I agree, there was no way for us to know. Ronaldo most likely had a deal with Saudi already and that interview was just a ruse to rip up his contract. Had the club read the situation, they could have got a fee but again, that's all hindsight.
Cristiano vs Ten Hag
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, we interview Duncan Drasdo of MUST - covering ticket prices, new stadium, INEOS and what fans should be demanding from our club.
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ETH had his flaws, but he handled Ronaldo brilliantly. The CR7 fans claiming otherwise have lost their mind.
"it is clear that Cristiano was far from done, at the top level, when he left United."
He's playing in Saudi Arabia since then. He's done at the top level. And he was done at the top level that same season. He had a string of awful performances.
"it is clear that Cristiano was far from done, at the top level, when he left United."
He's playing in Saudi Arabia since then. He's done at the top level. And he was done at the top level that same season. He had a string of awful performances.
Ronaldo was done at the top level a year or two before he joined us. Yeah, he scored regularly for Juventus, but they were considerably worse with him in the team. By the time he joined us, he had reached a point where the only way he could contribute anything in a game was if the entire team was built to feed him, and he had not been worth that since his Real Madrid days (and arguably not even during his last year with them).
Opened this thread thinking it was going to be a new Amazon Prime special
It’s not exactly gone great for them since he left like so not sure this was a Cristiano thing.
we'd have been much much better off buying a midfielder and keeping Cavani
I do wonder about this when you say his attitude stank the place out. I think it's one of those where fans just throw out something we know very little about and make it into truth.
What was said from Ronaldo, and also from teammates was that Ronaldo trained very hard and wanted to help younger players learn from him and improve. What he reacted to was that the younger players weren't interested, didn't train hard nor did they prepare well enough. So he had an issue with the attitude of several teammates. He has been proven right in that respect. He also had an issue with the attitude of the club, and how they had neglected the training facilities, the stadium, some inner power struggles etc - which he was also right about. If anything, the attitude that stank the place out was from several of his teammates who simply didn't put the work in and played like superstars when they weren''t.
Sure, Ronaldo has an ego bigger than the moon, but his dedication to the game and to Manchester United have never really been, nor should it be, in question. Him running off the Piers Morgan was not the right move, and it was detrimental to his legacy and caused far too much harm. On the flip side, United have actually undergone renovations afterwards, and they have put pressure on several of the things that he pointed out. Interestingly, the official United websites, Norway for instance, still post things about him, so perhaps many actually did agree with him.
All that being said, he should not have returned to the PL that late in his career. His first season was good, and I don't think his pace was a problem - he was still more than fast enough, but he became so stiff that he couldn't do what he wanted to anymore.
No Manager in Europe can contain CR7, not even Ancelotti or Pep, if I am CR7, I would not accept any manager to dictate anything to me or bench me, so it was right to let him go, it was wrong to bring him in the first place as well.
Let's just forget that episode of unnecessary drama.
Let's just forget that episode of unnecessary drama.
Don't think he was done up until he started acting up, he was very good in his first season, the second not so much. The team around him wasn't great either.
The primadona attitude though outweighed his contributions.
Overall ETH did very well to stand up against him.
Go back a season more, we'd have arguably been better off sticking with Martial as CF and picking up someone cheap as backup (or just buying Haaland). Too much money wasted on old farts who didn't ever really hit top level.
He was right about ETH and the club but he was finished as a top player, he needed to take a step back and become a squad player/mentor but wasn't willing to do that. Getting rid of him was the correct decision, getting rid of ETH earlier would have been the even better scenario in combination too.
It will be on Netflix, instead
Ronaldo wanted to go because we didn't qualify for the champions league. The ETH stuff just a smokescreen.
Make it a missfits fight and I'll tune inIt will be on Netflix, instead
If you could tell us how he wasn’t done at the top level, please do. He can’t press and he isn’t agile even a few years ago
For all that Ten Hag drove everyone insane its easy to forget that he did really well dealing with the Sancho/Ronaldo nonsense.
Heh?
Why not?
Why though, CR7 is the biggest football player alongside Messi, no way he accepts to be told to press, come off the bench, and so on, that's a reality, he didn't accept EtH benching him, he reacted badly when Ragnick subbed him out once, it's what its.
We scored 73 goals in the league the season before he came. Then we became Pass It To Ronaldo FC, which meant Bruno scored less, the wingers scored less, Cavani scored less because he was tossed aside, and we scored 57 goals.
But Ronaldo personally nicked a goal every other game with the whole attack sacrificing itself to cater to him, so this is somehow evidence of him being good for us.
Sums it up for me
Same here, I was a massive fan and let nostalgia get the best of me but it was clear after about 10 games we were far worse in attack while catering to him.
I couldn’t agree less. He looked washed when he played for us.
Only sensible response. See Ole’s remarks, for instance.
So true. Thoughtful post, clear and on point
Whichever top club he was at he wasn't going to listen to the manager. Top clubs want their players to follow tactics but his ego doesn't allow him to and he wasn't good enough for the team to carry his duties anymore, so he was done at the top.
