Cristiano Ronaldo : The Juventus Chapter

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Unreal numbers this season. Shouldn't be possible at this age and position yet here we are.

This guy, and Messi, which remains to be seen but I believe in it, will unlock a new age of forwards that will now truly believe they can go to 36/36 too at top level.
 

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Unreal numbers this season. Shouldn't be possible at this age and position yet here we are.

This guy, and Messi, which remains to be seen but I believe in it, will unlock a new age of forwards that will now truly believe they can go to 36/36 too at top level.
That age has been unlocked since long, at least in Serie A.

Antonio Di Natale was capocannoniere in 2011 at 34, Luca Toni in in 2016 at 38, Fabio Quagliarella in 2019 at 36; this year Ibrahimovic has 12 goals in 10 games at 39.

The level of Cristiano exceptionalism on these shores is amusing at times.
 

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That age has been unlocked since long, at least in Serie A.

Antonio Di Natale was capocannoniere in 2011 at 34, Luca Toni in in 2016 at 38, Fabio Quagliarella in 2019 at 36; this year Ibrahimovic has 12 goals in 10 games at 39.

The level of Cristiano exceptionalism on these shores is amusing at times.
Yeah he’s not really an exceptional player is he?
 

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That age has been unlocked since long, at least in Serie A.

Antonio Di Natale was capocannoniere in 2011 at 34, Luca Toni in in 2016 at 38, Fabio Quagliarella in 2019 at 36; this year Ibrahimovic has 12 goals in 10 games at 39.

The level of Cristiano exceptionalism on these shores is amusing at times.
On other shores the numbers have been no different, consistency is exceptional.
 

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That age has been unlocked since long, at least in Serie A.

Antonio Di Natale was capocannoniere in 2011 at 34, Luca Toni in in 2016 at 38, Fabio Quagliarella in 2019 at 36; this year Ibrahimovic has 12 goals in 10 games at 39.

The level of Cristiano exceptionalism on these shores is amusing at times.
It's one of the weaker leagues defensively for sure, so it bodes well for aging poachers. Which isn't to say Ronaldo isn't having a wonderful season, but Serie A is a shell of what it used to be.
 

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Yeah he’s not really an exceptional player is he?
Doh, of course he is... like that was the point, uh.

On other shores the numbers have been no different, consistency is exceptional.
Again, that's obviously an unassailable fact.


It's just the 360° 24/7 non -stop hyperbole around him that's mildly amusing.
Like, the post I quoted - a new age of aspirational longevity unlocked by Ronaldo still being Ronaldo at 36 in a league that has seen loads of examples of strikers capable of staying at their relative top in their mid thirties for a good solid decade.
 

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@abundance I respect it if that's your view, fair enough man. I think I view it a bit differently or from another angle, not disregarding whatever you said about Serie A, which I have to mostly agree with.

The numbers he is putting come on the back of 12 or 13 years of already great consistency, that's more my angle. Of course we can even argue Quagliarella himself had a great season just a couple years back, at a similar age, but I meant that's my view because in Ronaldo's case these numbers are just a continuation of his previous incredible form at Real Madrid which lasted 9 years already. And of course his Man United days as well. You can also see that despite my obvious liking to Ronaldo, I put Messi along side there so I think my view here is a bit more global rather than just pure elevation of this Ronald's season.

The fact is, I never quite understood why there's so few top level football players above let's say, 33. There's quite a few yeah, but I look at other sports like cycling which I watch a lot, and I'm wondering how come there's such a disparity in numbers, percentage wise? So many cyclists keep going until 37, 38, 39, at top level, and it's a sport where maturity and Peak performance comes above 30. Even in Tennis which a very heavy sport IMO it's becoming more clear players can still keep going at top level beyond 32, which was a rare feat 15 years ago. So I think in football a lot of it is psychological after a certain age.

Sorry for the long post!
 

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Just read ever since he turned to age 30, he has already scored 300 goals. Which means up to this point, from age 30 to 36, he has average scored 50 goals per year. He really ages well.
 

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That age has been unlocked since long, at least in Serie A.

Antonio Di Natale was capocannoniere in 2011 at 34, Luca Toni in in 2016 at 38, Fabio Quagliarella in 2019 at 36; this year Ibrahimovic has 12 goals in 10 games at 39.

