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Man Utd 2:1 Brighton

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Not at all to blame for their goal.

Is weak on set-pieces.

If he's our new #1 then he better be okay with the pressure and scrutiny, as it only increases from here.
 

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Looked pretty assured besides that one dropped ball. Brighton put alot of pressure on him today.
 

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Is it just me or anytime there's a cross from a set piece he takes a half step forward just to backtrack right after? This has put him out of position a couple of times
 
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Definitely not at fault for the goal, but I still think his height will always put a hard cap on how good he can be - along with a few other things.

I just see him as a slightly worse Pickford... who has his own issues.
 

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Thought he was fine for the most part, but I don't like his tendency to parry the ball into danger.
 

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Definitely not at fault for the goal, but I still think his height will always put a hard cap on how good he can be - along with a few other things.

I just see him as a slightly worse Pickford... who has his own issues.
He's taller than Barthez, I'd be delighted if he could reach his level. I wouldn't go as far as hard cap, height is an advantage but lack of it just means your reflexes have to be a bit better than them.
 

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Definitely not at fault for the goal, but I still think his height will always put a hard cap on how good he can be - along with a few other things.

I just see him as a slightly worse Pickford... who has his own issues.
He's as tall or taller than Zoff, Banks, Shilton, Yashin, Kahn, Casillas...

I'm not sold on him at all, but I don't think his "hard cap" being only as good as those guys would be a stick I'd beat him with. :lol:
 

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Definitely not at fault for the goal, but I still think his height will always put a hard cap on how good he can be - along with a few other things.

I just see him as a slightly worse Pickford... who has his own issues.
Be honest though. Would you even bring Pickford into it if it wasn’t for his nationality. It’s clear he’s a class above Pickford but also he’s an entirely different player. Bit of a lazy cliche.
 

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No one going to talk about how brilliant that initial save was for their goal. Was peak de Gea eske and it was unlucky that Welbeck had it come back to him.
 

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Fantastic initial save for Welbecks goal. Bit of an error dropping the ball on that corner though.
 

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Run of the mill goalkeeper, a commanding goalkeeper is what this team needs and neither De Gea or Hendo are it, they are not terrible but they are not great either.Meh.
 

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Be honest though. Would you even bring Pickford into it if it wasn’t for his nationality. It’s clear he’s a class above Pickford but also he’s an entirely different player. Bit of a lazy cliche.
Class above Pickford? :lol: . And not just that, it is clear (as a day)? Overrating some of our players is better and better every day.

Now i know how i sounded ridiculous when i claimed that Tony is best no9 in league after Kane and Rash is best lw in PL.
And part of me still believe in that:D
 
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He's taller than Barthez, I'd be delighted if he could reach his level. I wouldn't go as far as hard cap, height is an advantage but lack of it just means your reflexes have to be a bit better than them.
He's as tall or taller than Zoff, Banks, Shilton, Yashin, Kahn, Casillas...

I'm not sold on him at all, but I don't think his "hard cap" being only as good as those guys would be a stick I'd beat him with. :lol:
All of those keepers had absolute standout attributes - usually athleticism or reflexes (Barthez, Casillas) - that more than compensated for their lack of height. Even then, Barthez was still frequently criticised for his lack of presence and ability to deal with crosses. I imagine Casillas would have been the same in England.

I haven't seen enough of the older keepers to make any sort of reasonable post about them.

Be honest though. Would you even bring Pickford into it if it wasn’t for his nationality. It’s clear he’s a class above Pickford but also he’s an entirely different player. Bit of a lazy cliche.
Yeah. I really do think they're extremely similar...ridiculously so, actually.

Both are undersized (Henderson's listed as 6'2, but he's not...Phil Jones was listed at 5'11 for a decade. Any picture of Henderson beside Pickford shows them as very similar)

Both are in that middle ground between goal-line keeper and sweeper keeper (Henderson's 12th, Pickford 14th on the main sweeper keeper metric)

Both are pretty average at dealing with crosses (Pickford 9th in crosses stopped %, Henderson 12th) and both have been visibly targeted by teams on corners.

Neither are particularly good passers (Pickford 15th on short and medium pass accuracy combined, Henderson 18th).

Neither are particularly reliable shotstoppers (Henderson 14th, Pickford 15th on Expected Goals - Goals Allowed, which seems to be the most used metric)

I actually think it'd be hard to find two keepers more similar, regardeless of nationality. I'd be interested to hear what you think makes them entirely different, because it's something I've thought for a while just from watching them - and stats seem to back it up too.

Edit -

One pretty big difference I just saw

1v1 save percentage - Pickford is 5th in the league, Henderson 18th.
 

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He's definitely going to face a certain degree of immediate scepticism as (regardless of how good he ultimately turns out to be) the reality is that there's no way in hell we'd have actually bought him to be our #1 based on what he's shown in his career so far. One good season in the PL with Sheffield United isn't much for people to go on and you could end up signing a lot of (by our standards) dud keepers based on one good PL season.

