I'm aware, I said Noble as he came to mind as i was typing my last post. I watched the highlights of the Wolves game this morning and the last West Ham game i watched vs United he started both. I could have said Rice who is an actual DM and it wouldn't have changed my point i don't think.
Two points, first you've watched 90% of West Hams games this season? Genuinely interested are you a West Ham fan?
Secondly so you are saying West Ham aren't a counter attacking side?
Well ok they have been when I've watched them.
I did say i could be wrong to be fair and I think everyone knows Transfermarkt aren't 100% accurate. All I'm saying is whenever I've watched them their midfielders sit deep for the most part, Transfermarkt might interpret that as them playing as a DM. And again when I say a sitting midfielder I don't necessarily mean a dedicated DM. And of course my opinion of Moyes formation might be coloured by watching his teams over the last 19-20 years.
I would say I'm a close follower of West Ham. I just love watching football in my free time and West Ham have been one of the teams I prefer to watch since 2015. But of course if United play against West Ham I wll definitely want us to win. So call me whatever you like, I just happen to watch most of their games.
I really don't understand the definition of "a counter attacking side". If you think football is binary and all tactics other than keeping possession are counter attacking, well then West Ham surely are (so as many teams in the league). My stance is close to
@TrustInOle and you could refer to #885 on this point.
According to the
Premier League, we score the same number of goals from counter attack as West Ham. Do you consider us as "a counter attacking side"? Leeds score more goals from counter attack, but I don't see people call their tactics "outdated" or "dinosaur".
Our definitions towards "a sitting midfielder" are also different. "A sitting midfielder", as the name suggests, is a midfielder literally "sitting" in front of the backline for the whole game and he seldom or never breaks forward to attack. Classic examples are Carrick and Busquets. It's hard to discuss if we don't have a concensus on this term.
If you follow this thread long enough you would know I've also criticized Moyes on multiple occassions. He's nowhere near a perfect manager and I agree sometimes he's too conservative. But some fans' perspective towards him is clearly skewed based on the limited matches they watch (usually big matches) and his failure at United. This is not fair.
Another thing that's not fair is that some classify Moyes, Hodgson, Hughes etc. as the same type of managers and judge them as a group. You'll know they deploy very different tactics if you have actually watched their games. On the other day Palace were playing short-passing football with a lot of one-twos and people still assumed they played long ball.