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Cristiano Ronaldo - Much Ado About Al Nassr
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Well Lebron James is 40 too and plays at a considerably higher level.
Gretzky scored 1000 points in 424 games and and another 1000 points in the 433 games after that. Mario Lemieux is the second fastest to 1000 points and he did in in 513. In other words, Gretzky beat him twice.
Gretzky is also the NHL all-time points leader with his assists alone. He has 1963 assists. Jaromir Jagr has 1921 G+A.
Undisputed GOAT.
I was at the game were Gretzky scored, I think it was his 1852nd assist to have (at that time) more points than anyone had points. He’s a ridiculous athlete and there’s really no argument for anyone else in hockey.
That said, Ovechkin would’ve probably quite handily passed his goals record already if there weren’t two lockouts and the Covid year
Gretzky is probably the only sportsperson where his stats are so far ahead of the second place totals that it just looks cartoonish. Like, how did he do it? There's no equivalent in football or any of the other US sports. The only similar thing I can think of is Bradman, and that's just with the batting average, not with all the numbers.
He doesn't give a flying feck about United
It's an interesting question as to who is the better athlete of the two. Both have ridiculous bodies, although Lebron is obviously much bigger. They share many traits, including narcissism, longevity, and being second best
LeBron still plays at the top level whereas Ronaldo clearly doesn't. But maybe football requires more running/stamina? I'm sure people have done studies on this.
Second in their generation but not all time at least in Ronaldo's case. Having said that, i don't like basketball (tried watching) and dont care much for the 7 feet giants playing it.It's an interesting question as to who is the better athlete of the two. Both have ridiculous bodies, although Lebron is obviously much bigger. They share many traits, including narcissism, longevity, and being second best
LeBron still plays at the top level whereas Ronaldo clearly doesn't. But maybe football requires more running/stamina? I'm sure people have done studies on this.
Fans still think this even after that interview and the slavery comments from years ago.He doesn't give a flying feck about United
It’s hard to compare LeBron to Messi or Ronaldo, as you said he shares some traits with Ronaldo but also many with Messi in terms of being a team player and his creativity/assisting ability. Whereas Ronaldo is more like Michael Jordan in playing style.It's an interesting question as to who is the better athlete of the two. Both have ridiculous bodies, although Lebron is obviously much bigger. They share many traits, including narcissism, longevity, and being second best
LeBron still plays at the top level whereas Ronaldo clearly doesn't. But maybe football requires more running/stamina? I'm sure people have done studies on this.
Nah I did Vegas for a week for my 40th beat that
Slavery comments ?
Before he was sold to Madrid, one of the FIFA execs (Blatter?) said us wanting to keep him was tantamount to slavery and he publicly agreed with it.
Sepp was some piece of work , I hadn’t heard that before
there was a study carried out in the us, near los angeles. it made some pretty convincing conclusions. if you google “ronaldo las vegas” you should find it.
Cheers for this
Messi is more like Jordan IMO, though inaccept that you cannot compare exactly acros the two sports:
-very strongly associated with one team and city
-consensus best
-smaller (Jordan is smallish by NBA standards)
-beautiful game
-more team trophies
-more individual trophies
Whereas Lebron and CR
-Bigger
-jacked bodies which they spend millions maintaining
-everything is always about them (both named their first born sons after themselves
)-pride in longevity and durability
-both stats obsessed
-Not as strongly associated with one team, have moved around more
-self-proclaimed GOATs
I get your point about the assists with LBJ, but overall, I think he is more like CR.
welcome, mate.
He was an elite (word elite) dribbler for about what, 2/3 years of his career? He's not an elite dribbler at all, if you consider all the dribblers in history, just a good dribbler, at most.
Jordan was a lot of those things you mentioned though, he wasn’t like Messi. He was a prick and tough to be around, a lot of his traits are very Ronaldo-like to the point where I’d say Ronaldo took some inspiration.Messi is more like Jordan IMO, though inaccept that you cannot compare exactly acros the two sports:
-very strongly associated with one team and city
-consensus best
-smaller (Jordan is smallish by NBA standards)
-beautiful game
-more team trophies
-more individual trophies
Whereas Lebron and CR
-Bigger
-jacked bodies which they spend millions maintaining
-everything is always about them (both named their first born sons after themselves
-pride in longevity and durability
-both stats obsessed
-Not as strongly associated with one team, have moved around more
-self-proclaimed GOATs
I get your point about the assists with LBJ, but overall, I think he is more like CR.
LeBron was more beautiful game than Jordan too, a far more ranged passing and skills game. Jordan was pure athleticism and winning. He wasn’t that small that it was ever an issue for his position, I don’t think that’s comparable with Messi.
Jordan may have been better but they’re different sports and have different criteria for judging that.