So by dint of already being on our books he's had to show a lot less to claim the jersey than most goalkeepers would normally have to. Even with a kid like De Gea who hadn't done much when we signed him, there needed to be an extremely high degree of natural talent to justify him being brought in as #1, whereas the bar is (naturally) a lot lower for someone you already own to get a chance.

One thing he's got in his favour is that being English and a touted future #1 for the national team will typically see him get an easier time from the press. But he's really going to be under a lot of scrutiny from United fans going forward I think, particularly online. Especially so if De Gea leaves and Henderson no longer gets framed as being the solution to DDG's evident weaknesses but rather as a flawed goalkeeper in his own right.
 

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Maybe, maybe not. He’ll never hit the heights De Gea did though.
It's a shame we can't all live in the past then everyone would be happy with our keeper. Donnaramma can have Dave' wages and no1 status for me.

Henderson is a good keeper, not sure he has that x factor that leads to him becoming exceptional. Kovar is the best youth keeper I've ever seen at United, shame his loan went to shite after a promising start, Henderson was probably on par with Sam Johnstone, who is performing very well in the Premier league.
 

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It's a shame we can't all live in the past then everyone would be happy with our keeper. Donnaramma can have Dave' wages and no1 status for me.

Henderson is a good keeper, not sure he has that x factor that leads to him becoming exceptional. Kovar is the best youth keeper I've ever seen at United, shame his loan went to shite after a promising start, Henderson was probably on par with Sam Johnstone, who is performing very well in the Premier league.
Living in the past or not, we need a keeper better than Henderson and the current version of De Gea more in line with what De Gea was.
 

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I think there are some unrealistic expectations from him having his first season with us (and that to being less than half a season in goal)

If we scrutinize every single bit of play (which happens more so now than in the days of Peter Schmeichel and even VDS) we will see every mistake even if not costly (whereas for nostalgia reasons we will forget or erase from memory mistakes by our past keepers that didn't lead to goals or shots for opposition)

IMO Henderson deserves a year in goal for us. He will improve the more he plays with our defence and he's not dropping clangers like some will say. We've kept a good number of clean sheets with him in goal (including vs city and Milan, both games we won)

Living in the past or not, we need a keeper better than Henderson and the current version of De Gea more in line with what De Gea was.
We need a keeper more in line to what vds was with the way we play
 

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Didn't see anything I haven't seen before. Definitely nerves on that drop. Hope he doesn't start punching because of it. He has shown good handling when catching crosses like that before.

I want him to start the Granada game as well, but that is pretty unlikely seeing that De Gea has to play at some point.
 

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Living in the past or not, we need a keeper better than Henderson and the current version of De Gea more in line with what De Gea was.
I still have no idea what you are basing that on. Seems to me you’ve made your mind up and don’t really want to open up to the possibility Hendo could be a good keeper. Personally I’d say I still haven’t seen enough, but the defence has looked much more solid than with De Gea in who has become abit of a liability.
 

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Is it just me or anytime there's a cross from a set piece he takes a half step forward just to backtrack right after? This has put him out of position a couple of times
Trying to get into a position to claim it or make the punch.
 

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One thing I like about him over De Gea is that he actually catches crosses, where as De Gea just punches. You’re the only player on the pitch that can handle the ball. Use them wisely I say
 

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I love the myth how Hendo is "commanding" his area. Against Brighton he was stuck on line on every cross. Two times when he went on the ball, he made a mess of it.
 

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I still have no idea what you are basing that on. Seems to me you’ve made your mind up and don’t really want to open up to the possibility Hendo could be a good keeper. Personally I’d say I still haven’t seen enough, but the defence has looked much more solid than with De Gea in who has become abit of a liability.
Has it though? It didn’t look too solid against Leicester the other week. It’s easier to look solid against Europa League teams.
 

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I love the myth how Hendo is "commanding" his area. Against Brighton he was stuck on line on every cross. Two times when he went on the ball, he made a mess of it.
Yeh, except its not. And its backed up by the figures. Thread here:

 

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Yeh, except its not. And its backed up by the figures. Thread here:

True but it's also worth nothing that the stats from the same guy also don't contradict what our eye-test has told us so far, which is that Henderson is far from commanding on set-pieces. For example, last year he performed as poorly or worse on corners than De Gea:



He's certainly good at claiming crosses from open play but I really wouldn't describe him as a commanding player generally. He certainly doesn't solve any problems at set-pieces anyway.
 

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True but it's also worth nothing that the stats from the same guy also don't contradict what our eye-test has told us so far, which is that Henderson is far from commanding on set-pieces. For example, last year he performed as poorly or worse on corners than De Gea:



He's certainly good at claiming crosses from open play but I really wouldn't describe him as a commanding player generally. He certainly doesn't solve any problems at set-pieces anyway.
What it says essentially is that Ederson is the best GK... It doesn’t sound good to be frank
 
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