Cristiano vs Ten Hag

He was verging on useless by the time he had his tantrum.

He criticized the ownership, sure - but he didn't seem to mind them when he was 'carrying the team'. :rolleyes:

"He's so professional, he just wants to play every minute and win every game" etc

Stropping and lashing out when subbed and refusing to go on as a sub are unprofessional acts.

I look forward to watching him be the elephant in the room/pitch for Portugal in the World Cup, again.

His return completely tainted him for me.

There was a Europa League where everyone was doing everything they could to help him score, I can't remember who it was against in sure they had a yellow kit in the end he scored a tap in and did the "Siu" I remember it being very cringe
 
There was a Europa League where everyone was doing everything they could to help him score, I can't remember who it was against in sure they had a yellow kit in the end he scored a tap in and did the "Siu" I remember it being very cringe

It happened several times but if I remember correctly, the one you have in mind was against Sheriff.
 
If we had let him go to City. Pep would be out of job by now. No treble for them 100%.
It was one of those classics by City -

They throw a feint and we buy it, hook, line and sinker.

Maguire, Fred, maybe even Sanchez, and the peach was Ronaldo.

They even tried it when we were letting Pogba go. There were leaks that City would get him! :lol:

Obviously this is all speculation (that City do this intentionally to bait us) and none of this is provable but there is a pattern and it would be fun if it turned out to be true.
 
Mate, we are a club that had fecking Weghorst as the striker for half a season. I think Cristiano is better than that even now let alone back when he rejoined us

Nobody is claiming that Ronaldo was still Ballon D'Or winning self, anymore, but "done" is a much lower bar


Not sure if you think Haaland is better than even young Ronaldo, but honestly - feck that overgrown mutant. Haaland will never be as good as Ronnie, overall. Five Ballon D'Ors vs none, and being one of two GOATs vs a top scoring striker at EPL that nobody will remember once he is retired.
We are a club with morale, and if you dont have one yourself and are a fan of one player you can do one. So many kids supporting players instead of a club. Youd think they are okay for Greenwood to come back because of being desperate of a striker, have the brats like Ronaldo or Cherki or players who downed their tools like Rashford back in the team instead. Absolutely shameful. Yep Werghorst is shite, but its more of a recruitment faux pas and question of resources. Both of the players shouldnt be anywhere near our club. And Ronaldo going on a strike was a big sucker punch for a club.

Ronaldo is done for what he did with the interview. The egoist jerk who was finished at top level way before going to us. I hate Ten Haag but at least he was correct on this. Id rather have Werghorst than some egomaniac who think he's better than others and doesnt have to work hard enough. Thats why NOONE wanted him from serious teams in top leagues and he end up in Saudi.

And again from a footballing perspective he was absolutely appalling for us the second spell all things considered. He had a very short spell at the beginning when he socred some, but you can expect a main striker for United to actually get on the scoresheet against the minnows. Couldnt hit a feckign barn door later on and it went all downhill for him. We played with 10-men practically every game. How can anyone defend him. It's not 2008 and he's not bigger than a club as it should be.
 
Ronaldo was done at the top level a year or two before he joined us. Yeah, he scored regularly for Juventus, but they were considerably worse with him in the team. By the time he joined us, he had reached a point where the only way he could contribute anything in a game was if the entire team was built to feed him, and he had not been worth that since his Real Madrid days (and arguably not even during his last year with them).
Basically a started Juventus downfall, they never recovered after accomodating him in the team so he can tap in goals for his wikipedia stats.
 
He was verging on useless by the time he had his tantrum.

He criticized the ownership, sure - but he didn't seem to mind them when he was 'carrying the team'. :rolleyes:

"He's so professional, he just wants to play every minute and win every game" etc

Stropping and lashing out when subbed and refusing to go on as a sub are unprofessional acts.

I look forward to watching him be the elephant in the room/pitch for Portugal in the World Cup, again.

His return completely tainted him for me.
Totally forgot about this. What an arsehole on the touch. 19 old Ramos made them play much better.
 
A bad short term signing somewhat based on nostalgia. Some good moments here and there though.

