RonaldoVII
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He wasn't fit for yesterday's game. I think he'd have started otherwise but we'll never know and it's not Ralf's fault that he wasn't available.
Henderson wasn't even a patch on Romero and it worked fine with him. Even good enough to win the Europa. No way would any manager do that with Henderson. A team like United has to have a clear #1. You can't have the #2 constantly bitching about the lack of playing time. He either puts up with it or goes. Imagine being the #3??It is for us
Two first choice keepers, yes please, only thing we have going for us
And screw helping Newcastle
I think this is my pointHenderson wasn't even a patch on Romero and it worked fine with him. Even good enough to win the Europa. No way would any manager do that with Henderson. A team like United has to have a clear #1. You can't have the #2 constantly bitching about the lack of playing time. He either puts up with it or goes. Imagine being the #3??
We rarely let anyone go, Ed is a hoarder of players.Just sell the bloke, whats the point in keeping him around?
I feel you could say this in about 10 different player threads at the moment...
He asked for an out 2 weeks back, not in summerIf he wants to leave let him go, there's 0 benefit to keeping him around. Why do we hoard players? Any player who wants to go for any reason should be allowed to leave. 2 appearances this season, why wouldn't we sell him last summer when we could've gotten a fee for him? Our club really is monumentally stupid.
I know he didn't ask to leave in summer, he should've been sold, we even brought in another keeper so it's not like we would've missed him. Solskjaer should've known his intentions for Henderson and sold him when we were able to command a respectable fee for him. Likewise with van de Beek and Lingard.He asked for an out 2 weeks back, not in summer
He was kept last summer because until he got covid and was out he was probably going to be no.1 this season. Because of how well he did last year and how much better the team performed with him playing than with DDG.If he wants to leave let him go, there's 0 benefit to keeping him around. Why do we hoard players? Any player who wants to go for any reason should be allowed to leave. 2 appearances this season, why wouldn't we sell him last summer when we could've gotten a fee for him? Our club really is monumentally stupid.
In that case weren’t we stupid putting him on wages no club is realistically going to match? Surely by keeping the wages down you can command a much bigger fee. We do everything backwards at this club. Clearly not interested in making money selling players. Just spending money keeping unhappy ones .I know he didn't ask to leave in summer, he should've been sold, we even brought in another keeper so it's not like we would've missed him. Solskjaer should've known his intentions for Henderson and sold him when we were able to command a respectable fee for him. Likewise with van de Beek and Lingard.
We can't keep selling every backup player. It is a strange ask.I know he didn't ask to leave in summer, he should've been sold, we even brought in another keeper so it's not like we would've missed him. Solskjaer should've known his intentions for Henderson and sold him when we were able to command a respectable fee for him. Likewise with van de Beek and Lingard.
Exactly.He was kept last summer because until he got covid and was out he was probably going to be no.1 this season. Because of how well he did last year and how much better the trteam am performed with him playing than with DDG.
Unfortunately for him DDG has once again fooled most people into thinking he's a top keeper having a great season and he's been left on the sideline.
Pretty much. DDG is just not the right fit for the team going forward.Exactly.
I just can't wait for De Gea to retire or leave.
I'm just hoping our next manager has the Pep like mindset of knowing that Joe Hart wasn't good enough the same way De Gea isn't.
But in that case we wouldn't have an average keeper like Henderson in the team as well. We would still need new keepers.I'm just hoping our next manager has the Pep like mindset of knowing that Joe Hart wasn't good enough the same way De Gea isn't.
That may be - but as far as I knew Pep got rid of Joe Hart because he doesn't have the capability to be as all rounded and good with his feet as Ederson is.But in that case we wouldn't have an average keeper like Henderson in the team as well. We would still need new keepers.
Wait. DDG has fooled people? How has he managed that? By just playing well?He was kept last summer because until he got covid and was out he was probably going to be no.1 this season. Because of how well he did last year and how much better the team performed with him playing than with DDG.
Unfortunately for him DDG has once again fooled most people into thinking he's a top keeper having a great season and he's been left on the sideline.
I hate when players have multiple good seasons, and people think they're good as a result. Bloody fraudsters.Wait. DDG has fooled people? How has he managed that? By just playing well?
