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I thought he actually did quite well to even get a hand on the free kick. The criticism is harsh. Fred takes the blame for the brainless foul.
Exactly. He needs to get them to try for the far post. That's basic goal keeping. Why? Because it's the longest distance the ball has to travel from where that kick was taken. It gives the keeper more time to get to the ball.You want him to stand on the right side and put the wall up to cover his left!?
Yeah, no top keeper sets his wall up like that.
Pretty much this. Made worse by the fact he let one in from a similar position/set up midweek.See this is where you may not understand. You need to get the wall where the ball has to travel the most distance. By putting the wall where he put it, he gave the opportunity for the free kick to be hit into the near post. He was far to his left. One step to the right he would have been in a good position. And he didn't move his feet quickly enough. I have seen the goals in lots of angles and slow motion too.
He is not to blame for the first goal at all.
Ah yes, truly heroic how he jumped behind the post and tried paddling the ball away with a half extended arm.So afraid of the post he injured himself against the post trying to save the shot.
Because he was so much to his left he left space for the kicker to put it in the right corner. The wall should have been one step to the left and he should have been one step to his right.You want him to stand on the right side and put the wall up to cover his left!?
Yeah, no top keeper sets his wall up like that.
Exactly. He needs to get them to try for the far post. That's basic goal keeping. Why? Because it's the longest distance the ball has to travel from where that kick was taken. It gives the keeper more time to get to the ball.
He doesn't need to stand to his extreme right. He needed just one step to his right. His legs were far too apart and his movement of his feet were slow.
Ask any decent coach and they would tell you the same. The further the ball has to travel the more time a keeper has to save it.
Pretty much this. Made worse by the fact he let one in from a similar position/set up midweek.
Then he really wouldn't be able to see the ball!!Because he was so much to his left he left space for the kicker to put it in the right corner. The wall should have been one step to the left and he should have been one step to his right.
No. He should have got his wall one step to the left and he himself one step to the right. That forces the kicker to get it to the far post. It gives him time to move either way. One step to the right he would have saved it.His wall is covering his near post. This is how all walls for free kicks from that position are set up
Are you genuinely... Genuinely suggesting that De Gea should have his wall covering the far post?? Because again... Nobody has EVER done this.
He didn't start right of the centre. Just go and look at it in a few angles and in slow motion and where his feet was at the start.Then he really wouldn't be able to see the ball!!
He also was stood right of centre... Any more and JWP has a free hit at the far post.
Well said.De Gea would probably have got less criticism for the free kick if he had just stayed rooted to the spot.
Get nowhere near it and people would have shrugged and said it was just a perfectly placed kick from a dead ball specialist. Because he managed to *nearly* save it he gets more criticism, because it then looks like he could have done more. And hell, maybe he could have done more if he is getting his hand to the ball. But the reality is that he was still doing well to even get that hand to a freekick that would have beaten pretty much any goalkeeper you want in goal.
As for the corner, it was quite similar to another we conceded not too long ago. Flat corner into the area and De Gea is somehow expected to teleport his way through the mass of six bodies in front of him to get to a ball arriving in front of his near post before any of those other players do. Either he goes for it (and gets blamed for being weak when he predictably doesn't claim it) or he stays on his line (as other more dominant keepers regularly do in that same situation too) and gets blamed for not going for it.
Because people think De Gea doesn't go for crosses enough, any cross he doesn't go for is his fault, ignoring the fact that there are some balls he should absolutely not go for. It's not like there weren't already four United defenders against the two Southampton attackers all going for the same ball in front of him.
They were two excellent set-pieces from one of the best set-piece takers in the league. But because people have a pre-existing narrative about De Gea, it's all on him. Even Roy Keane (who has previously been vicious in his criticism of De Gea) didn't blame him:
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But no doubt the anti-De Gea brain trust will quickly be in to tell us that not only was it entirely De Gea's fault, but that they themselves would have actually kept it out as they understand being goalkeeping more than he does and/or that De Gea has actually been a liability across his entire career, even in his best seasons. Because that's how braindead agenda-posting works.
IMO he should expect Ward-Prowse to go near post because going the other way is a much lower percentage chance. He should also suspect his wall won't provide the cover that he needs and, therefore, cheat just enough to the near post that he can get there and isn't parrying the ball from behind the line exactly like the game in mid-week.His wall is covering his near post. This is how all walls for free kicks from that position are set up
Are you genuinely... Genuinely suggesting that De Gea should have his wall covering the far post?? Because again... Nobody has EVER done this.
He didn't start right of the centre. Just go and look at it in a few angles and in slow motion and where his feet was at the start.
Watch it slow mo. Different angle from behind him
Looks right of centre to me.
