Cristiano Ronaldo : The Juventus Chapter

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What challenge is Ronaldo facing?

He is playing for the best italian team in the last 10 years.
Also he hasn't even been a top 3 goalscorer in CL since he is in Juventus, who would have thought... playing for better teams boost your individual performances.
Seems like someone is missing Kroos,Modric, Carvajal and Benzema assists in CL.
Well Juventus was traditionally a very defensive team. For example, even at age 35 last season, he managed to break the record of scoring most goals in a single season for Juventus (37 goals), the previous record which held since nearly a century ago, I think that speaks volumes. This season at age 36, he is currently on 34 goals and looks set to break the record again. To put things into perspective, a player who is at age 35-36, going to break the club goal record twice in a row, which previously has been lasting for almost a century, respect man.
 
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I see, another newbie who's trying to ganner likes by slandering Cristiano. Of the player he's compared with, he's the last to win the Champions League, and at the same age, he was tearing the likes of Atletico, Bayern a new one in the competition. Only Cristiano is expected to "carry" a team to the CL at age 36, while the other guy walks his way to elimination, season after season without a single shred of accountability.
 

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Isn’t Messi carrying his team to a similar position :confused:

Both of the best players I’ve ever seen play currently sit 3rd in their respective league tables. Both on level points with 2nd.

Bunch of weird cnuts in here I tell ya.
Allow the Messi fanatics. They probably all share a single IQ between them.

It’s also worth noting that 20 of Ronaldo’s 27 league goals have come when his team were drawing or losing while only 10 of Messi’s 28 have been the same.

Yet, we only hear that Messi needs help or that he’s carrying Barcelona all alone, “the biggest carry job in history.” However, when it comes to Ronaldo, it’s always, “Juve would be winning the league without him anyway” or that “all he does is stat-pad penalties and tap-ins.”
 

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Is it a slight stain on him that Juventus have failed to win their first title in years in a period where he's the main man? Before people lump in, I'm not saying it is and Ronaldo is the best of all time for me, but it doesn't look great that they have lost to that Inter side led by a pretty average Lukaku. Can we attribute it down to poor management?
 

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Is it a slight stain on him that Juventus have failed to win their first title in years in a period where he's the main man? Before people lump in, I'm not saying it is and Ronaldo is the best of all time for me, but it doesn't look great that they have lost to that Inter side led by a pretty average Lukaku. Can we attribute it down to poor management?
I don't know about you, but that sure as hell makes a lot more sense to me than to blame it on the guy with 27 goals in 30 games.
 

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Well Juventus was traditionally a very defensive team. For example, even at age 35 last season, he managed to break the record of scoring most goals in a single season for Juventus (37 goals), the previous record which held since nearly a century ago, I think that speaks volumes. This season at age 36, he is currently on 34 goals and looks set to break the record again. To put things into perspective, a player who is at age 35-36, going to break the club goal record twice in a row, which previously has been lasting for almost a century, respect man.
Well I definitely feel it's disingenuous of posters to ignore the expectations of a 33-36 to carry Juventus to a CL win. I think currently there have never been higher expectations of a 36 year old who's also played a huge amount games in his career at the highest level. Superficially it doesn't look to good that they are struggling to be 4th this season and losing their first title in almost a decade, but I wouldn't blame the Seria A topscorer for that failing.
 

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Well I definitely feel it's disingenuous of posters to ignore the expectations of a 33-36 to carry Juventus to a CL win. I think currently there have never been higher expectations of a 36 year old who's also played a huge amount games in his career at the highest level. Superficially it doesn't look to good that they are struggling to be 4th this season and losing their first title in almost a decade, but I wouldn't blame the Seria A topscorer for that failing.
There has never been a 36 year old who is paid around three times more than De Gea who is supposed to be the best paid player currently in the EPL. With the reputation he's forged and that kind of outlay come the expectations, and rightly so. Same goes for Messi btw.
 

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Ronaldo's years at Juve aren't exactly a fail but I can see why some people may say they are.

In one hand you can't really blame a 36y old for having less impact and consistency than he had for 90% of his career. On the other hand despite his age, his absurd wage is based on the fact that he could be the guy taking Juve to the CL title and he/Juve failed on that aspect.

It's not exactly his fault but in the end he didn't add that much to their chances either.

If you don't consider his wages, he actually did an incredible job at Juve, he just didn't do anything that would justify that amount of money.
 
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Ronaldo's years at Juve aren't exactly a fail but I can see why some people may say they are.