However, I do think the revisionism that he ruined Ole is mostly untrue. Ole even said himself in an interview after his exit that the plan was to go toe to toe with teams more that season and make the next step, which we couldn’t do. If you look at some of the performances towards the end of that second place finish, things were looking a bit grim (4-2 home defeat to Liverpool, Losing the EL final etc.) Ronaldo didn’t help but he didn’t ruin that season himself.
 
Basically a started Juventus downfall, they never recovered after accomodating him in the team so he can tap in goals for his wikipedia stats.
That’s only partially true. Juventus pushed all their financial chips into the middle on Ronaldo and then Covid hit 18 months later. Of all the big clubs, they were right up there in terms of how badly it hit them because they’d just gone “all in” to try and win a champions league in the here and now. Their budgets still haven’t recovered.
 
I have a feeling that after the World Cup his attitude will get worse, after they are forced to bench him. He can't play 90 minutes at that pace, he jogs and walks around 90% of his games in the Saudi League and his bursts into the box are reminiscent to a fast jog these days. Portugal has to play everything through him or he sulks and really drags the team down. Without him on the pitch they definitely interchange and look fun and exciting.
 
I do wonder about this when you say his attitude stank the place out. I think it's one of those where fans just throw out something we know very little about and make it into truth.

What was said from Ronaldo, and also from teammates was that Ronaldo trained very hard and wanted to help younger players learn from him and improve. What he reacted to was that the younger players weren't interested, didn't train hard nor did they prepare well enough. So he had an issue with the attitude of several teammates. He has been proven right in that respect. He also had an issue with the attitude of the club, and how they had neglected the training facilities, the stadium, some inner power struggles etc - which he was also right about. If anything, the attitude that stank the place out was from several of his teammates who simply didn't put the work in and played like superstars when they weren''t.

Sure, Ronaldo has an ego bigger than the moon, but his dedication to the game and to Manchester United have never really been, nor should it be, in question. Him running off the Piers Morgan was not the right move, and it was detrimental to his legacy and caused far too much harm. On the flip side, United have actually undergone renovations afterwards, and they have put pressure on several of the things that he pointed out. Interestingly, the official United websites, Norway for instance, still post things about him, so perhaps many actually did agree with him.

All that being said, he should not have returned to the PL that late in his career. His first season was good, and I don't think his pace was a problem - he was still more than fast enough, but he became so stiff that he couldn't do what he wanted to anymore.

Sure, fair! Although I did say he has an incredible winning mentality, that can't be faulted. But tbh, with his behaviour around walk outs, refusing to come on etc. To me, this is toxic behaviour and reflective of a poor attitude, in a very public setting. You can't really defend that, regardless of what we do and don't know about what was going on behind the scenes. I think he was more invested in himself than he was about United. Not necessarily a completely bad thing as that approach took United to some incredible heights in his first spell, but it's not sustainable or helpful for a club going through a tough period and endless transition when it came to his second spell.

Of course, like any other United fan, I was incredibly excited when he came back. The Newcastle game on his return was sensational, it felt like a taste of what was to come. But, as others have commented here, the signing really set us back, in hindsight...

It does feel like some of the things he called out about the way the club was being run are being changed gradually and for the most part for the better, despite some of the issues we're seeing with Ratcliffe, Berrada etc. But I also think it would be a leap to say that changes are being made because of what Ronaldo said and to attribute too much credit to him. I don't think you were saying that, mind!
 
A bad short term signing somewhat based on nostalgia. Some good moments here and there though.

However, I do think the revisionism that he ruined Ole is mostly untrue. Ole even said himself in an interview after his exit that the plan was to go toe to toe with teams more that season and make the next step, which we couldn’t do. If you look at some of the performances towards the end of that second place finish, things were looking a bit grim (4-2 home defeat to Liverpool, Losing the EL final etc.) Ronaldo didn’t help but he didn’t ruin that season himself.

Ole said himself on the Overlap looking back he wouldn't have signed Ronaldo but couldn't say no to it. Regarding the end of 20/21 season we had to play 4 games in 7 days which ended with the 4-2 loss to Liverpool (played on 6th, 9th, 11th, 13th May) so the team would have been shattered.
 
