Darren Fletcher | u18s Manager

OverratedOpinion said:
Well Amad was seen as the full back at the time. Because our brilliant executives were happy to invest in a formation that they clearly never had any real faith in :lol:

Still, a nice problem to have I suppose. Maybe Amad could play some on the left and Mbeumo could play some matches up front. It'll all have to be a bit fluid.
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We do tend to play our best football with a fluid front 3 but we’ve not just spent like 75m on a ST to not play him. And he’ll be a lot better with a proper playmaker behind him. Bruno loves helping the ST score goals… I remember him with martial
 
DJ_21 said:
We do tend to play our best football with a fluid front 3 but we’ve not just spent like 75m on a ST to not play him. And he’ll be a lot better with a proper playmaker behind him. Bruno loves helping the ST score goals… I remember him with martial
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None of them apart from Bruno will start every match.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
None of them apart from Bruno will start every match.
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Depends on form I suppose. If Šeško goes on a scoring streak then he won’t be dropped. Theirs a big decision to make between Amad and Mbeumo for that RW spot, but I guess that’s a good thing that we can always bring one on when we need a goal.
 
DJ_21 said:
With the way Amad is playing and Lacey being promising… makes you wonder whether we needed Mbuemo. That money could have gone on a midfielder instead.
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Being promising for 15mins is nothing like being a proven Premier League goalscorer and one of the best at it...that is ridiculous!
 
DJ_21 said:
Depends on form I suppose. If Šeško goes on a scoring streak then he won’t be dropped. Theirs a big decision to make between Amad and Mbeumo for that RW spot, but I guess that’s a good thing that we can always bring one on when we need a goal.
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At least we’d have some sort of squad quality in attack again (finally!) as well. Never a bad thing - especially if we’re (hopefully) in Europe soon again.
 
Bondi77 said:
Being promising for 15mins is nothing like being a proven Premier League goalscorer and one of the best at it...that is ridiculous!
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True but it closes the pathway for him to develop and get first team minutes.
 
Bastian said:
100%

If he gets the rest of the season and does well and looks the part that would be a best case scenario IMV.
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Have to disagree here. Fletcher might get results and we all know he's a great guy, but we can't repeat the same mistakes again, this club needs experience. It's one thing to get the basics right, but when things go wrong, if the manager has no pedigree, the players will always doubt him, the media pressure will be unbearable, and only the top managers can deal with that. This why I hate interim appointments, because once they do relatively well, it puts pressure on the leadership to give them the job long term, and 9 times out of 10 it goes sour.
 
Linerarms said:
We brought Pogba back for 80 million after giving him away, this club is insane when it comes to wasting money. I love Ole but he should not come back, I reckon the club are thinking it would get the fans off their back bringing back a legend. Nearly every red I know said Ole should not come back.
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The other day on talk sport they had a 'phone in' it was 2 morons who both wanted Ole in. And the idiot presenter Jim said it looks like the fans want Ole. It was so obvious that they cherry picked them as I think they're in the minority
 
Stobzilla said:
The problem for him I think is that if he does get it and does well, say he gets us CL, do people still want him long term? If we go for someone else and he stays at the club, that is going to hang over that new manager coming in.

If he comes in, does well and doesn't get it, you think he would have to leave and I wouldn't fancy his chances of coming back if he does, which is a shame because I think this job is bigger than your experiences or philosophy, I think you have to be the right person for it above all else, and it seems like he is.
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No I wouldn't keep him long term as a head coach but if I was Wilcox I would sell him the idea of being a mainstay in the coaching staff. Clubs like Bayern, Ajax, Barcelona and a few others have staff members that are club employees, the permanent head coach has to work with them, a famous example has been Hermann Gerland with Bayern.
 
Utd had more shots on goal in their first game under Fletcher than in any other league game this season.

That with Amad and Mbeumo still away, Cunha playing like shit, Bruno half fit and Dorgu the main source of penetration on the wing. While playing a new system.

So many of the Amorin advocates have been holding on to stats about shots on target, XG.

None of it matters if it is not producing results.
 
I think he has performed really well in his press conferences, assured, humble and focused. He also made an excellent point on his post playing career experience, he has garnered experience in multiple disciplines, coaching at junior and senior levels combined with executive positions etc, in effect he is using his press conferences to position himself for the manager role which demonstrates shrewdness that I do not believe Ole has.
 
I’d keep him on rather than wasting our time with this protracted interim interview process.
 
2 man midfield said:
Anyone else hoping he gets the job until the end of the season?
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I'm hoping he does well and stays in charge this season. But it's just hope, we don't have enough information yet. We played well for one game, we'll see what happens.
 
hellhunter said:
Why is that for sure?

I'd like Fletcher to get the interim role, but it's based on hope and romanticism. We know very little about him as a coach, he hasn't shown anything yet.
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Seen Ole in action , don’t want a repeat viewing
 
Amsterdam Devil said:
I like him.

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Love that he’s given the players ownership and responsibility on the pitch. He’s also giving them freedom to express themselves. His interviews have been very good and interesting to listen to.
 