In one hand you can't really blame a 36y old for having less impact and consistency than he had for 90% of his career. On the other hand despite his age, his absurd wage is based on the fact that he could be the guy taking Juve to the CL title and he/Juve failed on that aspect.

It's not exactly his fault but in the end he didn't add that much to their chances either.

If you don't consider his wages, he actually did an incredible job at Juve, he just didn't do anything that would justify that amount of money.
Well to be fair his wage in Juventus is less than half of what Messi was earning in Barca past 4 years (according to recent report), but Barca surely didn’t win any CL trophy in past 4 years. Not his fault but he didn’t justify his wage either.

But then we hear many people coming out saying Messi helps to bring far more revenue than what he had cost Barca, which I thought is also a valid point. If that’s the case, at least in terms of commercial value, I don’t think there’s any other bigger name than Ronaldo, so he shouldn’t be criticized for Juventus not winning any CL, despite earning a lot.
 

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Well I definitely feel it's disingenuous of posters to ignore the expectations of a 33-36 to carry Juventus to a CL win. I think currently there have never been higher expectations of a 36 year old who's also played a huge amount games in his career at the highest level. Superficially it doesn't look to good that they are struggling to be 4th this season and losing their first title in almost a decade, but I wouldn't blame the Seria A topscorer for that failing.
Almost every other GOAT in history of game could no longer cut it in the very top level at such age, yet Ronaldo is expected to carry his team to win CL at such age. Isn’t that a compliment of the highest order?
 

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Almost every other GOAT in history of game could no longer cut it in the very top level at such age, yet Ronaldo is expected to carry his team to win CL at such age. Isn’t that a compliment of the highest order?
I think it is a compliment, but I think it's also something that some expected of him because he was always naturally athletic and complete dedicated to maintaning his athletism and he has the competive nature to keep going. So I always expected him to keep going. I honestly never myself had the expectation that Ronaldo would carry Juventus to a CL, but it was always something you could never completely rule out. I think his game against Porto this season is defnitely one of his worst CL performances, but it also goes to show that you really need everyone and not just 1 player playing to their best abilities to go far in the CL on a consistent basis. I think the Juventus project also shows the importance of having a great manager. Pirlo has been a complete failure.

Personally I wouldn't put the expectations on a 35-36 year old Messi that is put on Ronaldo if he doesnt retire before then or succumbs to injury, because he's less athletic and even though he has immense drive and mentality, he strikes me as someone who would rather retire when he's no longer by default the best in the world, but we'll see how long they both keep going.
 

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Almost every other GOAT in history of game could no longer cut it in the very top level at such age, yet Ronaldo is expected to carry his team to win CL at such age. Isn’t that a compliment of the highest order?
I don't think people are saying Ronaldo 'failed' because he didn't win the champions league though. They are saying he failed because he has been outscored by Quagliarella and Immobile for the Capocannoniere in both of the previous seasons. He looks on course to win it this season but it comes in a season where Juventus have lost their first league trophy in a decade.

Personally, I think it's harsh to blame him for Juve's downfall this season, that rests on poor management and transfers. I do think his goalscoring has been underwhelming, considering the standard of the players who have put in better individual seasons than him since he's been in Serie A.
 

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To be fair Messi does the same thing in a league he has only ever dominated where it so suits his game with the ball on the floor 24/7.

Shame he doesn't have the guts to try out a new league where he will end up as a failure as he did with Argentina and with Barcelona post Xavi and Iniesta's retirement where his trophy wins are shockingly low. Thought a move was finally going to happen but it was nothing more than a contract renewal because Messi is a pu**y compared to Ronaldo :lol:

Messi in these quarter final CL's are becoming an easy money maker because Barcelona never really achieve much with him without the rest of the world cup winning spanish team behind him.

But but.. a dribbling goal against getafe & betis where the defenders were never defenders in comparison to the Serie A or Premier League :drool:

So many players flop when trying to adapt to a new leagues (werner, Hazard etc) - to the point you say Ronaldo flopped at Juventus serie A; yet you cant see why so many people dont rate Messi as the GOAT because he has never tried another league apart from his delicate little la Liga home :lol:

GOAT of the La Liga. Not much else and you having a laugh at Ronaldo's lack of success in the Serie A highlights the need of Messi's success for a single club and league outside Barcelona and La Liga ( & Barcelona without the spanish world cup winners behind his back).