Strange comment painting De Gea as Harry Houdini
Not really, he's made some decent saves but his overall goalkeeping performances still leave a lot to be desired.Wait. DDG has fooled people? How has he managed that? By just playing well?
Strange comment painting De Gea as Harry Houdini
Because he isn't playing particularly well, he's doing what he has always done which is occasionally make genuinely excellent saves, make a large number of regular saves you would expect any PL goalkeeper to make (such as from Matty Cash last night) which bizarrely wows people and causing the defence constant problems by offering them no help whatsoever with crosses into the box or with sweeping behind them.Wait. DDG has fooled people? How has he managed that? By just playing well?
Strange comment painting De Gea as Harry Houdini
Apparently, playing well is not enough. You need "modern" abilities.Wait. DDG has fooled people? How has he managed that? By just playing well?
Strange comment painting De Gea as Harry Houdini
"Modern abilities" that were present in Schmeichel and VDS several years ago. They're not modern abilities at all, they're basic fundamental parts of goalkeeping and have been for years & years.Apparently, playing well is not enough. You need "modern" abilities.
With our back line, I am not so sure what will happen if our keeper shoots off from his line to "quell the danger" in advance. Is there some stat on how advantageous it is? I am of the belief that if the forward is of good quality, then they may easily be able to confuse/round off the keepr and score an easy goal. But I maybe wrong.
Not really, he's made some decent saves but his overall goalkeeping performances still leave a lot to be desired.
He's a relic in goalkeeping terms, his camera saves have blinded a lot of people to that.
He needs moving on if this team is going to progress to a higher pressing more proactive game. It's the same reasons he doesn't play for Spain anymore.
I think most people with two eyes recognise that De Gea is the least of our problems at the moment.Because he isn't playing particularly well, he's doing what he has always done which is occasionally make genuinely excellent saves, make a large number of regular saves you would expect any PL goalkeeper to make (such as from Matty Cash last night) which bizarrely wows people and causing the defence constant problems by offering them no help whatsoever with crosses into the box or with sweeping behind them.
He won our player of the month for November for example, despite being badly at fault for both goals at Atalanta, one of the goals against City and at least two against Watford.
No other top side would play him. We've just played Wolves and Aston Villa in our last two games, both bang average mid tables sides, neither of them would swap their goalkeepers for him yet we've got people trying to make out he's having a great season. It would be comical if it wasn't so infuriating watching him every game.
He may be the least of our problems at the moment, but remains a problem nonetheless.I think most people with two eyes recognise that De Gea is the least of our problems at the moment.
Agree with this 100%, and have said so for the entire time De Gea has been here (for most of which our defence has been a complete shambles with De Gea as the common denominator).Because he isn't playing particularly well, he's doing what he has always done which is occasionally make genuinely excellent saves, make a large number of regular saves you would expect any PL goalkeeper to make (such as from Matty Cash last night) which bizarrely wows people and causing the defence constant problems by offering them no help whatsoever with crosses into the box or with sweeping behind them.
He won our player of the month for November for example, despite being badly at fault for both goals at Atalanta, one of the goals against City and at least two against Watford.
No other top side would play him. We've just played Wolves and Aston Villa in our last two games, both bang average mid tables sides, neither of them would swap their goalkeepers for him yet we've got people trying to make out he's having a great season. It would be comical if it wasn't so infuriating watching him every game.
We seen it last year when Henderson got a run in the team and the answer is:Apparently, playing well is not enough. You need "modern" abilities.
With our back line, I am not so sure what will happen if our keeper shoots off from his line to "quell the danger" in advance. Is there some stat on how advantageous it is? I am of the belief that if the forward is of good quality, then they may easily be able to confuse/round off the keepr and score an easy goal. But I maybe wrong.
it's not that complicated though is it?He may be the least of our problems at the moment, but remains a problem nonetheless.
A problem to which we have to find a solution sooner or later, the sooner the better.
Only if those people just don't understand that a goalkeeper has to do a lot more other than make a few saves.I think most people with two eyes recognise that De Gea is the least of our problems at the moment.
