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De Gea Contract Situation
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He has to blame some
United sent Keylor contract with modifications at 21:43. Madrid studied the changes and sent it back to United at 23:32, "At 22:40 BST, minutes before the deadline, major changes to the documentation came through to Manchester United which immediately put the deals at risk.", what major changes? I guess that Navas agent did those major changes. I don´t understand this either : "Only at 22:55 BST were the documents that are needed to cancel David's contract received by Manchester United from Real Madrid.", was not De Gea contract signed and sent 13:39?, if that is true, then United sent back the documents a couple of minutes before midnight. "We all like to blame others but if you let one slip through your fingers into the back of the net, then ultimately the culpability is yours." . I send you the documents after beating around the bush all the day with 5 minutes left but you are the clumsy
. I wonder what Madrid did from 21:43 to 23:32, why they needed 2 hours to give the contract back. I still can´t believe the delay version, something else had to happenAlternatively United were in a win-win, the deal going through meant they lost a WC GK for close to their evaluation, but also got a good GK, on the other hand the deal not going through meant they keep a WC GK for 1 more year losing him then for free.
Letting your WC GK know you are glad he is still a United player is not a bad move. Still of the opinion Perez did not have sufficient support for the deal this year for that amount of money. In addition the changes for Navas contract were probably RM induced.
at 22.32 but without the signature page. Maybe that has do to with something?He has to blame some
United sent Keylor contract with modifications at 21:43. Madrid studied the changes and sent it back to United at 23:32, "At 22:40 BST, minutes before the deadline, major changes to the documentation came through to Manchester United which immediately put the deals at risk.", what major changes? I guess that Navas agent did those major changes. I don´t understand this either : "Only at 22:55 BST were the documents that are needed to cancel David's contract received by Manchester United from Real Madrid.", was not De Gea contract signed and sent 13:39?, if that is true, then United sent back the documents a couple of minutes before midnight. "We all like to blame others but if you let one slip through your fingers into the back of the net, then ultimately the culpability is yours." . I send you the documents after beating around the bush all the day with 5 minutes left but you are the clumsy
Now, when Perez is complaining about United not having experience in this situations it could be that he is upset that United took time with the changes Navas (his agent) made to his contract instead of just accepting it. United maybe have held de Gea's documents for a long time but is was still sent back early enough to make this deal happen with ease. As you have asked, why did it take Real to 2 hours to send it back if they have accepted it straight away.
What I don't understand. United is saying that they have uploaded everything in time, but it was only 2 minutes before the deadline, so even if true it's not really on time as it leaves you almost no time to react. But clubs must be ready for that, so why did Real wait for United to send it back without preparing everything (you know, putting everything in end then just press "enter" when everything is ready). It's not the first time that deals are done this way so there must be a way.
And one interesting thing, Real is saying United sent documents back at 21.43, while United is saying 21.42, so the is one minute difference. United is saying that they have sent the final documents at 23.58, while Real is saying 00.00. It's only few minutes, but it made the difference.
The one thing that makes me think that Real did something wrong is the reaction Perez is having. Mentioning former transfers, transfers were we didn't even sent the offer, and supposedly some players told him they don't want to go to United because they lack experience it's not only unprofessional and childish, but it also makes him look like someone who wants to put the blame on someone else, so he is doing everything he can to achieve that.
Yeah, but your club started it with the statement and then Perez. United are just following suit
It will be interesting to see how DDG reacts, clearly he was told by RM he was wanted, valued etc, yet RM waited until final day to make a bid. He's a young man, I hope over time he has the sense to see this for what it is, even if he does, he'll still probably conclude no point in signing a new contract and risk another debacle.
Real didn't have to wait for United to put their stuff in the TMS(or whatever it's called), they could have done so at any point everything on their end was ready and the transfer would have been finalized the moment Man Utd uploaded their end.
Sounds like Perez was afraid Man Utd would double cross him by not uploading on time, and was unsure if Navas' transfer would go through anyway as our window was still open, leaving them with only Kiko Casilla as a first team keeper. Afraid of dirty tactics(expecting this kind of action says a lot about how his mind works), he ended up dicking himself, Madrid, De Gea and Navas over.
OK, if that's true (something new I have learned, thx
), then it's quite clear who made the mistake.The only thing is that I don't think that Perez was afraid that United would double cross him because United said that the deals depended on each other.
Oh shut up you fool. You had 3 months to make his dream come true but you thought you could lowball United so f**k right off. And btw, his dream isn't ruined, he can join next year if he so wishes so stop mouthing off and get back to managing your comedy club
That's what I've read about how that transfer system works anyway.OK, if that's true (something new I have learned, thx
The only thing is that I don't think that Perez was afraid that United would double cross him because United said that the deals depended on each other.