Thanks for showing it to the Messi fans!
This is going to rumble a lot of feathers but you have a point. I like Messi but he's the type that never leaves his comfort zone, a beta male.

The alpha male Ronaldo went to many different countries, in different leagues, and dominated all of them. Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here? Are you not entertained??
 

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This is going to rumble a lot of feathers but you have a point. I like Messi but he's the type that never leaves his comfort zone, a beta male.

The alpha male Ronaldo went to many different countries, in different leagues, and dominated all of them. Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here? Are you not entertained??
 

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This is going to rumble a lot of feathers but you have a point. I like Messi but he's the type that never leaves his comfort zone, a beta male.

The alpha male Ronaldo went to many different countries, in different leagues, and dominated all of them. Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here? Are you not entertained??
Ya perhaps Messi should learn from Ronaldo, run away from the more competitive la liga and join Bayern or PSG (the 1 club in the 1 club league).

Alpha Male Ronaldo came to Serie A, joined Juventus the last 7x league winners when he arrived, and proceeded to make the Juventus no longer that 1 club! What domination! I am entertained indeed :)
 

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There has never been a 36 year old who is paid around three times more than De Gea who is supposed to be the best paid player currently in the EPL. With the reputation he's forged and that kind of outlay come the expectations, and rightly so. Same goes for Messi btw.
Lots of players are paid way above what they are "worth" lets take a look at Pogba, Sanchez at United, De gea, Bale in the last years at Madrid, etc.

You are referring to the Ronaldo that makes more off instagram than he does in his Juve contract. Let alone the fact the amount of commercial value he has raised for Juve and Serie a (which would be hard to quantify unless they were publicly traded).

Juve have been penny pinchers for their entire existence, the moment they decide to spend a little (peanuts compared to the contract Messi was bankrupting Barcelona of), people go crazy.

It's funny.
 

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Ya perhaps Messi should learn from Ronaldo, run away from the more competitive la liga and join Bayern or PSG (the 1 club in the 1 club league).

Alpha Male Ronaldo came to Serie A, joined Juventus the last 7x league winners when he arrived, and proceeded to make the Juventus no longer that 1 club! What domination! I am entertained indeed :)
And Messi won't even do that because he's comfortable.
 

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And Messi won't even do that because he's comfortable.
Its more comfortable to challenge for the la liga title every year against the Madrid teams compared to joining the 1 club in the 1 club league? Sure whatever floats your boat.
 

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This is going to rumble a lot of feathers but you have a point. I like Messi but he's the type that never leaves his comfort zone, a beta male.

The alpha male Ronaldo went to many different countries, in different leagues, and dominated all of them. Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here? Are you not entertained??
I just feel that it has rarely made sense for Messi to leave, because he's already a La Mazia product of his dream club. Untill he hit his prime years in 2008-2009, he was in a great place to develop in one of the worlds biggest clubs. Then when Pep took over and they became the best in the world and he won 4 ballon D'ors in a row, was he supposed to move to the PL while Ronaldo was at Real Madrid? Who would even be able to afford him? United after Fergie have been tosh. City is probably the only club that could afford him but would he even be itching to go there? For me it would only have made sense for him to move after the 18/19 season, but even then I struggle to think of which move would have seemed right. Liverpool or City at best really.
 

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I don't think people are saying Ronaldo 'failed' because he didn't win the champions league though. They are saying he failed because he has been outscored by Quagliarella and Immobile for the Capocannoniere in both of the previous seasons. He looks on course to win it this season but it comes in a season where Juventus have lost their first league trophy in a decade.

Personally, I think it's harsh to blame him for Juve's downfall this season, that rests on poor management and transfers. I do think his goalscoring has been underwhelming, considering the standard of the players who have put in better individual seasons than him since he's been in Serie A.
Well to be fair, if we compared their stats in Italy over past 3 years (since Ronaldo move to Italy):

Ronaldo: 99 goals in 129 games
Quagliarella: 49 goals in 97 games
Immobile: 82 goals in 127 games

No, they didn't outscored him. Instead, they are quite far behind from him.
Sure, if you only count on a specific period, yes they did. But not during his time in Italy overall. Its just like saying many players in Spain have outscored Messi during first half of this season, hence Messi has failed in Spain. It just doesn't make any sense.
 
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This is going to rumble a lot of feathers but you have a point. I like Messi but he's the type that never leaves his comfort zone, a beta male.

The alpha male Ronaldo went to many different countries, in different leagues, and dominated all of them. Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here? Are you not entertained??
Is this a parody post?
 