It was one of those classics by City -

They throw a feint and we buy it, hook, line and sinker.

Maguire, Fred, maybe even Sanchez, and the peach was Ronaldo.

They even tried it when we were letting Pogba go. There were leaks that City would get him! :lol:

Obviously this is all speculation (that City do this intentionally to bait us) and none of this is provable but there is a pattern and it would be fun if it turned out to be true.
I think with Ronaldo it was more about their brand and legitimising it by linking it to Ronaldo. Even now, after winning so much I think people still see them as imposters because of the cheating allegations and I can't really think of a mega star they have signed. They have certainly created top players but the likes of KDB, Rodri, Silva, Haaland were not superstars when they arrived there. They've never signed a Neymar, Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe, Vini, Ronaldinho, Zlatan, Beckham etc. Probably a good thing for their ability to win things as the big names are often older, but there's certainly a marketing element and massive international fanbase that follows certain players that they have avoided/not been able to access.
 
However, I do think the revisionism that he ruined Ole is mostly untrue. Ole even said himself in an interview after his exit that the plan was to go toe to toe with teams more that season and make the next step, which we couldn’t do.

Yeah, we didn't lose 0-5 to Liverpool because Ronaldo played. We lost 0-5 because we played like Kamikaze.
 
Ole said himself on the Overlap looking back he wouldn't have signed Ronaldo but couldn't say no to it. Regarding the end of 20/21 season we had to play 4 games in 7 days which ended with the 4-2 loss to Liverpool (played on 6th, 9th, 11th, 13th May) so the team would have been shattered.
He also said on the overlap his plan was to go for it against teams more in his third season and to move further up the pitch.

We started the season with a 5-1 thrashing of Leeds but the performances after that were dreadful. Then Ronaldo signed.

I just think when people imply that Ronaldo ruined Ole it disregards what a rollercoaster of highs and lows Ole’s reign had already been. He could have been sacked about three times in the two years before Ronaldo came back. To his massive credit he’d always come back from the dark periods but to suggest one player ruined everything is not true I think.
 
We are a club with morale, and if you dont have one yourself and are a fan of one player you can do one. So many kids supporting players instead of a club. Youd think they are okay for Greenwood to come back because of being desperate of a striker, have the brats like Ronaldo or Cherki or players who downed their tools like Rashford back in the team instead. Absolutely shameful. Yep Werghorst is shite, but its more of a recruitment faux pas and question of resources. Both of the players shouldnt be anywhere near our club. And Ronaldo going on a strike was a big sucker punch for a club.

Ronaldo is done for what he did with the interview. The egoist jerk who was finished at top level way before going to us. I hate Ten Haag but at least he was correct on this. Id rather have Werghorst than some egomaniac who think he's better than others and doesnt have to work hard enough. Thats why NOONE wanted him from serious teams in top leagues and he end up in Saudi.

And again from a footballing perspective he was absolutely appalling for us the second spell all things considered. He had a very short spell at the beginning when he socred some, but you can expect a main striker for United to actually get on the scoresheet against the minnows. Couldnt hit a feckign barn door later on and it went all downhill for him. We played with 10-men practically every game. How can anyone defend him. It's not 2008 and he's not bigger than a club as it should be.
I think you are taking this whole thread too seriously, my friend. We are just kicking the shit around. Both EtH and 2nd-stint-Ronaldo did a lot of harm to this club, if we are being serious. Just not sure who did more harm, though. EtH kicking out De Gea and sticking us with the horror show named Onana may be worse then everything Ronaldo ever did at United
 
He was done at that level, and it was a mistake for us. The PR machine that kicked in after his exit tried to rewrite the story, but anyone who actually watched the games understands the reality.
 
The season he was rotated by ETH he completely missed preseason, struggled to find his rhythm and watch scratching around for form.

Maybe that is understandable considering he had lost a child earlier that year
 
We never should have taken him back in the first place.
In fact, we should never have taken BOTH.

CR was way passed his prime. Unless we were building a team around him, which was not the case, why did we accept someone cannot play 90+ min. I know we took some senior players as #9 who can lead from the front, accept bit part game time and would be happy to be part of the squad. CR was neither.