The deals, if linked did depend on each other to go through, but it seems Perez didn't want to take the chance(they might have said that in their 10 point statement).
Yes something happened. Real changed their mind and did all that the deal didn't come through. The most important part is:He has to blame some
United sent Keylor contract with modifications at 21:43. Madrid studied the changes and sent it back to United at 23:32, "At 22:40 BST, minutes before the deadline, major changes to the documentation came through to Manchester United which immediately put the deals at risk.", what major changes? I guess that Navas agent did those major changes. I don´t understand this either : "Only at 22:55 BST were the documents that are needed to cancel David's contract received by Manchester United from Real Madrid.", was not De Gea contract signed and sent 13:39?, if that is true, then United sent back the documents a couple of minutes before midnight. "We all like to blame others but if you let one slip through your fingers into the back of the net, then ultimately the culpability is yours." . I send you the documents after beating around the bush all the day with 5 minutes left but you are the clumsy
MANCHESTER UNITED: At 22:58 BST, the transfer agreement was sent back by Manchester United, uploaded onto TMS and accepted – all before the deadline. It is our understanding that the deals couldn't happen because Real Madrid didn't upload David's documents onto TMS in time (Manchester United did). Real Madrid didn't upload David's documents to the Spanish league in time, per reports it seems some 28 minutes after the deadline."
At this stage Real and United had all the documents, the documents which United send back to Real were not vital because we uploaded them on TMS already. We uploaded our part of the documents and Real should do the same with their documents. As much i understand about the trasfers - Real didn't uploaded their documents in time. And this happened before with Coentrao.
Real's complaints don't make sense. Only one club entered the transfer into TMS, only one club made their Football Association aware that a transfer was taking place. We have now learnt Real Madrid didn't even need us to send any documents over in order to enter De Gea's details into TMS. According to Ballague, Real had been briefing to the press as early as the afternoon that they didn't think the transfer would go through, why? They complain that we took time over Navas' contract when they took no time over Dave's. Hold on, Real Madrid have had a year to sort out De Gea's contract. He admits they have been tapping him up. I hope our statements on this issue has ended. Real Madrid can go on whining all they want, we don't have to engage in this nonsense any longer.
"MANCHESTER UNITED: At this point Navas' documentation was still not returned by Real Madrid"
Was the Navas transfer ever going to go through, did we ever get his documentation?
Was the Navas transfer ever going to go through, did we ever get his documentation?
Without wanting to turn this into "yeah, but you're worse!"-playground-kind-of-thing, Madrid is honestly embarrassing themselves more in this case. First the club issues a statement pointing fingers at United and then Perez goes on air to do the same thing. United only issued a statement saying what they did and what Madrid didn't do (factual shit for the most part - i.e. didn't put the documents into the thingamabob). Now, I don't really think that either club is telling the full story, but - like I said before - based on Perez insistence of trying to blame this on us and the outright bizarre claims he's made (i.e. United fecked up the Coentrao transfer), I'm pretty certain that Madrid are not without blame at the very least. Could United have done some bits quicker (this seems to be Perez' main issue)? Perhaps, but did we need to? The right documents were seemingly ready on time, and it was Madrid's own decision to wait until the last day of the window to make a bid (no, I don't buy the "United told us he wasn't for sale" nonsense).
But yeah, overall I agree - this follow-up poop-flinging isn't really doing anyone any favours. Like I said right after Madrid released their initial statement I'd quite like to have United simply say "We put in the right documents in time. Good night!", but I can understand the need to defend themselves as claims like Madrid made can easily be accepted as the truth by the general public if it isn't contested.
Keylor Navas wanted the feck out of there too. We could have had 4 hispanic keepers on our books 
How many keepers can a club have ?Keylor Navas wanted the feck out of there too. We could have had 4 hispanic keepers on our books
This is the thing most posters are happy to overlook. How can we receive all the nessecary documents 2 minutes before the deadline and still have enough time to send everything to the lfp?
It's not just about sending to lfp though, the problem is that you made no attempt to do it either. Real could have at least tried to talk to lfp and convince them for a bit of extra time, if they had done that then irrespective of lfp's decision you would have looked good. The fact that Real basically said feck it we can't do this is not really going with your version of we did everything we could.
According to sid Lowe you didn't need the documents sent by us. It's a simultaneous process where you upload papers on your end and we do the same. If both these paper match then the transfer goes through.
As long as their combined skill value isn't higher than 100 in FIFA 16 as many as we like. So if DdG had left we'd be fine.
Maybe United's naivety was not in having an agreement with Navas in place beforehand?
