on how a team must set up and play.
And, quite frankly, it's not worth the hassle. He needs to go. What you're getting in return (as Juve found out) is not worth it.
Absolutely. But the daddy remark was taken completely out of context because of the unfortunate passing of Cristianos father not long before. Stupid thing to say, though.
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Could've been an asset during the transition year but he's by all accounts decided to be a problem and throw the toys out the pram to force an exit.
He's not one of the main problems at the club but the circus that will follow him and the club here all season isnt worth it, he can feck off.
We've already got enough of a shitshow to deal with.
It's a shame Atleti are only willing to send us their undesirables for him, Joao Felix would be a godsend
The bit about his commercial value is very worrying and shows where the clubs priorities lie
Would take Morata or Cunha or both for him in a heartbeat.
That's a horrible deal for them
Sadly for everyone involved the window closes soon, and even if it was open for another 3 months, that still wouldn’t be long enough for the board to come to any conclusions.
Can we not just bin off the Rabiot deal, use that money plus Ronaldo to get Marcos Llorente? He'd be fantastic in a pressing system.
Mark my words - once Ron is gone our team will improve. It's not about goals, it's about chemistry. Having toxic player is destroying our fragile dressing room.
Why? We can give them McTominay and Bissaka as sweeteners
I find that bit from Pierce Morgan about "WHEN Ronaldo leaves (not if)" interesting. I've been thinking for some time that he'll be gone in the last week or so like it happened at Juve.
After a month of rejections he came back to the club and far from tracking back he asked them to let him leave. He has something tied out there otherwise he wouldn't have been so determined to leave. He sent his message the day we played against Vallecano and the noises are now about him stinking up the place which was easily predictable. I'm not leaving, you say? Hold my beer.
Someone putting that kind of pressure has a place to go, 100 %. It could be a club who wants him for free as a condition to sign him and I can see the club rejecting initially. So this could be about setting the conditions, with some time ahead still to play it patiently as there's millions in play.
If that's the case I don't know who will blink first but something has to happen, because the guy doesn't want to be here and I doubt the team in general and probably the staff want his circus here for a whole season. I bet Ronaldo is busy reminding this to them every day, so they push with him in the same direction.
After a month of rejections he came back to the club and far from tracking back he asked them to let him leave. He has something tied out there otherwise he wouldn't have been so determined to leave. He sent his message the day we played against Vallecano and the noises are now about him stinking up the place which was easily predictable. I'm not leaving, you say? Hold my beer.
Someone putting that kind of pressure has a place to go, 100 %. It could be a club who wants him for free as a condition to sign him and I can see the club rejecting initially. So this could be about setting the conditions, with some time ahead still to play it patiently as there's millions in play.
If that's the case I don't know who will blink first but something has to happen, because the guy doesn't want to be here and I doubt the team in general and probably the staff want his circus here for a whole season. I bet Ronaldo is busy reminding this to them every day, so they push with him in the same direction.
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We would obviously need to add a good amount of cash on top of that deal, but pretty sure Atletico wouldn't entertain even that idea.
No harm in trying if they want Ronaldo though.
That would be too shrewd a move for the bumbling cronies in charge of the club...
Llorente is on the verge of being world class, injury is the only thing that stopped him from building on that fantastic 20/21 season
Would love for him to go Athletco and taint his Madrid affiliation and then blank in the UCL and get beaten to the title by Madrid.
No way to know if that's accurate, easy line to write. In any case that's hardly news.
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