ETH was poor in squad management, poor in team preparation as evidence in the disastrous US tour, poor in tactics with little change whether we played top clubs or bottom clubs; poor in squad rotation with Shaw and Varane as the only players getting rest and rotation, and played Martinez to break his leg. And worse, his new player procurement decision - we wasted half a B on players that we need to fire sale.
 
I saw that clip of Mclaren on Scholes/Butt podcast about this specifically and it paints Ronaldo in a very poor light.

Basically they gave him a half arsed pressing role and he wouldn't even do that, so ETH dropped him. The fact Wout came in after and was a terrible footballer but made us a better team by playing for the collective is pretty telling.
 
We should have never brought him in the first place. ETH was a poor man manager and a very confusing persona but this one isn't on him.
 
His 2nd spell really lost me and alot of other man utd fans. But hey now I dont have to be blindly biased and delusional in the messi vs Ronaldo debates.
 
Both were in it for themselves with United being their distant second preference
 
His 2nd spell really lost me and alot of other man utd fans. But hey now I dont have to be blindly biased and delusional in the messi vs Ronaldo debates.
That's how it turned out for me too :lol:

Was excited at the prospect of a return but it ended up disastrously after some good moments here and there year 1 and just completely soured on his whole image.

I finally got to be objective in the Messi - Ronaldo debates for a change after he shat on the club and went out like a chump :lol:
 
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Both sides were correct.

If you want a team where all 11 press then, of course, Ronaldo during his second stint at United was not your guy. For example Klopps best sides were all about pressing.

If you could create a system where he got off with less chasing, then he absolutely was still one of the absolute best in the league at creating (finding space/losing marker) and scoring.

He was in no way shape or form close to as bad as Messi was for PSG, dude really was depressed there.

My take is that Ronaldo could have worked if the manager was flexible. Loads and loads of teams have managed to defend with 9+goalie allowing one player less defensive work. For example Ancelotti has spoken on this before with some of his stars of the past such as Zidane.

But that would have required the rest to be disciplined, a team full of Argentina-runners, not 20yo-somethings who believed they were too good to run for the old guy.
 
That's how it turned out for me too :lol:

Was excited at the prospect of a return but it ended up disastrously after some good moments here and there year 1 and just completely soured on his whole image.

I finally got to be objective in the Messi - Ronaldo debates for a change after he shat on the club and went out like a chump :lol:
Same for me, I grew up following him and then the second spell just put me off. The sulking, the tantrums and the interview made me change my stance on Messi as well. I quit looking at Ronaldo through young me and realized he’s just a pompous dickhead. Also feck his Ai video with the orange pdf blow hole.
 
I think you are taking this whole thread too seriously, my friend. We are just kicking the shit around. Both EtH and 2nd-stint-Ronaldo did a lot of harm to this club, if we are being serious. Just not sure who did more harm, though. EtH kicking out De Gea and sticking us with the horror show named Onana may be worse then everything Ronaldo ever did at United
I am not advocating for ETH, I hate him as much as Ronaldo, two ego-hunting bellends out of their depth. If we are being serious ETH was more inept, Ronaldo is just a prick who shouldnt be brought back that's more down to the management. He was dealt with very well from Ten Haag though, the only thing he did well. To put him where he deserves out of the club.

Of all things Ten Haag did wrong. Bringing Onana is the most harm doing. Pretty much got sacked Amorim, who wasnt ideal, but Onana easily cost him alone around 10 points in the league, cup games including EL final, the story would be much different.
 
I am not advocating for ETH, I hate him as much as Ronaldo, two ego-hunting bellends out of their depth. If we are being serious ETH was more inept, Ronaldo is just a prick who shouldnt be brought back that's more down to the management. He was dealt with very well from Ten Haag though, the only thing he did well. To put him where he deserves out of the club.

Of all things Ten Haag did wrong. Bringing Onana is the most harm doing. Pretty much got sacked Amorim, who wasnt ideal, but Onana easily cost him alone around 10 points in the league, cup games including EL final, the story would be much different.
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