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Not now it doesn't. Maybe in a yearHis commercial value more than cover his wages.
Not now it doesn't. Maybe in a yearHis commercial value more than cover his wages.
It's a rubbish article. Ronaldo forced Juventus to offer him an astronomical contract and stopped supposedly elite football players and grown men from shooting or carrying the ball into the box.This article I think puts the case well: Cristiano Ronaldo's Greed and High Wages Have Made Juventus Worse (insider.com)
Well, there seems to be quite a few arguments to the opposite effect, of which that article is just one case among many. There are some stats to support that argument too, such as his low number of assists and very high number of big chances not converted.It's a rubbish article. Ronaldo forced Juventus to offer him an astronomical contract and stopped supposedly elite football players and grown men from shooting or carrying the ball into the box.
With the younger, prime Ronaldo you had to accept the poor and selfish decisions he would make constantly, but that hasn't been the case for a number of years now. The relentless greed in carrying the ball towards goal or shooting from ridiculous areas has long since been replaced by a much more conventional, sensible attacking game.
This article is exactly why you dont go anywhere near ronaldo now.This article I think puts the case well: Cristiano Ronaldo's Greed and High Wages Have Made Juventus Worse (insider.com)
We have been trapped in this mindset post Fergie because we’ve had incompetent chief executive leadership, no dof, and have consistently hired the wrong managers, which is why we don’t have the luxury to do it yet again - especially with an inexperienced manager who is only on the job because he was a good player.No, we haven't. We've been rebuilding for two years. That's "rebuilding" as in "making a sustained effort to construct a team good enough to contend for PL titles for several seasons ahead".
What we were doing before that is exactly what this would amount to, ie, throwing big money at individual players in the hope that'll somehow make us contenders right now. And as you say, we've achieved nothing with that approach. On the other hand it looks like we may achieve something with the rebuild we have so belatedly embarked upon, so this is no time for the club to lose its head and revert to old, miserable practices.
The measure of any big investment made now isn't just the impact on next season, but where it leaves us 2, 3, 4 seasons ahead. In that light, this would obviously not be a good investment.
He was on high wages at Madrid as well and they seemed to do ok on the trophy front.This article is exactly why you dont go anywhere near ronaldo now.
Theres a school of thought in Portugal that they'd stand a better chance of winning the euros without him. Same issue as at Juventus, the output of the collective is reduced for the glory of one individual.
We have largely been trapped in the mindset you give voice to since Fergie - the notion that we're just a top manager and and a couple of star signings away from being a top team again. Which is the better part of the reason why we still aren't.We have been trapped in this mindset post Fergie because we’ve had incompetent chief executive leadership, no dof, and have consistently hired the wrong managers, which is why we don’t have the luxury to do it yet again - especially with an inexperienced manager who is only on the job because he was a good player.
What we need right now is a world class player like CR7 to infuse a winning mentality into the younger players and complement Cavani, Bruno, and Rashford.
Also the narrative that Juve didn’t win the league this year with him is pretty pointless since we have a completely different profile of players here and are in a different league (in which he had already wildly successful).
We need to win a big trophy next year otherwise Ole will be out of a job, so if he is available, we should make a move immediately.
It would massively depend on what other business we did. If we did that deal and then just bought a CB, hell no, because our midfield would be an absolute state, we'd have lost one of our more creative and most talented players.Would anyone here swap him for Pogba?
When you're used to NA sports, speculating about football "trades" is irresistible.I’m sure it’s the U.S. sports fan in me that craves a “baseball trade” here. If Pogba and Ronaldo can agree to wages with Juve and United, respectively, the still is a valuation gap in Pogba’s favor that would need to be bridged. I’m not sure there‘s a consensus valuation for the two players, but I’ve most commonly seen €25m for Ronaldo and £60m for Pogba. Given Juventus‘ poor economic condition, I’m guessing they’d rather surrender another player than cash.
So, who does Murtough ask for if prompted? Demiral or Christian Romero to fill the CB hole? What about Kuluvsevski for the right?
Ronaldo fills the need for striker support and we add highly promising depth at one of two positions of need, each without dipping into the transfer budget. Perhaps the rumored £150m net budget gets split 2-ways, £80m for Sancho and £70m to replace Pogba with a better fitting piece, with vDb perhaps given the first chance to replace him directly and bringing in a world class replacement for McFred. Another position can be filled with proceeds of some badly needed deadwood that I don’t need to recite here. Perhaps those sales can fund £50m in additional activity...Varane? Funding the valuation gap in a DeGea-Oblak swap?