There were reports on the day that it took time to convince him and agree a contract, we should have tapped him up like Real did with de Gea, but then I guess Madrid didn't tell him he was off until the day so it would have taken some convincing.
There were reports on the day that it took time to convince him and agree a contract, we should have tapped him up like Real did with de Gea, but then I guess Madrid didn't tell him he was off until the day so it would have taken some convincing.
Yea thats it.Madrid could have uploaded what they could onto TMS without any input from United. In Sid Lowes podcast he mentions the TMS system was created so both parties could input data independent of each other and the system would marry them up.
Problem here was Madrid didn't do that for some reason. I admit the time frame was tight (they shouldn't have bid at the last min) but had they done what they could on TMS I'm sure the Spanish league and fifa would have been a bit more symathic. Madrid could have also spoken to the league and sent them an agreement in principle letter of the deal to the league once the bid had been accepted to buy more time. But if anything they showed their nativity....
This whole thing stinks of a president who screwed up and wants to blame another club while continuing to unsettle the player more. Poor form
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Well the Caf is certainly up to speed on the niceties/nuts and bolts of transfers these days. Was away for a while, and some good posts; Madrid/Perez definitely the baddies.
LFP is very strict about the deadline.It would create an exception and they can't afford that,especially if they benefit Madrid.Even Tebas,the president said 3 days ago: "there is not a De Gea subject,Madrid knows the rules".LFP don't care about TMS,of course Madrid could have uploaded the documents some hours before but both transfer were related.If the situation was the opposite you would be blaming Madrid for sending the documents 2 minutes before the deadline instead talking about the TMS,a system that I doubt any of us know 100% how works.Anyway I guess that United fans can be happy either way.If it was United fault is good because you annoyed Madrid and in the other version Madrid is a clumsy club
Maybe don't delay the transfer to the last moment in the first place of you actually want the player?
Madrid should have paid up a long time ago instead of trying to low-ball United.
Transfers get completed at the (literally) last minute via TMS all the time, the idea is that we upload our docs and you upload yours, and they're matched (hence the name) and finalised.
Saying 'oh you left it til 2 minutes before the deadline how are we mean to be be able to do our bit' is nonsense, you don't wait for the other side to upload before sorting yours.
Saying 'oh you left it til 2 minutes before the deadline how are we mean to be be able to do our bit' is nonsense, you don't wait for the other side to upload before sorting yours.
Fair enough.
Problem is both deals were dependant of eachother and the DDG deal couldn't be finalised until Navas' deal was sorted, so there was no point.
Or something.
You say LFP don't care about TMS as though they are somehow independent of that process; they access the relevant documents from that same system.LFP is very strict about the deadline.It would create an exception and they can't afford that,especially if they benefit Madrid.Even Tebas,the president said 3 days ago: "there is not a De Gea subject,Madrid knows the rules".LFP don't care about TMS,of course Madrid could have uploaded the documents some hours before but both transfer were related.If the situation was the opposite you would be blaming Madrid for sending the documents 2 minutes before the deadline instead talking about the TMS,a system that I doubt any of us know 100% how works.Anyway I guess that United fans can be happy either way.If it was United fault is good because you annoyed Madrid and in the other version Madrid is a clumsy club
If Madrid has also uploaded their documents at 22:58 (like they were meant to) the LFP would be aware via TMS that the transfer was complete and that would have been that.
There's people talking as though the TMS process is one thing and that Madrid would have then separately have had to fax LFP or something, which isn't how it works.
Good post. Ignore the cnuts I say.
You are wrong we had still 19h to sort out Navas deal. The deal with Navas had to be sorted only in principle to make sure that he wouldn't have some stupid wishes about the salary, bonuses etc.
In that case then maybe Madrid didn't want the transfer and was all a performance,although a bit masochistic
Rumour on Football Weekly that Madrid simply didn't have the money - not sure if I believe that
Sid Lowe did point out that their big purchases of late have been funded by big sales too
Sid Lowe did point out that their big purchases of late have been funded by big sales too
This is possible. But it doesn't explain the need to put out public statements/justifications/mud slinging.
feck knows what the motivation was, but there's no doubt that it not happening came down to Madrid.
It wasn't a big fee when you factor in Navas, though.
There was also speculation that the fans reactions to selling Navas had something to do with it, not sure I buy that though.
In my opinion Mendez pressed Perez to make a move and Real did but they changed their mind during negotations for some reason and did everything that a transfer will not go through.
me either to be honest.....would be lovely to see a cash sticken Madrid for a few years though.....Perez stands for next election and promises the fans he will capture the signature of Lazar Markovic
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