The level of Cristiano exceptionalism on these shores is amusing at times.
To be fair, Vardy is age 34 and he is top scorer in PL last season and one of top in current campaign, Ibrahimovic was 35 when he scored 28 goals in England and was the top scorer in our club too, Suarez still scoring goals at age 34 in Spain. And if we go back bit in time, Sheringham was still top player in PL even when he was in his mid-late 30s. So its not necessarily only about the league/country they are playing, its more about the player.

Let's use age 33+ as benchmark (as 33 is where most players' form start to drop drastically) and compare in longer period of that to make it clear picture.

Di Natale
33: 28 goals (29 goals in all competitions) (Italy)
34: 29 goals (Italy)
35: 26 goals (27 goals in all competitions) (Italy)
36: 20 goals (Italy)

37: 18 goals (Italy)
38: 4 goals (Italy)

Toni
33: 9 goals (Italy)
35: 8 goals (Italy)
36: 21 goals (Italy)
37: 23 goals (Italy)

38: 7 goals (Italy)

Quagliarella
33: 8 goals (Italy)
34: 12 goals (Italy)
35: 19 goals (Italy)
36: 26 goals (italy)
37: 12 goals (Italy) (14 goals in all competitions)
38: currently 7 goals in half season (Italy)

Ibrahimovic:
33: 30 goals (France)
34: 50 goals (France)
35: 28 goals (England)
36: 22 goals (US)
37: 31 goals (US)

38: 11 goals (Italy)
39: currently 14 goals in half season (Italy)

Sheringham:
33: 6 goals (England)
34: 21 goals (England)
35: 13 goals (England)
36: 13 goals (England) (15 goals in all competitions)
37: 10 goals (England)
38: 21 goals (England, Championship level)
39: 7 goals (England)
40: 2 goals (England)

Vardy:
33: 23 goals (England)
34: currently 13 goals in half season (England)

Suarez:
33: 21 goals (Spain) (25 goals in all competitions)
34: currently 14 goals in half season (Spain)

Ronaldo:
33: 44 goals (Spain) (50 goals in all competitions)
34: 28 goals (Italy) (42 goals in all competitions)
35: 37 goals (Italy) (41 goals in all competitions)
36: currently 23 goals in half season (Italy)



Footnote:
over 20-30 goals per season are in bold
(bracket include international goals in all competitions)
over 40-50 goals per season are in underline
Italic represent the current seasons where they are still half way through and may score more

So, if we judge by goals over 20-30 per year, there are only a very few doing it consistently, Ibrahimovic and Di Natlie are the only other ones with few consecutive seasons doing it, Suarez and Vardy has the potential, lets see how well they last.

If we judge by goals over 40-50 per year (in all competition), only Ronaldo has been doing it all the time, none of the other players doing it in any season, except Ibrahimovic doing it once in France.

Its seem for any of the players in modern era, only Ibrahimovic still in top form even after he reach age 39, in average most players form drop when they reach around 32-33 of age, some of them drop when they reach 30-31 of age too. With only very exceptions highlighted above, their form eventually drop once they reach age 37-38 followed by retirement.
 
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To be fair, Vardy is age 34 and he is top scorer in PL last season and one of top in current campaign, Ibrahimovic was 35 when he scored 28 goals in England and was the top scorer in our club too, Suarez still scoring goals at age 34 in Spain, so its not only about the league/country, its more about the player.

Let's use age 33+ as benchmark and compare in longer period of that to make it clear picture.

Di Natle
33: 28 goals (29 goals in all competitions) (Italy)
34: 29 goals (Italy)
35: 26 goals (27 goals in all competitions) (Italy)
36: 20 goals (Italy)

37: 18 goals (Italy)
38: 4 goals (Italy)

Toni
33: 9 goals (Italy)
35: 8 goals (Italy)
36: 21 goals (Italy)
37: 23 goals (Italy)

38: 7 goals (Italy)

Quagliarella
33: 8 goals (Italy)
34: 12 goals (Italy)
35: 19 goals (Italy)
36: 26 goals (italy)
37: 12 goals (14 goals in all competitions) (Italy)
38: currently 7 goals in half season (Italy)

Ibrahimovic:
33: 30 goals (France)
34: 50 goals (France)
35: 28 goals (England)
36: 22 goals (US)
37: 31 goals (US)

38: 11 goals (Italy)
39: currently 14 goals in half season (Italy)

Vardy:
33: 23 goals (England)
34: currently 13 goals in half season (England)

