Well to be honest only city players will get into the Liverpool squad as of the moment. The league is a 2 horse title race. Liverpool/city are just in a different class compared to the rest of the league. He was just stating the obvious.
Danny Mills’ combined United/Liverpool 11
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Alisson is miles better than De Gea ever was, let alone the excuse of a goalkeeper he currently is.
And when it comes to consistency and mentality (it does quite often), many managers would choose Henderson and Wijnaldum over Pogba. Pogba is ridiculously talented, but he isn’t an attacking midfielder or winger, so for player of his position, he’s really lacking discipline. Could absolutely thrive in a different club with a great manager though.
And Maguire vs. Matip is debatable, but it’s for RCB, which Maguire has hardly ever played, and Matip has been really good for the past year, so I think that’s reasonable.
And when it comes to consistency and mentality (it does quite often), many managers would choose Henderson and Wijnaldum over Pogba. Pogba is ridiculously talented, but he isn’t an attacking midfielder or winger, so for player of his position, he’s really lacking discipline. Could absolutely thrive in a different club with a great manager though.
And Maguire vs. Matip is debatable, but it’s for RCB, which Maguire has hardly ever played, and Matip has been really good for the past year, so I think that’s reasonable.
Yay! If he's ready he will put this Maguire-Matip debate to bed. I like Maguire but Matip is another level at the moment
Olle must have seen how Sheff Utd, Salzburg and Leicester exploited the space behind TAA so his predictable counter-attacking will suit here. If Matip ain't ready, I'd go with the pace of Gomez ahead of Lovren and hope he plays himself back into form
De Gea for from 2013/2014 to 2018 end was on another level. He literally carried United on his back saving many points throughout the seaon and was rightly awarded 4 POTY awards.DeGea doesn't come out for corners or have the passing like Ederson, but he is phenomenol is in own ways.
Comparing Alisson with DeGea is like comparing Salah with Ronaldo or comparing VVD with Vidic/Ferdinand.
Ha ha ha - Danny Mills is such and fool!
Sadly he's not that wrong. Pogba, De Gea and maybe Maguire might have a shout.
Like Garth Crooks does.
No Pogba 
He's two levels above any of those Liverpool midfielders!
Other than him though, you can't really argue against that selection. Matip/Maguire is close, I think many people pick Maguire simply because of the price tag (Matip was free transfer) but performance-wise there's not much difference.
Prime, in-form De Gea vs Alisson would be close too but at the moment it's no contest.
Woodward should be put in jail for spending close to a billion to assemble this team.
He's two levels above any of those Liverpool midfielders!Other than him though, you can't really argue against that selection. Matip/Maguire is close, I think many people pick Maguire simply because of the price tag (Matip was free transfer) but performance-wise there's not much difference.
Prime, in-form De Gea vs Alisson would be close too but at the moment it's no contest.
Woodward should be put in jail for spending close to a billion to assemble this team.
Kinda depends on how you look at it, if its a mixed team yea i guess Pogba could get a spot.
However considering how Liverpool is setup, hardworking with the team being above any player, it's not that hard to imagine Pobga would not fit in it.
However considering how Liverpool is setup, hardworking with the team being above any player, it's not that hard to imagine Pobga would not fit in it.
It doesn't say anywhere there's a specific formation, specific style, specific coach etc. It's literally combined 11 best players from both teams. Martial is better than Henderson and Milner so I put him in.
Wow, just wow. The amount of peope saying that prime DeGea was no match to Allisson in this thread is too much.
Comeon guys De Gea was superhuman from 2013/2014 to 2018 end.
Comeon guys De Gea was superhuman from 2013/2014 to 2018 end.
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It still doesn't mean that he is wrong. They have just won the Champions League and now they are 8 points clear at the top of the Premier League. Would Pogba actually improve Liverpool? I don't think so. They have maximum points this season and the second-highest goal tally and the least goals conceded. What effect would Pogba have on the Liverpool team that would make them so much better?No Pogba
Other than him though, you can't really argue against that selection. Matip/Maguire is close, I think many people pick Maguire simply because of the price tag (Matip was free transfer) but performance-wise there's not much difference.