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I do wonder if Ronnie regrets moving to Juve, they are a shadow of the team they were 3-4 years ago and can only imagine if he stayed at Madrid he might have picked up another UCL and League title.

Will be very interesting to see where he goes next, theres rumours a return to Sporting is on the cards but not sure I can see that happening, I also still don't see him thinking it's time to move to MLS, he will want one more run at a UCL title,

PSG for a commercial type of transfer like Becks ? or back to United for a season or two before then heading to MLS ? I think that train has passes personally but weirder things have happened.
 

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I do wonder if Ronnie regrets moving to Juve, they are a shadow of the team they were 3-4 years ago and can only imagine if he stayed at Madrid he might have picked up another UCL and League title.

Will be very interesting to see where he goes next, theres rumours a return to Sporting is on the cards but not sure I can see that happening, I also still don't see him thinking it's time to move to MLS, he will want one more run at a UCL title,

PSG for a commercial type of transfer like Becks ? or back to United for a season or two before then heading to MLS ? I think that train has passes personally but weirder things have happened.
I think if the EPL was closer to the standard it was when he first joined us/we were more dominant he would come back here for a season or two, but not right now.

Think it'll be PSG or a swansong in Portugal personally.
 

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I do wonder if Ronnie regrets moving to Juve, they are a shadow of the team they were 3-4 years ago and can only imagine if he stayed at Madrid he might have picked up another UCL and League title.

Will be very interesting to see where he goes next, theres rumours a return to Sporting is on the cards but not sure I can see that happening, I also still don't see him thinking it's time to move to MLS, he will want one more run at a UCL title,

PSG for a commercial type of transfer like Becks ? or back to United for a season or two before then heading to MLS ? I think that train has passes personally but weirder things have happened.
I think he should have stay in Madrid, maybe he would have scored a few more goals, at least Madrid is a far more attacking side than Juventus, while they have Zidane back to manage them, which suits his game more.

But trophy wise, he might have won abit more in Juventus.

If he wants to break more records and have easy retirement years, he should just go to PSG.
 

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Well to be fair, if we compared their stats in Italy over past 3 years (since Ronaldo move to Italy):

Ronaldo: 99 goals in 129 games
Quagliarella: 49 goals in 97 games
Immobile: 82 goals in 127 games

No, they didn't outscored him. Instead, they are quite far behind from him.
Sure, if you only count on a specific period, yes they did. But not during his time in Italy overall. Its just like saying many players in Spain have outscored Messi during first half of this season, hence Messi has failed. It just doesn't make any sense.
So he should, remember the players you are comparing him to, the teams they play for and the absolute disparity in their wages. Even this season Zlatan who is 39 and has suffered lots of injuries has the same goal to minute ratio as Ronaldo.

Also, counting seasonal performances isn't arbitrary - it's how trophies are measured and rewarded. He still has yet to win the Capocannoniere which is mad considering the players who have since he arrived.
 

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So he should, remember the players you are comparing him to, the teams they play for and the absolute disparity in their wages. Even this season Zlatan who is 39 and has suffered lots of injuries has the same goal to minute ratio as Ronaldo.

Also, counting seasonal performances isn't arbitrary - it's how trophies are measured and rewarded. He still has yet to win the Capocannoniere which is mad considering the players who have since he arrived.
Well he is going to win one this season anway, and he has scored far more goals than anyone in the past 3 seasons. Whats so difficult to understand? Even peak L.Ronaldo never win one back in his time, would people criticise him because of that? Why only on 34-36 years old Ronaldo?

Sure if applying the same standard here, even Messi would look bad to some. Why? Despite 2m per week wages (which is 10 times more than most top players), he has continued to fail to win CL in past 6 years, failing to win league title last season despite playing for the biggest club in the world, outscored by many during first half of this season who only get paid less than 1/10th of his wage etc. Yes it looks very stupid, but that exactly the same logic of how people would use to criticise Ronaldo here.
 

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Well he is going to win one this season anway, and he has scored far more goals than anyone in the past 3 seasons. Whats so difficult to understand? Even peak L.Ronaldo never win one back in his time, would people criticise him because of that? Why only on 34-36 years old Ronaldo?

Sure if applying the same standard here, even Messi would look bad to some. Why? Despite 2m per week wages (which is 10 times more than most top players), he has continued to fail to win CL in past 6 years, failing to win league title last season despite playing for the biggest club in the world, outscored by many during first half of this season who only get paid less than 1/10th of his wage etc. Yes it looks very stupid, but that exactly the same logic of how people would use to criticise Ronaldo here.
Why do you keep talking about Messi? We're discussing CR7.