Suarez:
33: 21 goals (Spain) (25 goals in all competitions)
34: currently 14 goals in half season (Spain)

Ronaldo:
33: 44 goals (Spain) (50 goals in all competitions)
34: 28 goals (Italy) (42 goals in all competitions)
35: 37 goals (Italy) (41 goals in all competitions)
36: currently 23 goals in half season (Italy)



Footnote:
over 20-30 goals per season are in bold
(bracket include international goals in all competitions)
over 40-50 goals per season are in underline


So, if we judge by goals over 20-30 per year, there are only a very few doing it consistently, Ibrahimovic and Di Natlie are the only other ones with few consecutive seasons doing it.

If we judge by goals over 40-50 per year (in all competition), only Ronaldo has been doing it all the time, none of the other players your mentioned every doing it in any season, except Ibrahimovic doing it once in France.

Its seem for any of the players in modern era, only Ibrahimovic still in top form even after he reach age 39, in average most players form drop when they reach around 32-33 of age, some of them drop when they reach 30-31 of age too. With only very exceptions highlighted above, their form eventually drop once they reach age 37-38.
Brilliant post.

Ronaldo is the greatest goalscorer of all time. Sad his haters are missing out on this. We truly will not see anyone like him in our lifetime again.
 

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The fact is, I never quite understood why there's so few top level football players above let's say, 33. There's quite a few yeah, but I look at other sports like cycling which I watch a lot, and I'm wondering how come there's such a disparity in numbers, percentage wise? So many cyclists keep going until 37, 38, 39, at top level, and it's a sport where maturity and Peak performance comes above 30. Even in Tennis which a very heavy sport IMO it's becoming more clear players can still keep going at top level beyond 32, which was a rare feat 15 years ago. So I think in football a lot of it is psychological after a certain age.
I think that's more to do with physical nature of the game. Football game last 90 mins every matches in very high intensity in top level, and the pitch often covers long distance, so technique and experience alone is not sufficient to sustain. For example if we look at Rooney, who's game is more rely on his physical edge (pace, strength, stamina etc), he no longer a top player at age 30-31, and no longer quite up to PL standard at age 33, and he retired at age 35. Even if we look at other top technical player, like Messi, his form drop a lot this season at age 33 too, and we have other skilful players like L.Ronaldo and Ronaldinho dropping drastically just when they are about to enter age 30. But there are some players like Sheringham who is still doing a fine job in England even at age 34-38 though, as his game never rely on pace, strength and stamina throughout his career, and its more on decision making etc, so he is one of very few exceptions. Of course, there is also Ibra.
So its fair to say normally once the player loss their pace, stamina and physical edge at around age 33, they performance regress and no longer meet the standard required at top level. And that applies to most of technical player as well.
 
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36 years old, even not being the best player in the world and despite a massive ego he certainly is a special type of player.
 

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36 years old now.. how long can he go on for!? When will he go to the MLS or China to cash in?

Surely Ronaldo needs to retire from the Portugal National Team after the World Cup next year? He will be 37.. he surely doesn't have another World Cup in him at 41 years of age in the searing heat of Qutar.. and he's already won the Euros.. surely it's time to pass the baton and armband on to Bruno Fernandes? The future. If there's a penalty in the Euros this year who would you want to take it for Portugal? Ronaldo or the iceman Bruno? Cool-as-a-cucumber penalty taking style.

when the evergreen Ryan Giggs (the gold standard in longevity) turned 36 I think he retired from Wales and started to get grey hair haha! no sign of that with Ronaldo yet! He's really amazing specimen and will create case studies for years
 

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I think that's more to do with physical nature of the game. Football game last 90 mins every matches in very high intensity in top level, and the pitch often covers long distance, so technique and experience alone is not sufficient to sustain. For example if we look at Rooney, who's game is more rely on his physical edge (pace, strength, stamina etc), he no longer a top player at age 30-31, and no longer quite up to PL standard at age 33, and he retired at age 35. Even if we look at other top technical player, like Messi, his form drop a lot this season at age 33 too, and we have other skilful players like L.Ronaldo and Ronaldinho dropping drastically just when they are about to enter age 30. But there are some players like Sheringham who is still doing a fine job in England even at age 34-38 though, as his game never rely on pace, strength and stamina throughout his career, and its more on decision making etc, so he is one of very few exceptions. Of course, there is also Ibra.
So its fair to say normally once the player loss their pace, stamina and physical edge at around age 33, they performance regress and no longer meet the standard required at top level. And that applies to most of technical player as well.

