He's like Townsend.....always better for the national team than for the club
Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Against the mighty Lithuania, Slovenia & San Marino. Actually judging by your criteria of being fast, performing well against poor International teams and the ability to "stretch play" maybe we should be looking at Andros Townsend in the Summer.
Nah, I'd be bitter if my team had gone 10+ years without a PL trophy.so bitter
I have absolutely no idea how those posts can ever give off the impression I want Welbeck to do better than united.
Obviously I'm exaggerating, but you do seem to still have some sort of weird affiliation for him. You're always the first to gloat whenever he does something good (rarely, so much for predicting he'd score more than all three of our strikers, eh?), and now you're getting annoyed that, shockingly, people are happy that he's not doing as well as others had anticipated for our direct rivals. I just don't know why you're desperate for him to succeed, or happy when he does? It seems like another case of you just trying to go against the grain to annoy people in a thread.
How come you haven't made another 'vindicated' thread anyway? Hehe.
Cina, calling Welbecks celebration "odious" or being delighted that he isn't starting is definitely more against the grain than my opinions on the lad.
Have to say, I would definitely be pleased if Welbeck turns out to be a flop at Arsenal. It would make my predictions of future greatness completely wrong but I would far rather be wrong on an internet forum than see Arsenal get one over on us. Feck that for a game of soldiers.
Obviously not. He's playing for a direct rival - no United fan in their right mind would like to see him do well.
And yes, for a self-professed die hard Man. United fan the celebration was "odious".
Did I say it wasn't? The point is you're still actively defending him at every possible opportunity, though, and whenever he does something good you usually say something like..
Why do you care so much? I think it's obvious now that he had no place at our club, that he wasn't good enough, and that he's not good enough for Arsenal either. He wouldn't get near our current team, for example.
I disagree with that. I'd have him over Falcao and RVP. that's not wumming. If he doesn't go on to be a good player for arsenal I'll be wrong but I don't think we can say either way yet. At the moment he's not playing for the form team of the league. Not sure who from our front players arsenal would want.
You've always had an agenda when it came to Welbeck so best that we just agree to disagree
With 700 minutes less played. Still bad, but Falcao isn't a permanent signing anyway.
Welbeck compared to our league scorers (sorted in order of g+a/m):
Another sorted in order of goals every x min:
Hmmm... What about wanting someone to do well at a direct CL rival? Methinks you're applying double standards here.
Maybe, but we'll get a better footballer than Danny Welbeck to replace them this summer, that's for sure. Pogue put it quite rightly above there, I just don't get why people here are still so stuck up on him, why the feck would you want him to come good? It's mental.
Not at all, how does Ronaldo doing well for Real implicate us in a season where we don't even compete? I obviously wanted to see him fail spectacularly when he played against us in 2013. And when we are competing in the CL again, I would of course like to see Real be knocked out as soon as possible to make out competition potentially easier for us.
Because he's obsessed with him.
You're literally obsessed with him.
He's the best player at one of the teams most likely to deny us our next CL title. Stands to reason it would be good news for us if his career goes to shit. The sooner the better. Yet I suspect that's not something that would make you happy in the slightest. So its a bit rich to criticise someone else for not taking any pleasure in another ex-United player struggling. It's not as though Arsenal are being hurt by it anyway.
Agreed, anyone who likes a player that played for us to a point that they want them to do quite well(after they've left), is reaching mad winger levels of obsession.
I edited my post too.
The bottom line is, Madrid and Arsenal are both rivals. One domestically and one in Europe. It's in our interest for both Welbeck and Ronaldo to do poorly at their current clubs. You can't have a go at someone for refusing to wish ill on Welbeck while being such a massive fan of Ronaldo. I hope they both go to shit, personally, but have some sympathy with people who want all our ex-players to do well. It's the picking and choosing I don't get.
Aye, I saw it.
My main argument here is:
Arsenal directly implicates us with every single match they play, Real is only implicating us if we are drawn against them. I see your point, and respect it but I don't agree.
Fair enough. You're right in that PL teams should be our main concern.
Well then it's a good thing you picked a club that ensured you would never have to experience any real ups and downs supporting them. I bet you root for the house in blackjack.
That's a bit shallow, isn't it? You don't know why he started supporting United, so why do you think he's some glory hunter? What if it's because he likes how United play or some player? As for ups and downs, we've had our fair few over the past 30 years.
I would call you out for calling me a glory hunter, but I can't be arsed. I've been a part of this for 17 years, and I ain't going away.
I didn't say why he did. I just stated the facts. He picked a club that hasn't had to really endure any meaningful lows for the past couple of decades.
How was he supposed to know that'd be the case at the time?
It's an emotional day when Cina stands up for you 
Even with Falcao's struggling spell with us, I have no regrets for LVG making the call to sell Danny. He frustrated me to no end with his finishing and decision making around the box.
What a bizarre post. Yes I like Danny Welbeck and think he's a good player. I gladly stand by that. Obsessed? Give over
People who play the 'but my club wins more than your club nah nah nah nah nah' card are inevitably what you would describe as glory hunters. I'm sure we've all experienced that.
I have no idea when he started supporting Man Utd but let's be honest, you guys have had near constant success since the beginning of this forum and several years before it. The average age of this place is in the twenties. Most of the people on here have known nothing but sir Froggie and winning. If posters are going to constantly bring up a title drought or whatever as they so often do, it is worth reminding them that no other team has had the benefits you lot have had. Most of us are okay with it. Believe it or not, I don't tie my self worth to whether or not the team I like wins a game of kicking a ball. I like spending 90+ minutes every week watching them (that's just 90 minutes for you non CL clubs) and I like talking about the sport. Why would I be bitter about not winning a title for a number of years? Only at Manchester United in this last period are titles seen as something supporters are owed and many on this forum had a tantrum after one single poor year. So yes, I will take the opportunity to add some perspective from the other side of the looking glass.
Ultimately, not a great loss.
I can't see where he would have played for us if he stayed.
It's been said many times that Danny just doesn't have a football brain, it's pure pace and hard work for him which aren't Van Gaal traits.
Herrera came out and said he was coached out of chasing the ball too much, covering too much ground. Danny would be a nightmare for Louis.
Danny wouldn't get into our team now, never mind the reinforcements that are rumoured for the summer
It's been said many times that Danny just doesn't have a football brain, it's pure pace and hard work for him which aren't Van Gaal traits.
Herrera came out and said he was coached out of chasing the ball too much, covering too much ground. Danny would be a nightmare for Louis.
Danny wouldn't get into our team now, never mind the reinforcements that are rumoured for the summer
Pogue and SirAF sitting in a tree...
Twigginator is on Mad Winger scale of agenda driven when it comes to Welbeck. Just that liking him is cooler than liking Kagawa so people get less annoying with Twigginator.
sure, we've definitely been blessed, but the point still stands, how was he to know, at the time, that we'd continue to be so successful? 10-15 years ago you could've easily picked Arsenal too, who looked just as comfortable back then. I don't think you could've predicted at the time which team was going to have the more successful ten years, could you? Hell, you could've easily picked Chelsea in 02/03 either. I really don't see how you can criticise him for 'picking' Utd at the time, unless you think he's psychic.
All round a good decision to let him go. He's not first choice striker material and the move is something that he would have also wanted in order to try to become 1st choice elsewhere.
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