Prime, in-form De Gea vs Alisson would be close too but at the moment it's no contest.
Woodward should be put in jail for spending close to a billion to assemble this team.
He isn't good enough in terms of pressing, which is fundamental to their play.
People keep saying that they need/could improve their midfield, but they seem to be doing alright at the moment. Maybe they don't need to improve their midfield at all?
Pogba two levels above Fabinho? At any stage during his United career has Pogba played as well as Fabinho is right now? And if so, is it ‘two levels’ above?No Pogba
I happen to believe Pogba is an excellent footballer, but he hides it quite well at times.
Typical tabloid clickbait Sky crap.
Was also free.... for me the CBs who look good are generally the ones who are flanked by top full backs, people always talk about VVD but the stability at Liverpool comes from the whole back line + Alisson. If we signed VVD, not a lot would change despite him being much better than our CBs individually.
You are supposed to pick players from their position in the club if you are building a combined XI. Anyway as you like.
And not Milner is a very good midfielder who is extremely underrated. The entire Liverpool midfield is very underrated anyway.
Martial might have more talent than Henderson and Milner but he hasn't come anywhere close to fulfilling it. Henderson and Milner have both had more successful careers and played at a higher level much more consistently than martial has. The only way Martial gets in a combined 11 with these two clubs is if you base it on talent and talent is only used when a player is yet to fulfill his potential. Nobody does a combined 11 based on talent.
Agree about Maguire but pogba and Henderson are not doing the same jobs.
Goalkeeping is quite subjective. I personally think De Gea has to make all those saves partly because he doesn’t dare to come out of his line. He doesn’t have the confident and commanding presence of a world class goalkeeper. His distribution is poor and he never had the leadership and football brain of the best German and Brazilian keepers of the decade.
Look how comfortable and brave Ederson is to leave his line, picking up crosses and through balls, not to mention with the ball in his feet. These keepers have been absolutely revolutionary after the mediocrity Pool and City had before them. I don’t think De Gea ever had the same impact, not for us, not for Spain NT.
He was always a flashy goalkeeper, one that looks impressive if you only look at him when he’s making saves. Other than that, he’s scared to get involved and hardly helps his team-mates apart from making few dramatic saves once in a while. It’s not enough if you look at the bigger picture.
Degea cus alison is injured. Maguire xus matip isn't good
It's a sad day when the opinion of Danny Mills is considered worthy of its very own thread on Redcafe.
I agree 120% RT
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I hope we win to keep hus mouth shut
Completely disagree. If all three retired tomorrow I would have Martial down as better than both. And everyone does a combined eleven based on talent - it’s a entirely theoretical scenario, surely you pick players based on their ability?
I'd definitely want to find a place for Rashford in that combined XI just for the free kicks.
I guess at the present time , very few , if any (maybe a toss up between perhaps Liverpool and our Goalkeepers on a good day) of the current Man united Players would get in the combined eleven
But these things do as we all know go in cycles ....For years , the only Scouser who would have made it into a combined 11 would have been Steven Gerrard , no argument there and perhaps Suarez in that Season where he was terrific for them
Some might mention Owen or Fowler but you know what I am saying ...
United's 11 under the many Teams Fergie created and managed would be top heavy in those combined elevens - FACT !
But these things do as we all know go in cycles ....For years , the only Scouser who would have made it into a combined 11 would have been Steven Gerrard , no argument there and perhaps Suarez in that Season where he was terrific for them
Some might mention Owen or Fowler but you know what I am saying ...
United's 11 under the many Teams Fergie created and managed would be top heavy in those combined elevens - FACT !
what good is ability or talent when you can't put it into action on the pitch? Surely a best 11 or an award is based of what you achieve on the pitch and not your talent level? Pogba for example has the talent to be one of the best midfielders in world football but he hasn't played anywhere near the level his talent suggests he should so would not make it into the team. Same goes with martial. What has he done to warrant splitting up one of the best attacking trios in world football? Can you honestly say martial has done a better job for Utd than Milner or Henderson have for Liverpool?