Personality-wise Messi is nothing like Jordan to the point it’s not even worth comparing them, Steph Curry would be a better comparison in helping his team-mates get better and by most accounts being a nice enough guy off the court.
It just seems you want to call Jordan and Messi the best ever, which is fair but that’s about where the comparisons end.
Absolute nonsense. Quite frankly if you've watched the video i posted of him dribbling and doing things no one else on the planet could do with the ball at his feet at this level and then come out with hogwash like this can only assume you're WUM and you're not worth replying to. Also for your information, Ronaldo was an elite dribbler for 5 years at United before moving to Madrid and then at least another 2-3 there before reinventing himself, so not 2/3 but more like 7. Pretty embarrassing you know so little of him on a united forum, but as i said you must be a WUM so i'll block you and move on.
Sure, that's a good tactic. Cover your ears and shout your point of view, and if someone doesn't agree with you, he's a WUM. The problem is that almost everyone thinks Ronaldo is not an elite dribbler, so maybe you're wrong. He was not an elite dribbler for 5 years at United at all, and he'll go down as a good dribbler at most. Maybe you should start watching a different sport mate.
You've just ignored everything I've said re why they're similar, l o l. And you have a very rose tinted view of what Messi is like, for some reason, you seem to think he's a saint.
There are no saints or 'good guys' among high level professional sportsmen, let me tell you, especially ones as successful as him.
Also totally disagree on LeBron's game being more aesthetically pleasing than Jordan's, did you watch Jordan?! 'Pure athleticism and winning'?! Come on. And even if that was the case, who has won more, Messi or Ronaldo?
Messi is indeed a prick. You don't get to his level and achieve what he has without being ruthless. He just hides it well, and he is quiet, so it is not as apparent how he manipulates things wherever he is.
Look at all those stories of his teammates being afraid to upset him (especially with the national team), the issues with Ibra, Villa and even Pep at Barca, the way the Barca execs spoke about him as being a tiny despot in those leaked statements from the contract disputes, etc. etc.
Just wait until he retires and people speak more freely about him. You'll see. Same thing happened to Jordan, whose image was actually much cleaner when he was playing. And I'm a big fan of both, but I don't pretend that they're great people.
Probably best to move on from this though. It is not what the thread is for and we won't see eye to eye on this.
Of course Messi has drive and isn't a saint at all, but he's not like Jordan and he's not like Ronaldo, there are different levels to this sort of thing, there's no point making a false equivalence. But yeah no point talking about it for too long for a hypothetical and abstract comparison.
Bare mad to fam it was 22 years back when we first spotted that lanky Don with mad hair and dodgy grill doin’ step-overs like a G but lookin’ like a noob. Now two decades later we’re still roastin’ over his value compared to some personality-less Argie with slick footwork. Long may it continue lads.
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Wasn't there something about Barcelona being sued/charged with paying off referees?
What has that got to do with Ronaldo's dribbling?
There really is only one high level in Basketball as with most American sports and the way the game is played makes it easier to continue at that high level than in elite football.
He plays at a jog on a school gym court mate
This thread is so cringe it's unreal. How United fans continue to love this guy I just don't understand.
Nobody is a saint, yet for the level of exposure and power, Messi has managed himself in quite great form (even not biting lots of provocations coming from CR, the Press, and a large etc).
Also do not confuse to be "corporate", political correct most of times and very driven with instantly being a hidden prick. BTW Ibra never spoke badly about Messi at all and with Villa they just weren't the best pals as far as it knows, on the other hand he forged very good relantionship with fellas who had quite feuds prior to be mates like Vidal, Sanchez, etc...the lad isn't easy to handle like any huge athlete, no doubt, but his traits are not Jordan alike who feeds excesivly in confrontation even among his teamates. He is extremely Corporate for my taste, too much, but for other people him keeping his mouth shut it's better, I do not share that.
The kind of fuel Jordan needed throught his carreer to play it's very well documented since ever, not just when he retired. On the other hand Messi has quite a number of friends being former lockeroom mates, they have very different personalities more than probaly similar tantrums when loosing.
PD: Barca execs not liking him, given how those usually play their cards, can be wear as a badge of honor
I meant he is still one of the top 10/15 best players in the world in his sport, which definitely is far out of reach from Ronaldo's current output.
You mean the king?
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Duran also got two goals. Was that his debut?
His second match
Nope, nothing proved at all, I'm not a Barcelona fan by the way, and I'm not sure what does that have to do with what I posted. Do you not like the fact Messi is considered better than Ronaldo by almost everyone?
I don't think you can say he wasn't an elite dribbler, he was, just that Messi was always a better dribbler. And I agree that if you're talking about the greatest dribblers of all time, then Ronaldo is not going to be near the top of that list, but he was one of the best dribblers in the world when he was dribbling, I think that's fair to say.