I think the comparison with L.Ronaldo is a little disingenuous as well as Serie A was comfortably the best league in the world back then and he only had 1 full season before getting horrifically injured. Despite that, during those 5 years he had a goal every 112 mins - in the same time, the second best striker Batistuta had a goal every 153 mins. CR7 is battling it out with Immobile, Lukaku and Quagliarella in a much weaker version of the Serie A.
 

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Why do you keep talking about Messi? We're discussing CR7.

I think the comparison with L.Ronaldo is a little disingenuous as well as Serie A was comfortably the best league in the world back then and he only had 1 full season before getting horrifically injured. Despite that, during those 5 years he had a goal every 112 mins - in the same time, the second best striker Batistuta had a goal every 153 mins. CR7 is battling it out with Immobile, Lukaku and Quagliarella in a much weaker version of the Serie A.
Well Its surely is a case of double standard here, hence its best to just give examples and applying same standard to other players, one will then find how ridiculous the criticism was. Messi is an easy reference because he is of similar status as Ronaldo (high wages, high expectations, great individual stats, but didn't win as many trophies in past couple of years).

As for L.Ronaldo, well now you are demonstrating another examples of double standard here, comparing goals per mins of LRonaldo during his time in Italy to defend his status, while ignore the same for Ronaldo during his time in Italy (where he is by far the best in total no. of goals, or goals per games etc). Also, during L.Ronaldo first full season with Inter, he loss out to Biehorff, other seasons he was injured, so he can be excused there. Then in Real Madrid, over 4 full seasons, he lost out Pichichi to Makaay, Forlan and Etoo. But no one really cares to mention any of that. Yet we have bunch of people here criticising Ronaldo not winning 2 particular Capocannoniere in last 2 seasons, despite outscoring everyone there by a distance over the whole period of time.

Look, 79 goals in 94 Serie A games, 99 goals in 129 games in Italy, 117 goals in 148 games in all competitions over past 3 years, thats in average around 40 goals per year in all competitions. And we are talking about a player during his 33-36 years of age. In any other era of football, that will be highly worshipped and praised.

For better perspective, here's total output other GOAT or all time greats during their 33-36 of age:

*Ronaldo: 117 goals in 148 games (one of top league, still counting)
Puskas: 115 goals in 124 games (one of top league)
Di Stefano: 90 goals in 131 games (one of top league)
Pele: 81 goals in 141 games (41 of those from US league)
Muller: 38 goals in 84 games (35 of those from US league)
*Messi: 36 goals in 44 games (up to now at 33 years of age only, will be 34 next month... and 2 more years to go)
L.Ronaldo: 35 goals in 69 games (all from Brazil league)
Cruyff: 30 goals in 87 games (all from US league)
Eusebio: 24 goals in 67 games (US league/Mexico league)
Zico: 13 goals in 41 games (Brazil league)
Law: 12 goals in 36 games (one of top league)
Maradona: 5 goals in 31 games (all from Argentina league)
Best: 5 goals in 41 games (US league/Scottish league)
Garrincha: 4 goals in 19 games (Brazil league)

Most other GOAT or all time greats couldn't even match one third of Ronaldo output at same age at top level, and that's speaking from the perspective of football history as a whole. Yet in here, we have group of fans here who will not stop criticising him even for his output at that age. That's quite pathetic.
 
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This is going to rumble a lot of feathers but you have a point. I like Messi but he's the type that never leaves his comfort zone, a beta male.

The alpha male Ronaldo went to many different countries, in different leagues, and dominated all of them. Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here? Are you not entertained??
Alpha and beta male :lol: I thought this was a phrasing only used by parody social media accounts to make fun of the manliest men out there.

Out of curiosity, do you see yourself as a true alpha male?
 

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Alpha and beta male :lol: I thought this was a phrasing only used by parody social media accounts to make fun of the manliest men out there.

Out of curiosity, do you see yourself as a true alpha male?
It's a phrase used by beta males who desperately want to be alpha males.
 

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Well Its surely is a case of double standard here, hence its best to just give examples and applying same standard to other players, one will then find how ridiculous the criticism was. Messi is an easy reference because he is of similar status as Ronaldo (high wages, high expectations, great individual stats, but didn't win as many trophies in past couple of years).