I’m really not sure how you could come to that conclusion. Firstly why would you compare martial to Milner and Henderson? They are solid team performers in midfield where as martial is massively inconsistent and an attacker. For example you could argue martial has far more ability than Roy Keane in terms of skill, flair and speed but does that make him a better player? The answer is clearly no.
I am talking about what he has put into action on the pitch - that is the only way in which anyone here can make a judgement on his ability/ talent/ whatever else you want to call it. Pogba is the same - he walks into the midfield in a combined team precisely because he has the talent to be one of the best midfielders in the world. He has shown that ability on the pitch - that is how we know he has that quality.
Picking a best eleven in this fashion isn’t the same as selecting for an end-of-season award - it’s not a combined United-Liverpool team of the year from last season, or a team of the year for this season so far. Just as selecting a world team of the year is not synonymous with selecting a world’s best eleven, or a particular club’s player of the year is not necessarily the best player at that club.
Also, no-one is suggesting splitting up one of the best attacking trios in world football. The idea is to find a better option than one of the weakest players in Liverpool’s team.
It’s very simple really - it was proposed that a 4-2-3-1 with Martial ahead of the Liverpool attacking trio was a stronger lineup than a 4-3-3 with Henderson in the midfield behind said trio. Ability/ talent/ quality - to be clear, what I’m saying is I think Martial is a better player than Henderson. I do not think he is a better player than Keane.
Combined XI or Best XI is usually based on current form and performances. Its ridiculous to judge it on talent and reputation.
By your reasoning of ability/talent be it past or present shouldn't Mata make a case of being in it over Henderson as well? Heck even Sanchez who is still our player can fit into the "talented" 4-2-3-1 formation.
If Pogba and Martial are to be included, Wiljnaldum and Henderson/Fabinho will have to be taken out. We can make a case for the Pogba and Henderson swap but I don't think Martial is so much better than Wijnaldum and Fabinho.
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Really depends how you look at it. On an individual basis you could argue AWB, Maguire, Pogba and De Gea get in to the best team.
But would Pogba get into Liverpool’s midfield? Doubtful, he doesn’t work hard enough, he isn’t very good at tracking back.
Danny Mills is just trying to make a name for himself and it’s worked. It’s been all over social media.
But would Pogba get into Liverpool’s midfield? Doubtful, he doesn’t work hard enough, he isn’t very good at tracking back.
Danny Mills is just trying to make a name for himself and it’s worked. It’s been all over social media.
What’s AWB done to match TAA? I’m at a loss on this one?
So Danny Mills just hammered another nail into the coffin holding the remains of Sky's journalistic integrity. He tied himself into knots to exclude the United players who would obviously make the team.
He chooses not to consider form when picking Allison because he views him as the better player despite being injured, which is fair enough. But when considering the midfield and defence, form is the only reason he excludes Pogba and Maguire. So what exactly is this list? Is it which team has the better players in each position or is it which players are the most in form? My personal view is neither, it is just another example of the anti-united agenda the media just cant seem to get enough of. An agenda so lucrative that Danny chose to ignore his own logical faculties to write this piece.
Or maybe he doesnt have any logical faculties. That would explain a lot actually..
He chooses not to consider form when picking Allison because he views him as the better player despite being injured, which is fair enough. But when considering the midfield and defence, form is the only reason he excludes Pogba and Maguire. So what exactly is this list? Is it which team has the better players in each position or is it which players are the most in form? My personal view is neither, it is just another example of the anti-united agenda the media just cant seem to get enough of. An agenda so lucrative that Danny chose to ignore his own logical faculties to write this piece.
Or maybe he doesnt have any logical faculties. That would explain a lot actually..
Danny Mills has for some very odd reason gone quiet on this subject this season. I have no idea why. I'll offer him a helping hand:
Henderson
AWB - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw
Fred - Pogba
Greenwood - Bruno - Rashford
Cavani
AWB - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw
Fred - Pogba
Greenwood - Bruno - Rashford
Cavani
We should ban all scouse newbs who join when they are doing well.
Provide zero value to the forum outside of nonsense.
100% accurate.
Being serious, I think Salah would get in on this season’s form and Fabinho in place of Fred. However, I think it’s perfectly sustainable to argue that the other 9 should be as stated.
Has he got a Twitter account??