No he is to blame for this, Henderson might not be as good between the sticks but he is better in all other parts of the goalkeepers job.I thought he actually did quite well to even get a hand on the free kick. The criticism is harsh. Fred takes the blame for the brainless foul.
https://ibb.co/F59968XHe didn't start right of the centre. Just go and look at it in a few angles and in slow motion and where his feet was at the start.
Andy Mitten on his podcast a few years ago said the defenders at the time preferred playing with Romero over De Gea because of his communication and willingness to come off his line. This was when we had the likes of Smalling, Jones, Blind etc so different set of players to now but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a similar situation.The times I have seen Hendo play with this defense, there was this calmness on them that is hard to explain. The defense knows DDG weakness and go out of their way to help and this creates confusion in the backfield on set pieces. He may not be as good as DDG when it comes to reflex saves, the calmness should be considered.
Yeah, perfect kick. Thought De Gea should have learned to cover more of the near post by now though, considering how much he gets beaten by that exact free kick. With his positioning, the moment Ward-Prowse got it to go over the wall and dip, De Gea might as well not be there.Over the wall is never the keepers fault. You give the kick taker that, if he’s good enough to get it up and down good luck to him. This one is not on De Gea.
This is spot on. His lack of presence alone makes a huge difference. The opposition team could attack without having to worry about a goalkeeping intervention, and our defenders always have to do all the work.Don’t blame him for either goal but you can see the JWP was targetting his weakness. Every corner aimed to drop under the crossbar. Which isn’t ideal.
Except he wouldn't see the ball because the wall would be in his way.No. He should have got his wall one step to the left and he himself one step to the right. That forces the kicker to get it to the far post. It gives him time to move either way. One step to the right he would have saved it.
If the kicker had gone for the far post he would have time to get to it.
I have seen the goal from different angles and in slow motion. Even just now.Except he wouldn't see the ball because the wall would be in his way.
You set the wall to the right, stand to the centre and if the fk taker puts it in the corner you say well done great fk and move on.
Its the same for every fk from the position, the free kick isn't normally that good
I have seen what Hoddle and Owen said that same thing. You are right. He can't dive to the right because of his starting position. I have seen it numerous times from different angles.Wouldn’t mind seeing a deep dive bit of analysis on De Gea’s positioning on the two free kicks. I’m convinced his body angle and starting position is all wrong. He basically gives himself no option to dive right to the near post, without having to hop forward a couple of times. The way he is setting up means that he will end up behind the goal line when attempting to save at the near post. He’s now conceded twice this week alone from very similar free kicks.
No you don't. You make the wall depending on what angle the kick is being taken. It's basic mistake he made today. You always make the taker take the longest route. The more time the ball is in the air the more chance you have of saving it.Except he wouldn't see the ball because the wall would be in his way.
You set the wall to the right, stand to the centre and if the fk taker puts it in the corner you say well done great fk and move on.
Its the same for every fk from the position, the free kick isn't normally that good
Although I'm sceptical about De Gea's positioning on these two recent free kick, I'm not sure what you're saying is right. I mean, it sounds logical, but don't goalkeepers almost always position the wall at the near post for these free kicks? And then they stand slightly closer to the far post, thereby encouraging the taker to shoot towards the near post.No you don't. You make the wall depending on what angle the kick is being taken. It's basic mistake he made today. You always make the taker take the longest route. The more time the ball is in the air the more chance you have of saving it.
It depends on the angle of the position. I am saying because the angle is far out, he should have position his wall one step to the left and he should have positioned himself one step to the right. I have seen it numerous times because of this thread. His starting position was actually to the left of centre. He then had his feet too much apart. Then he started moving to the right. This is where the problem is. Because he starts to the left of the centre and his feet are apart too, he could not get his feet moving quickly enough too. He was the one step away from getting to the ball. The wall one step to the left is to encourage the taker to go to the far post. This gives the keeper more time to get to the ball.Although I'm sceptical about De Gea's positioning on these two recent free kick, I'm not sure what you're saying is right. I mean, it sounds logical, but don't goalkeepers almost always position the wall at the near post for these free kicks? And then they stand slightly closer to the far post, thereby encouraging the taker to shoot towards the near post.
Or maybe I'm going crazy because it's nearly 1:30 AM...
We looked a lot more in control of the penalty area after half time. Henderson just has an aura around him when he's on the pitch.Andy Mitten on his podcast a few years ago said the defenders at the time preferred playing with Romero over De Gea because of his communication and willingness to come off his line. This was when we had the likes of Smalling, Jones, Blind etc so different set of players to now but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a similar situation.
Please feel free to enlighten us?Just scrolled up through the comments here. So many people haven’t a clue about football. Disappointing more than anything.