As for L.Ronaldo, well now you are demonstrating another examples of double standard here, comparing goals per mins of LRonaldo during his time in Italy to defend his status, while ignore the same for Ronaldo during his time in Italy (where he is by far the best in total no. of goals, or goals per games etc). Also, during L.Ronaldo first full season with Inter, he loss out to Biehorff, other seasons he was injured, so he can be excused there. Then in Real Madrid, over 4 full seasons, he lost out Pichichi to Makaay, Forlan and Etoo. But no one really cares to mention any of that. Yet we have bunch of people here criticising Ronaldo not winning 2 particular Capocannoniere in last 2 seasons, despite outscoring everyone there by a distance over the whole period of time.

Look, 79 goals in 94 Serie A games, 99 goals in 129 games in Italy, 117 goals in 148 games in all competitions over past 3 years, thats in average around 40 goals per year in all competitions. And we are talking about a player during his 33-36 years of age. In any other era of football, that will be highly worshipped and praised.

For better perspective, here's total output other GOAT or all time greats during their 33-36 of age:

*Ronaldo: 117 goals in 148 games (one of top league, still counting)
Puskas: 115 goals in 124 games (one of top league)
Di Stefano: 90 goals in 131 games (one of top league)
Pele: 81 goals in 141 games (41 of those from US league)
Muller: 38 goals in 84 games (35 of those from US league)
*Messi: 36 goals in 44 games (up to now at 33 years of age only, will be 34 next month... and 2 more years to go)
L.Ronaldo: 35 goals in 69 games (all from Brazil league)
Cruyff: 30 goals in 87 games (all from US league)
Eusebio: 24 goals in 67 games (US league/Mexico league)
Zico: 13 goals in 41 games (Brazil league)
Law: 12 goals in 36 games (one of top league)
Maradona: 5 goals in 31 games (all from Argentina league)
Best: 5 goals in 41 games (US league/Scottish league)
Garrincha: 4 goals in 19 games (Brazil league)

Most other GOAT or all time greats couldn't even match one third of Ronaldo output at same age at top level, and that's speaking from the perspective of football history as a whole. Yet in here, we have group of fans here who will not stop criticising him even for his output at that age. That's quite pathetic.
Going back over history and comparing players from 60 years ago is daft. The game has moved on due to many variables - players' careers are lasting a lot longer and that's why Zlatan, Messi, Lewandowski, Benzema, Suarez, Vardy, etc are still scoring for fun over the age of 32

I'm comparing Ronaldo to his peers in Serie A and Quagliarela, who was 36 years old, managed to score more goals than him while playing for Sampdoria two seasons ago. Zlatan is 39 and Immobile is 32 and they are scoring for fun in Serie A. I'm not saying Ronaldo is a failure, but I do think his scoring has been underwhelming - he should be outperforming his peers a lot more than he is and the age factor doesn't work when people who he's lost out to are a similar age, of average ability, and play for much weaker teams.
 

bakalhau

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Off to PSG if Juve miss out on CL I would imagine?
I have no idea. He didn't play well today but imagine actually being the league's highest scorer and the guy which won most trophies out of the whole group, and pulling your weight for what you are paid for, and nearly everyone else around not doing it and showing less hunger than him at 36 years old. When it comes to my opinion, I'd rather have him anywhere else other than Juve. Can be a 2nd division team, can be Manchester, can be any other team. I've seen enough these 3 years to see he can still perform. He is a guy whose mentality is far ahead of almost everyone else, but unfortunately he is surrounded but people who are in the complete opposite spectrum. I'm a bit afraid if he stays with no CL football, everyone else will just drag him down mentally, which IMO has always been his best attribute.

I can't take watching them anymore. Pirlo leaving Bentacur on for 70 minutes, seeing the team play zero football, no subs until the 70th minute. 2nd sub is Dybala at 80 minutes in. I don't think anyone in that club knows what the hell they are doing.

Edit: Madrid and him were the perfect fit. I was sad when he left and 3 years on I feel the same way. They are missing him and his goals, and he is missing playing/being managed by people which at least somewhat share his winning genes.
 

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Back to Real if Juve miss out on top 4? There are few other options as well I guess, like PSG, United (though it seems unlikely even if our chances should be bigger than ever since he left).
 

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I wouldn’t want him back if you offered me to him. He won’t go to PSG as he’s competing with Mbappe AND Neymar and he won’t go back to Real because of ego reasons. I don’t know where the feck he goes after Juventus