I don't think that's the case to be honest. We've seen players like Modric going incredible distances aged 34/35. We've seen Ribery and Robben play to a world class level at 34/35,at least when they were fit. Ibrahimovic is still a top level striker aged 39.

To me it seems it is much more about players being "worn out". Football is a sport that's really strainful to your joints, especially at top level. We see players losing their agility (Rooney) and we see players becoming more injury prone as they age (Schweinsteiger, Hazard, Robben). If they can prevent both - and science offers more and more methods in that regard - they can maintain their level for very long. I think it's no coincidence that both Cristiano and Ibrahimovic were attested th have very healthy joints etc. during medicals. It has clearly tobdo with such stuff, IMO
 

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People need to realise that it's not just the fact that he's 36. That's old for any footballer, but it's even more for a player like Ronaldo, because he has so much mileage on his body. The man has been playing pretty much every single game at the highest level for almost two decades. He's played well over 1,000 games of football at this point and is still in better shape than most players ten years younger than him are.

Consider that he's been at three of the biggest clubs in the world playing league games every weekend, playing European football and cup matches mid-week, more often than not deep into the knockout stages, and going to international tournaments with Portugal every other summer. He's been doing this for the better part of two decades and has seemingly never switched off, because the goals never ever dried up. He might be 36, but even the very best players usually have to play into their 40s to get as many games under their belt as Ronaldo. For example, Ibra turns 40 this year and is on just under 950 professional games.

In comparison, Vardy only started playing professional football nine years ago. Luca Toni and Quagliarella spent a lot of their careers in lower leagues or as bit-part players for mid-table teams. None of them have had the added stress of Champions League football mid-week year in and year out. The only player who compares in terms of mileage (aside from Messi) is Ibra, and even he spent considerable time in less demanding leagues and has nowhere near the same amount of games in the business end of the CL. Same goes for Suarez. Both are rightfully regarded as two of the greatest players of their generation, but they pale in comparison to Ronaldo (and Messi).
 

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People need to realise that it's not just the fact that he's 36. That's old for any footballer, but it's even more for a player like Ronaldo, because he has so much mileage on his body. The man has been playing pretty much every single game at the highest level for almost two decades. He's played well over 1,000 games of football at this point and is still in better shape than most players ten years younger than him are.

Consider that he's been at three of the biggest clubs in the world playing league games every weekend, playing European football and cup matches mid-week, more often than not deep into the knockout stages, and going to international tournaments with Portugal every other summer. He's been doing this for the better part of two decades and has seemingly never switched off, because the goals never ever dried up. He might be 36, but even the very best players usually have to play into their 40s to get as many games under their belt as Ronaldo. For example, Ibra turns 40 this year and is on just under 950 professional games.

In comparison, Vardy only started playing professional football nine years ago. Luca Toni and Quagliarella spent a lot of their careers in lower leagues or as bit-part players for mid-table teams. None of them have had the added stress of Champions League football mid-week year in and year out. The only player who compares in terms of mileage (aside from Messi) is Ibra, and even he spent considerable time in less demanding leagues and has nowhere near the same amount of games in the business end of the CL. Same goes for Suarez. Both are rightfully regarded as two of the greatest players of their generation, but they pale in comparison to Ronaldo (and Messi).
Great post. It’s criminally overlooked but the sheer mileage in his legs is what makes everything he’s doing even more supernatural. We talk about players who started early burning out like Torres, Owen, Rooney etc but Ronaldo started as young as them and is still going - seemingly as good as ever. If you research the players with the most appearances in football, you’ll find that only 3 or 4 outfield players in the history of the sport have played more games than him. He’s already surpassed giggs in career games (even Giggs played most of his latter years as a rotational player and wasn’t playing every minute of every game like Ronaldo). I think the other overall players ahead of him are mostly goalkeepers and even the outfield players with more career games than him played maybe a few hundred of those games at a lower level unlike Ronaldo who has been at the pinnacle of the sport throughout.

There simply has never been anyone like him. He has revolutionised the sport in many ways.
 