Haaland is a monster, way way better than Ronaldo was at United, but City fans sometimes consider whether he's worth it because teams don't carry passengers anymore that score and don't do much else, unless they're scoring a ridiculous amount, which Ronaldo wasn't.
jesus wept, far from done, really? he was done before coming to us already at the top level. Just because his hattrick against the nobodies like Norwich doesnt mean he still had it. His conversion rate was absolutely horrible along with his inability to work off the ball. He was like abrat, who wanted to pass to him everytime yet he wasn't able to work hard enough without it. He's irrelevant for many years now, going to a Saudi scum league which tries to hoard players for money, yet they still fcuk sheep after each game.
He can chase his 1000 goals in absolutely irrelevant league.
I understand that's what he did.
I just don't understand why you said you would do the same and wouldn't just want to try to be a little bit of a team player (in a team sport!).
It is annoying to see recent history rewritten like this. Ronaldo was absolutely spent, and whatever he may have brought in terms of a winner’s mentality was easily negated by him acting like a prima Donna. Ronaldo should have just greeted fans at the entrance to OT. Like another poster said here, it really ruined a lot of my fond memories from his first spell at United. feck Ronaldo.
I remember it being something along these lines too.. I think I read that SAF personally intervened and made sure he was brought back to United.
If Ronaldo clearly wasn't done at the top level when he crashed out with us, he would have been signed by a Champions League club from a top 5 league.
He wasn't, because he clearly was done at the top level, which was further evidenced by the fact that he had to go play in a semi-pro league in order to keep scoring goals.
The one and only thing that Ronaldo did for us in his final season was rightfully call out the fact that the standards at United weren't acceptable, from the results down to what the training facility looked like. But in terms of being useful on the field, he was clearly past it.
He wasn't, because he clearly was done at the top level, which was further evidenced by the fact that he had to go play in a semi-pro league in order to keep scoring goals.
The one and only thing that Ronaldo did for us in his final season was rightfully call out the fact that the standards at United weren't acceptable, from the results down to what the training facility looked like. But in terms of being useful on the field, he was clearly past it.
I was so excited to have him back. His last minute goal against Villareal I think it was was an INSANE moment and I'll never forget it, it felt like a turning point for the club. Sadly, it was just a final nice memory of what used to be a truly world class footballer we were lucky to have.
But Cavani was better for us. It was kind of devastating to see Edison Cavani get shuttled out from being the best striker we've had in years to playing second fiddle to CR7, not gonna lie, and Solskjaer didn't have the character to do what was necessary when Ronaldo threw his toys out the pram. We had such a seemingly great on paper team as well, but it just didn't work.
Just sad that we made literally every mistake the late great AC Milan team of the 90's did, and began to rely on aging players with massive reputations, ego's, and wages, and no work ethic or ability (bar the aforementioned Cavani) and it absolutely killed us.
But Cavani was better for us. It was kind of devastating to see Edison Cavani get shuttled out from being the best striker we've had in years to playing second fiddle to CR7, not gonna lie, and Solskjaer didn't have the character to do what was necessary when Ronaldo threw his toys out the pram. We had such a seemingly great on paper team as well, but it just didn't work.
Just sad that we made literally every mistake the late great AC Milan team of the 90's did, and began to rely on aging players with massive reputations, ego's, and wages, and no work ethic or ability (bar the aforementioned Cavani) and it absolutely killed us.
He was awful at the end.
You are right, but why is pressing a necessary requirement for a striker? It is if you are EtH, but...
Honest question - do you think Ronaldo was more done when he joined us than say Lewandowski was when Lewa joined Barca? I think Barca got some positive use out of Lewandowski despite the "old" age, no?
Mate, we are a club that had fecking Weghorst as the striker for half a season. I think Cristiano is better than that even now let alone back when he rejoined us
Nobody is claiming that Ronaldo was still Ballon D'Or winning self, anymore, but "done" is a much lower bar
Not sure if you think Haaland is better than even young Ronaldo, but honestly - feck that overgrown mutant. Haaland will never be as good as Ronnie, overall. Five Ballon D'Ors vs none, and being one of two GOATs vs a top scoring striker at EPL that nobody will remember once he is retired.
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Showed the state of our board/owners really.
He was verging on useless by the time he had his tantrum.
He criticized the ownership, sure - but he didn't seem to mind them when he was 'carrying the team'.
"He's so professional, he just wants to play every minute and win every game" etc
Stropping and lashing out when subbed and refusing to go on as a sub are unprofessional acts.
I look forward to watching him be the elephant in the room/pitch for Portugal in the World Cup, again.
His return completely tainted him for me.
He criticized the ownership, sure - but he didn't seem to mind them when he was 'carrying the team'.
"He's so professional, he just wants to play every minute and win every game" etc
Stropping and lashing out when subbed and refusing to go on as a sub are unprofessional acts.
I look forward to watching him be the elephant in the room/pitch for Portugal in the World Cup, again.
His return completely tainted him for me.
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Couldn't agree more. Everything else aside that was really unprofessional. Can't help but compare his behavior to his Madrid teammate Casemiro, who also had some tough spells at United but dealt with them much much better
Aah. I meant if i was a CR7, not if I was me.
If we had let him go to City. Pep would be out of job by now. No treble for them 100%.