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Danny Welbeck | Ornstein: Chelsea interested
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There was a time where I’d have said 13 goals was a brilliant tally for Welbeck. He’s always been a really solid team player, but never chipped in with enough goals for a striker.
It’s an obvious move. Maybe have Chelsea set the fee first and then swoop in, having already agreed terms with him on the down low.
As of now, United have seven senior options for the front three, plus younger players like Thompson and Lacey. They would need to sell someone before buying Welbeck.
Strikers?
I could say the same for Lindelof, and while it would be still nuts to sign him, it would be less nuts.
Again, Welbeck was bad for us almost 15 years ago. And after that, was bad for Arsenal. And then, was bad for Watford or whatever. Then for four seasons, he was bad for Brighton. Then, on the last two seasons, in a system that suited him quite well, he was decent for them.
He was also bad for England. So bad, that he didn’t play for them for the last 8 years. Despite that best backups for England were the likes of Toney and Watkins.
Yes, he grew up at United and scored 40 or so goals over 150 or so appearances over a decade ago. That episode ended back then, no reason to revive it. It would end with him scoring 2 goals over 15 clear chances he would get during the season.
What would Chibo Odi learn from Welbeck? How to miss clear-cut chances every match.
He can definitely offer better styling tips than Maguire, he is a lovely looking fella.
We actually have five players now that can or have played as a striker:
Mbeumo
Cunha
Sesko
Rashford
Zirkzee
You might say they aren’t good options, but I still do not expect United to move for another one unless someone is sold.
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Is he a better striker than Cunha and Mbeumo?
Not in my opinion, as of now.
I think it's not a secret that we're looking to move on Zirkzee and Rashford (we might not succeed with the latter, but he's not a leading the line type of player either). Cunha can do a job there, but we need someone who can actually get on the end of things. And I don't see Mbeumo working as a lone striker either. It seems to me pretty clear that we need a backup/competition for Sesko. And we don't need to make room (apart from getting rid of Zirkzee). Cunha/Mbeumo/Amad/Dorgu and the young lads are competing for the wide positions, and on occasion Cunha can be used as a false nine.
With Welbeck we're talking about a super cheap (I assume) option for 1 or 2 seasons. It's a great move.
I think he’s a better CF than Mbeumo
Couldn’t imagine that he would cost more than 5-6m
Acquired from being stung I assume.
I’m sure we are trying to get rid of the two you mentioned too. But until that happens I feel like we will hesitate to replace them. We shall see.
Quite literally does not make sense with Lindelof.
He’s not been bad at Brighton. He found his level there.
Again he’s would be coming in for pure rotational value. If you can point to another experienced striker who wouldn’t want to be starting every game. Let us know.
No brainer. I’ll be livid if we let him go to Chelsea.
I think he'd be a smart pickup, but not going freak out if he does to Chelsea. Would love and older striker to back up Sessko and bring on a times etc....has to be others out there.
I thought he was available on a free.
Wouldn't pay more than £10m for him but Brighton will take the piss as per usual.
Wouldn't pay more than £10m for him but Brighton will take the piss as per usual.
Multiple things wrong with your points.
Jonny Evans joined us at the end of his career, apparently not good enough for LVG and didnt play for a team in Europe after. Came back and was one if not our best CB at the time and was always reliable.
Using Tuchels 26 man squas to determine if Welbeck is good enough another weak argument, as there were multiple questions about his selection. For example bringing James who has a poor injury record over TAA or not even including TAA in his 26 man squad. Not bringing Maguire who has had one of his best seasons at United and has been mister reliable for England for years. But brought John Stones who barely played for City this year.
Unless you have any other argument to validate any claims, im all for it, but the above are weak as feck.
For few months I thought he'd be good solution as we need experienced striker next to Šeško. But no indiciations atm we'll hijack this deal.
2 more goals in 4 more games, playing as a solo striker, whereas Mbuemo floated between the middle and wide areas.
Hardly screams a must buy even as a squad player.
I am not a scout. But if our 50 or whatever scouts we have cannot recommend a better alternative to Welbeck, then they would deserve getting fired on the spot.
There are probably several hundred strikers better than him right there.
It depends what Chelsea are offering him. Good luck to him
Wanted him back for a good while, but it makes no sense unless Zirkzee is going
We need to hijack this after Chelsea get a bid accepted. We aren't going to splash the cash for a back up striker so presumably he'd be one of the best options on the market at the price point we'd be looking at.
Reality is that with Rashford seemingly unsellable we won't be sanctioning any kind of move for a forward. INEOS will look at the combination of Rashford, Cunha and Mbuemo as ample support for the striker spot and maybe even give Chido a few games also even if we end up selling Zirkzee.
Would anyone on this forum prefer Zirkzee to Welbeck as a backup next season?
I prefer Mbeumo to Welbeck. Considering all afcon players were not in form after returning I think Mbeumo played relatively well and can improve next season. I'm actually looking forward to it a bit.
Zirkzee is not good enough to be our number 2 striker for goals but he is a centre forward we should use to make our goals come from wingers instead if he stays.
The words of someone who has some weird agenda as there are quite literally not.
The point isn’t if there are better strikers out there. If course there are. But if there are ones who fit a very unique brief of being more towards the end of their career, low fee, low wages, experienced, a good professional, won’t kick up a fuss if not starting every week. (People point to Mateta, but he would want to be starting).
He also loves scoring against us, so that would be fixed.
We already have Mbeumo and Cunha as strikers that won't kick up a fuss if not starting every week as CF. Welbeck doesn't do the job better than they do. If we are signing forwards, they need to be bigger improvements than Welbeck.
Probably most of the strikers we could buy aren’t. So you say we shouldn’t buy another back-up striker?
I think Welbeck is low risk, had a great season, knows the premier league, would probably not demand to be the first striker, is probably not that expensive, his salary is probably not that high, he is a great professional, he could be a great rolmodel for all the young players we have, he doesn’t block the pad of younger players, he is from the area, he is from the academy, he looks like a great character for the dressingroom, he could move into coaching in the academy after he quits.
I think there are a lot of positives. But no I don’t think he is better than Mbeumo or Cunha. But don’t you think we need them in other positions with all the games we get extra.
If he was available for cheap enough, sure, but it would have to be very cheap.
We're also not in the position Chelsea are in of obviously lacking experience in the dressing room, which would make Welbeck (and other players they've been linked to like Henderson and Xhaka) particularly appealing for them.
Their oldest players last season were Sanchez, Cucurella and Tosin, all 27 at the start of the season. Whereas we had Mazraoui, Martinez, Bayindir, Bruno, Shaw, Maguire, Casemiro and Heaton all aged between 27 and 39. And even having lost Casemiro, we've already replaced him with a 29 year old Tielemans.
We're also not in the position Chelsea are in of obviously lacking experience in the dressing room, which would make Welbeck (and other players they've been linked to like Henderson and Xhaka) particularly appealing for them.
Their oldest players last season were Sanchez, Cucurella and Tosin, all 27 at the start of the season. Whereas we had Mazraoui, Martinez, Bayindir, Bruno, Shaw, Maguire, Casemiro and Heaton all aged between 27 and 39. And even having lost Casemiro, we've already replaced him with a 29 year old Tielemans.
Also we have Champions League football and they don't.
If we are planning to sign a striker, I'd hope Danny bloody Welbeck wouldn't be considered.
He has maybe one more good season left in him? Not enough to justify paying £30m+ for him.
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