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Great post. It’s criminally overlooked but the sheer mileage in his legs is what makes everything he’s doing even more supernatural. We talk about players who started early burning out like Torres, Owen, Rooney etc but Ronaldo started as young as them and is still going - seemingly as good as ever. If you research the players with the most appearances in football, you’ll find that only 3 or 4 outfield players in the history of the sport have played more games than him. He’s already surpassed giggs in career games (even Giggs played most of his latter years as a rotational player and wasn’t playing every minute of every game like Ronaldo). I think the other overall players ahead of him are mostly goalkeepers and even the outfield players with more career games than him played maybe a few hundred of those games at a lower level unlike Ronaldo who has been at the pinnacle of the sport throughout.

There simply has never been anyone like him. He has revolutionised the sport in many ways.
Exactly. That's another aspect I forgot to mention. All but the most professional players wane in their early 30s when they start out as teenage prodigies, and especially attackers that rely on power and pace. The ones you mentioned were shells of their former selves once their pace went. GOAT candidates like R9 and Ronaldinho also faded away early because they and their bodies couldn't handle the dedication required and/or the physical strain of playing the game.

Most of the players who were considered similar talents to Ronaldo back when he was a teenager have already retired or gone to the typical pre-retirement journeyman leagues for a big payday, or their home leagues in the case of Robinho, Quaresma and Diego. Ronaldo has played far more games than even the best of them and is arguably still better than they were at their very best.

He's a complete freak of nature, and any attempt to downplay his recent achievements and performances is just ludicrous. If you had told anyone back in 2003 that a player playing the game today would go on to score 800 goals and play over 1,000 games for three European powerhouses they would have thought you were insane. Those are the sort of stats you see on FIFA or Football Manager. Ronaldo has pushed the limits to the point where the impossible has become possible in terms of longevity and consistency.
 

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He is now 15th on the all-time scorers list at Juventus with 90 goals and has just displaced Inzaghi (89).

Wonder how much of SAF's insatiable hunger for success rubbed off on him while at United. It is always hard to quantify these things but there is something similar in their mentalities to keep performing and winning silverware.
 

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I thought Juventus had played him abit too much, should have given him some rest in those lesser games, or at least sub him out in some matches instead of full 90 mins every game. But perhaps Ronaldo doesn’t want any rest as he just wants to keep on scoring goals.
 

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If one was to make a best XI with players Ronaldo has played on the same team with, with the caveat that you can only consider the seasons when they played together, what would yours be? I don’t know enough to put together a whole team but some interesting debates to be had perhaps

Defence
Van de Sar in goal I assume
Ferdinand/Vidic? Or does Ramos displace one of them?
Marcelo probably beats Evra to LB.
I’m blanking on RBs for Real, Juve and Portugal right now :lol: ; Wes was very good in 2006-08 but don’t know if he would make this team. Who were the other RBs he’s played with?

Midfield
Kroos and Scholes, anyone? Xabi Alonso would have a claim too.

Attack
Benzema or Rooney?

Not sure if any of his Juventus teammates would get in, but as you can tell from my post I don’t watch a lot of football so I may be off on that.
 

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Comparable to LeBron.. won everything, same age group, plays every game (unlike other stars who rests occasionally, even when Lakers are doing comparably well in the league), and contributes so much to the team.
 

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Doh, of course he is... like that was the point, uh.


Again, that's obviously an unassailable fact.


It's just the 360° 24/7 non -stop hyperbole around him that's mildly amusing.
Like, the post I quoted - a new age of aspirational longevity unlocked by Ronaldo still being Ronaldo at 36 in a league that has seen loads of examples of strikers capable of staying at their relative top in their mid thirties for a good solid decade.
Di Natale has no business in this thread, he did it once or twice, ronaldo did it for 20+ years
 

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He is now 15th on the all-time scorers list at Juventus with 90 goals and has just displaced Inzaghi (89).

Wonder how much of SAF's insatiable hunger for success rubbed off on him while at United. It is always hard to quantify these things but there is something similar in their mentalities to keep performing and winning silverware.
Absolutely, somewhere in Wilmslow Ferguson is grinning like a Cheshire cat (pun intended) while watching the latest highlights from his protégé :drool:
 

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Juventus shouldnt have signed ronaldo. His transfer fee and wages have screwed Juventus fianncially and left them short in a number of areas. They chased the dream that CR7 would get them another CL trophy but it hasnt happen so far. They are left with a old immobile striker whos costing a fortune to keep at the club.

https://www.blackwhitereadallover.c...gnelli-2020-serie-a-transfers-team-management

The Ronaldo experiment may not have been the right way to go
Signing Cristiano Ronaldo was a huge financial gamble — and it’s one that Juve may not be able to win.
 