But ultimately he is still a problem. And the big issue with him is that he's a problem that exacerbates our defensive issues because there is zero relationship between him and the defenders. Last night was case in point for that.I think most people with two eyes recognise that De Gea is the least of our problems at the moment.
You are absolutely correct on point one. I don't think anyone on here is claiming that Henderson is definitely the answer long-term for us, nobody knows if he is. What is clear is that De Gea unfortunately is not due to the flaws in his game you have highlighted and the stats show that the team is better suited to a different style of goalkeeper.There are two slightly separate issues.
One is De Gea and his weaknesses. The reality is that his inability to snuff out chances through claiming/sweeping puts him in a position where he has to do more shot-stopping relative to other goalkeepers. The impact of those extra chances he concedes relative to other goalkeepers weighs significantly against the impact of his excellent shot-stopping relative to other goalkeepers. But because people see a goal prevented with a save far more easily the goals prevented by killing chances before they develop, people tend to place more weight on the former rather than the latter. All those question marks against De Gea are fine and fairly common sense even without delving into statistical analysis.
But the other question is whether Dean Henderson, who at nearly 25 years old has just one and a half seasons of PL experience under his belt, is the guy to supplant a David De Gea in top shot-stopping form as United #1. Because De Gea has been excelling to such an extent in shot-stopping this season that he is very much still a net positive even with his downsides, albeit in a way that is less sustainable than simply being a more rounded keeper would be. And Henderson clearly still has a lot to prove. Had he not already been on the books here while De Gea was in bad form then nobody would have been calling for the Sheffield United goalkeeper who was good for one season to be brought in. He got lucky to get the chance he did and ultimately he didn't do enough to take the jersey, albeit having been unlucky with the timing of his bout of Covid.
Yes. I think this solution should work. Maybe this is what the club is going to do.it's not that complicated though is it?
Dean is on a six year contract until 2026. DDG has turned his form around and possibly rightly the no. 1, whilst Dean is too good to be a number 2 on the bench.
DDG contract runs out in 2023, on £375k p/w, whilst Dean is on £120k p/w until 2026
Simply send Dean out on loan again and see how he does.
If he does well, DDG form drops - then DDG goes on a free and we have Dean (on top of a number of prospects in the reserves and youth). DDG does maintains his standard, we let DDG leave on a free as he won't drop his salary from £375k p/w to £120k p/w and Dean takes over unless he's been truly shite at his loan deal
Thing is he was promissed a chance to fight it out with DDG. DDG cemented his spot while Henderson sick. After that Henderson wasn't even given a sniff at the the No. 1 spot. That's not how you let your player fight it out for their spots. Henderson is a very ambitious lad. So he wants to leave so he can preserve his career.How does it compare with other teams, say Chelsea or Liverpool. Mendy and Allison pretty much played all season I think, at least all major games. And if I remember correctly Henderson was ill at start of season, paving way for De Gea cementing the spot.
I would certainly agree that he performed better statistically than De Gea last season. And going into this season I would have picked Henderson as first choice, despite my affection for De Gea.But ultimately he is still a problem. And the big issue with him is that he's a problem that exacerbates our defensive issues because there is zero relationship between him and the defenders. Last night was case in point for that.
You are absolutely correct on point one. I don't think anyone on here is claiming that Henderson is definitely the answer long-term for us, nobody knows if he is. What is clear is that De Gea unfortunately is not due to the flaws in his game you have highlighted and the stats show that the team is better suited to a different style of goalkeeper.
However I don't agree with you saying he didn't do enough to keep the shirt. As has been repeated multiple times, every single performance metric improved while he was in goal. He made a couple of bad errors, admittedly which stand out in peoples memory, but so did De Gea last season (and this season as well). It was pretty universally reported that Henderson was going to begin the season as number one so the manager clearly thought he did enough with his chance as well. And in the interests of fairness, he'd had three exceptional seasons out on loan by the way, not just one.
Wow.He's done here now. Walked out on Monday after being told he wouldnt be starting against Villa in the cup. That's why he wasnt in the squad,
Source?He's done here now. Walked out on Monday after being told he wouldnt be starting against Villa in the cup. That's why he wasnt in the squad,