DJ_21 said:
Love that he’s given the players ownership and responsibility on the pitch. He’s also giving them freedom to express themselves. His interviews have been very good and interesting to listen to.
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Probably all you can do from one training session too, but he did the right thing really
 
Garethw said:
He really isn’t. We need an experienced interim manager.
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Experienced in what? Fletcher’s actually been coaching and working with our set up on the last few years. Ole feels like a step backwards.
 
It's weird that he's having interviews like that.

The way he speaks, how he wants us to play, his views on football and what this club needs... I agree with it all. Whoever comes in should have the exact same logic, views and plans. Or you just give it to Fletcher and if he does a good job he stays on. I'd be pretty comfortable with giving him the job if he impressed as interim. Many other managers just don't get what this club needs and we go through a ton of stress, time, money and frustration for the wrong plan. Follow the right plan consistently and it'll gradually improve.
 
bosnian_red said:
It's weird that he's having interviews like that.

The way he speaks, how he wants us to play, his views on football and what this club needs... I agree with it all. Whoever comes in should have the exact same logic, views and plans. Or you just give it to Fletcher and if he does a good job he stays on. I'd be pretty comfortable with giving him the job if he impressed as interim. Many other managers just don't get what this club needs and we go through a ton of stress, time, money and frustration for the wrong plan. Follow the right plan consistently and it'll gradually improve.
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I somewhat agree but being THE manager for one of biggest clubs in the worlds isn’t just about sounding “good”. It’s also about being able to implement these sound bites into a plan, IMO. Is Fletch able to do it? Who knows? We’re just in such a shambles that it’s difficult to go for an “unproven” coach, IMO. I actually want Fletch to get the gig until the end of the season. And from there…
 
If they give it to Fletch for a few months then that's fine. He's well thought of in the game, knows the club and the players will know and respect him.

No problem at all and I reckon he'd do a fair job. I think the fact that they aren't rushing the interim process seems like the club are pretty comfortable with him too.
 
bosnian_red said:
It's weird that he's having interviews like that.

The way he speaks, how he wants us to play, his views on football and what this club needs... I agree with it all. Whoever comes in should have the exact same logic, views and plans. Or you just give it to Fletcher and if he does a good job he stays on. I'd be pretty comfortable with giving him the job if he impressed as interim. Many other managers just don't get what this club needs and we go through a ton of stress, time, money and frustration for the wrong plan. Follow the right plan consistently and it'll gradually improve.
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Thought the same. Why is a very, very short term interim doing an interview like that.

Although I also really liked everything he said. Letting players think for themselves a bit. I'm up for that.
 
This rhetoric is all good when it's going well, but it will quickly pivot when it's not going well. Much like ole, I hope this goes a bit deeper than this.
 
I’ve always been impressed with Darren’s ability to communicate and his views on football and life in general really. He comes across very humble and grounded but also quietly driven.

When some complained about ‘ jobs for the boys’ I was pleased when the club kept him around in whatever capacity. Even if he doesn’t get the top job I hope he still works with the youth players.

I like the idea of former players who truly care about the club helping to inspire the next generation from within.
 
Lash said:
This rhetoric is all good when it's going well, but it will quickly pivot when it's not going well. Much like ole, I hope this goes a bit deeper than this.
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Yeah and Amorim talked great in his first week. Looked wrecked 3 months in
 
Ish said:
I somewhat agree but being THE manager for one of biggest clubs in the worlds isn’t just about sounding “good”. It’s also about being able to implement these sound bites into a plan, IMO. Is Fletch able to do it? Who knows? We’re just in such a shambles that it’s difficult to go for an “unproven” coach, IMO. I actually want Fletch to get the gig until the end of the season. And from there…
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Yeah we have no idea with Fletcher. But I definitely am tired of random managers who think they need to bring their identity into the club and completely abandon our principles to do it. It'll never stick and feel right. For now at least, just want the club to feel like it should feel. Only time it felt like that post Sir Alex was for 2 years under Ole.
 
Marwood said:
Thought the same. Why is a very, very short term interim doing an interview like that.

Although I also really liked everything he said. Letting players think for themselves a bit. I'm up for that.
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Yup. Too much of modern football over complicates things into the minute details as they talked about. Give them a framework but give them the freedom to problem solve themselves. It's what Ancelotti has done his whole career too, it's what Zidane did. I'd say the managers who have succeeded like Pep has are a far bigger minority than those who have been more relaxed tactically. Most of them are just wannabe visionaries who can't step it up at the highest level.
 
Zumbi said:
Experienced in what? Fletcher’s actually been coaching and working with our set up on the last few years. Ole feels like a step backwards.
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Experienced in managing a football club. There’s a huge difference between under 23 work and first team management.

I don’t want Ole as the permanent manager, but a straight up choice between him and Fletch to the end of the season? I’d take Ole every time.
 
Garethw said:
Experienced in managing a football club. There’s a huge difference between under 23 work and first team management.

I don’t want Ole as the permanent manager, but a straight up choice between him and Fletch to the end of the season? I’d take Ole every time.
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Sure, but we’ve completely changed the set up since Ole’s time. The position we’re hiring for is interim head coach, not manager. And Fletcher has far more experience coaching in the past few years than Ole does for example. Even when Ole was here it was Carrick and McKenna doing the actual training ground stuff, not Ole. And neither of them would consider working under Ole now.
 
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