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Juventus shouldnt have signed ronaldo. His transfer fee and wages have screwed Juventus fianncially and left them short in a number of areas. They chased the dream that CR7 would get them another CL trophy but it hasnt happen so far. They are left with a old immobile striker whos costing a fortune to keep at the club.
Immobile plays for Lazio, mate.
 

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Juventus shouldnt have signed ronaldo. His transfer fee and wages have screwed Juventus fianncially and left them short in a number of areas. They chased the dream that CR7 would get them another CL trophy but it hasnt happen so far. They are left with a old immobile striker whos costing a fortune to keep at the club.

https://www.blackwhitereadallover.c...gnelli-2020-serie-a-transfers-team-management

The Ronaldo experiment may not have been the right way to go
Signing Cristiano Ronaldo was a huge financial gamble — and it’s one that Juve may not be able to win.
:lol:
 

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Juventus shouldnt have signed ronaldo. His transfer fee and wages have screwed Juventus fianncially and left them short in a number of areas. They chased the dream that CR7 would get them another CL trophy but it hasnt happen so far. They are left with a old immobile striker whos costing a fortune to keep at the club.

https://www.blackwhitereadallover.c...gnelli-2020-serie-a-transfers-team-management

The Ronaldo experiment may not have been the right way to go
Signing Cristiano Ronaldo was a huge financial gamble — and it’s one that Juve may not be able to win.
That’s it. After two CL finals in 2015 and 2017, Agnelli gambled on the single best player around to make the ultimate step in the CL instead of consolidating that level while rejuvenating the squad. Commercially, it has been a great success, though, with the logo change and the penetration of until then impossible masses of casual fans.
 

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That’s it. After two CL finals in 2015 and 2017, Agnelli gambled on the single best player around to make the ultimate step in the CL instead of consolidating that level while rejuvenating the squad. Commercially, it has been a great success, though, with the logo change and the penetration of until then impossible masses of casual fans.
Be interesting to see how Juventus get themselves out of the debt they have incurred.

"..But the problems go deeper than the pandemic. This lengthy Twitter thread by the blogger Swiss Ramble, who focuses on the business side of the sport, analyzed the Deloitte Money League from 2018-19 season, the most recent season with data available. Based on that data, Juve operated at the fourth-largest loss in Europe and had the second-highest net debt. The club’s finances haven’t been the same since they detonated Marotta’s carefully constructed wage structure to invest in Ronaldo, and it’s preventing the front office from addressing the team’s needs in a timely manner. While the de Ligt deal certainly was an excellent move, instead of going for a similar move to upgrade the midfield in the same window, Chief Football Officer Fabio Paratici was reduced to signing Rabiot and Ramsey on Bosmans and hoping they worked out the way Pogba and Andrea Pirlo did. The repeated attempts to get Higuain’s contract off the books, starting the moment Ronaldo arrived, are a major indicator of how much the team needs to work around his line of the wage bill.

The disproportionate spending on Ronaldo is preventing the club from adequately and quickly improving the rest of the squad — thereby wasting the opportunity to attain the on-field success they’re looking for with Ronaldo on the field. It’s a vicious cycle that keeps the team locked in relative mediocrity in continental competition..."
 

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Be interesting to see how Juventus get themselves out of the debt they have incurred.

"..But the problems go deeper than the pandemic. This lengthy Twitter thread by the blogger Swiss Ramble, who focuses on the business side of the sport, analyzed the Deloitte Money League from 2018-19 season, the most recent season with data available. Based on that data, Juve operated at the fourth-largest loss in Europe and had the second-highest net debt. The club’s finances haven’t been the same since they detonated Marotta’s carefully constructed wage structure to invest in Ronaldo, and it’s preventing the front office from addressing the team’s needs in a timely manner. While the de Ligt deal certainly was an excellent move, instead of going for a similar move to upgrade the midfield in the same window, Chief Football Officer Fabio Paratici was reduced to signing Rabiot and Ramsey on Bosmans and hoping they worked out the way Pogba and Andrea Pirlo did. The repeated attempts to get Higuain’s contract off the books, starting the moment Ronaldo arrived, are a major indicator of how much the team needs to work around his line of the wage bill.