Could “trading” Pogba to Juve be a giant head start on remaking United under Ole?
I know this is way too much activity to expect in a single window, especially for this club, but I do think there can be additional benefits to trading Pogba for Ronaldo.
Lukaku has score similar no. of goals this season in Serie A as his first season with us in PL, while also taking penalties.Well let's look shall we. It is an inferior league, look at what Lukaku is doing out there.
Only if we get grealish to replace Pogba.Would anyone here swap him for Pogba?
Make it 2. I believe there are a few more.I guess i’m the only one on the Caf who do not want him back at OT
Yup, 3.Make it 2. I believe there are a few more.
+1Make it 2. I believe there are a few more.
Like for like swap? hell yes.Would anyone here swap him for Pogba?
Are you crazy?Would anyone here swap him for Pogba?
No you are not alone.I guess i’m the only one on the Caf who do not want him back at OT
And another.No you are not alone.
Would be a disaster in every way.I guess i’m the only one on the Caf who do not want him back at OT
Yeah totally agree Utd should only be considering this as a bonus signing after the important business, if there is any possibility that this affects that then we have to pass on it in my opinion great as he still is of courseWould be amazing if this was in addition to the likes of Sancho/Rice/Varane, the deals we're in real need of getting over the line.
If it's in place of these moves, then steer well clear.
I'm a cynic, but I think one of the reasons the Glazers could go for this is because they know it will divide the fanbase in a way that would benefit them. And prove a cheaper/more profitable option in regards to sponsorships than someone like Sancho.
Love to see him back, but only if we're making real, meaningful investments for the future alongside it.
It can hardly be that kind of signing? Just the wages would be huge money, and we arguably need strengthening in at least 5 positions, which is more than can be solved in a single window.Yeah totally agree Utd should only be considering this as a bonus signing after the important business, if there is any possibility that this affects that then we have to pass on it in my opinion great as he still is of course
Ronaldo and Cavani would be brilliant together imo. Just as Cavani was a fantastic signing last year, Ronnie would do the same next year. Experienced winners tend to have a positive impact on those around them, which is especially important when you have a manager and coaches who don't know what they're doing.Maybe if Juve want Pogba they can pay for him? And we can use that money for a replacement, and also look to strengthen other areas in greater need. If they have no cash, then that's too bad. If Pogba wants out, I'm sure we'll find a buyer.
As great of a story it would be, what value is a 36 year old Ronaldo to us, considering we just tied 34 year old Cavani down for another season.
Smells like Juve trying to solve a problem of their own while trying to resign Pogba. This transfer would be moronic.
Will he solve any of the areas we need to strengthen? I just wouldn't see the logic when we have glaring areas we need to strengthen, whereas CR would be anl complete PR indulgence as far as I can see.Ronaldo and Cavani would be brilliant together imo. Just as Cavani was a fantastic signing last year, Ronnie would do the same next year. Experienced winners tend to have a positive impact on those around them, which is especially important when you have a manager and coaches who don't know what they're doing.
We need more goals and creative ideas in attack, which would instantly be resolved with Ronaldo in this side, especially when playing off of Bruno. We would instantly have the best attack in the league. I think we can use Ronaldo for a couple of years, buy a defender this year and then buy Haaland the following summer.Will he solve any of the areas we need to strengthen? I just wouldn't see the logic when we have glaring areas we need to strengthen, whereas CR would be anl complete PR indulgence as far as I can see.
Not this again.His commercial value more than cover his wages.
This. He would be class and score loads. It won't happen and we should look to build a squad for the future, but as a stop gap signing, well bar Messi there isn't a better stop gap signing than him.Ronaldo and Cavani would be brilliant together imo. Just as Cavani was a fantastic signing last year, Ronnie would do the same next year. Experienced winners tend to have a positive impact on those around them, which is especially important when you have a manager and coaches who don't know what they're doing.
Normally I would agree, but he doesn’t seem to be happy at Juventus anymore (and neither do their fans) and his options are limited. Barely anybody can cover his ridiculous wages, so it’s natural that rumors of a return are once again surfacing. I’d give it a 10% chance of happening, mainly because the Glazers need to do something to appease the fanbase. Not sure how I’d feel about it, 18 years after his debut with us and him giving his prime years to other clubs...Always wonder how this thread racks up the pages year after year, despite zero chance of it happening.
Yeah we had Alexis break our wage structure and are only just getting that side of things sortedHe’s going to be on close to 600k per week if he comes and it will boom our wage structure up north. Let him be Juventus’s problem