The disproportionate spending on Ronaldo is preventing the club from adequately and quickly improving the rest of the squad — thereby wasting the opportunity to attain the on-field success they’re looking for with Ronaldo on the field. It’s a vicious cycle that keeps the team locked in relative mediocrity in continental competition..."
Nah, it’s not so dramatic: they can let Ronaldo go this Summer, sell their jewels (Dybala, Demiral, De Ligt), even loan a minority stake of the club to funds in exchange of liquidity. Covid will be hopefully done by the end of the year and next season cash will be flowing again. Nuclear option being, the Exor conglomerate injecting their own cash in a creative manner again to keep their football & entertainment ship afloat.
 

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Juventus shouldnt have signed ronaldo. His transfer fee and wages have screwed Juventus fianncially and left them short in a number of areas. They chased the dream that CR7 would get them another CL trophy but it hasnt happen so far. They are left with a old immobile striker whos costing a fortune to keep at the club.

https://www.blackwhitereadallover.c...gnelli-2020-serie-a-transfers-team-management

The Ronaldo experiment may not have been the right way to go
Signing Cristiano Ronaldo was a huge financial gamble — and it’s one that Juve may not be able to win.
Commercially it’s been success though, they have attracted much more followings after the signing for sure.

Player investment vs football wise, well Barca paid Messi 555m in past 4 years but still couldn’t guarantee any CL trophy, in fact there no player any club could sign which would guarantee that (maybe peak Messi or Ronaldo could, maybe). Truth is we have also spend over 700m in past 7 seasons and couldn’t win any major trophy. It’s always a gamble when spending big money, either on Messi, Ronaldo or on any other 20+ expensive signings like we did. At the end of the day, Ronaldo has scored 90 goals in 117 games for them so far, they really can’t expect better return if they spend same amount of money elsewhere.
 
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Nah, it’s not so dramatic: they can let Ronaldo go this Summer, sell their jewels (Dybala, Demiral, De Ligt), even loan a minority stake of the club to funds in exchange of liquidity. Covid will be hopefully done by the end of the year and next season cash will be flowing again. Nuclear option being, the Exor conglomerate injecting their own cash in a creative manner again to keep their football & entertainment ship afloat.
their wage bill is always going to be high when signing Bosmans.

how much will Ramsey have cost them over the life of his contract?
 

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Be interesting to see how Juventus get themselves out of the debt they have incurred.

"..But the problems go deeper than the pandemic. This lengthy Twitter thread by the blogger Swiss Ramble, who focuses on the business side of the sport, analyzed the Deloitte Money League from 2018-19 season, the most recent season with data available. Based on that data, Juve operated at the fourth-largest loss in Europe and had the second-highest net debt. The club’s finances haven’t been the same since they detonated Marotta’s carefully constructed wage structure to invest in Ronaldo, and it’s preventing the front office from addressing the team’s needs in a timely manner. While the de Ligt deal certainly was an excellent move, instead of going for a similar move to upgrade the midfield in the same window, Chief Football Officer Fabio Paratici was reduced to signing Rabiot and Ramsey on Bosmans and hoping they worked out the way Pogba and Andrea Pirlo did. The repeated attempts to get Higuain’s contract off the books, starting the moment Ronaldo arrived, are a major indicator of how much the team needs to work around his line of the wage bill.

The disproportionate spending on Ronaldo is preventing the club from adequately and quickly improving the rest of the squad — thereby wasting the opportunity to attain the on-field success they’re looking for with Ronaldo on the field. It’s a vicious cycle that keeps the team locked in relative mediocrity in continental competition..."
I'm not really sure on the certainty of such analysis.

Of course Ronaldo's huge wage create a strain but without Ronaldo would Juve win the last 2 serie As and the money that brings?
Also Juventus has been hiring poorly in general, this has nothing to do with money as they bring washed up players with big wages, why not getting youngsters that have lower wages but more expensive to start? The expenditure would be the same but with the possibility of selling them in the future.

They for example sold Cancelo to get Danilo. Why selling a very important player and get in exchange and older, meh player that has huge wages? If they wanted to save something why not someone younger?
If Higuain was the problem why not letting him go immediately for free instead of waiting a full year and dragging him around?
 

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When it comes to football finance Swiss Ramble is as good as it gets. If they say this is the situation i would believe them as do all the best footy journalists.