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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Watching. Leaving Utd is good for players. Staying at Utd...not so good.
You couldn't make it up.
Actually, you probably could. Everything that possibly could go wrong seems to with United. Expecting a worldie of a season from this lad. Not even because he's great. But just because it is cosmically ordained.
Actually, you probably could. Everything that possibly could go wrong seems to with United. Expecting a worldie of a season from this lad. Not even because he's great. But just because it is cosmically ordained.
Guy was right, he knew Ten Hag would keep him here, but leave him on the bench where he'd have to watch the clown embarrass himself time after time with no repurcissions.
He’s been excellent today. Unsurprisingly.
My number 1, said it since he returned from Sheffield.
Only needed game time. He would learn and improve. We had a Dave replacement ready, and still fecked it up
Only needed game time. He would learn and improve. We had a Dave replacement ready, and still fecked it up
Hopefully he does well there so we can get some money for him next summer.
Ironically, if he had stayed he could have been in line for a call up to the first team.
Hopefully adds a few million onto his transfer fee
Always rated him
Quick everyone let's overreact based off of one game!
He's heard that promise before and had it broken, don't blame him for being ambitious. I wish Phil Jones and some of the other dossers we have here were the same.
People like you are watching the football you deserve, such apathy.
He was just mad at United for keeping him here last season and not giving him a lot of games. Ten Hag was not even here then. Ten Hag may well have given him a chance now if he'd stayed.
Command a big fee for him in the summer and sign a ‘keeper to replace De Gea. Simple
Sure served me.If you want a keeper who is also shite with his feet, look no further than Henderson.
Tbf if he'd been promised games and then barely had any I can understand him being unhappy and not being prepared to risk the same thing happening again.
Remember when everyone was laughing at him last week? He'll prove this season he's too good to be sat on our bench
Exactly
Agreed, Henderson has big flaws as a modern keeper.
But he's demonstrably better than De Gea, and demonstrably better at most of the other aspects of being a keeper that make De Gea impossible to build around.
At the very least Henderson was serviceable until next season when he could have been upgraded upon. De Gea isn't and we'll suffer for it.
Oh yeah I get that and I would probably have done the same if I were Henderson but don't blame Ten Hag for something he didn't do.
I don't like Henderson as a keeper but I think the message it would send would've been more beneficial than any quality one or the other have if we got rid of De Gea. Hard with his contract though.
He’s miles better than De Gea and the defence looked so much better with him in net. Another Utd mistake…
It's not one game though, is it?
18/19: Henderson was better for Sheffield United (admittedly in the Championship) than De Gea was for Man Utd
19/20: Henderson was better for Sheffield United (in the Premiership this time) than De Gea was for Man Utd
20/21: Henderson was better for Man Utd than De Gea was for Man Utd.
If anything, it's the De Gea fans who point to 'one game' here and there when Henderson (the relatively inexperienced guy) made a mistake, ignoring the constant mistakes coming from De Gea.
That penalty save fist bump was definitely a middle finger to United and his haters.
It's amazing that we allowed De Gea to recover the number 1 last season after all we saw since 2018 just because Henderson wasn't temporarily available.
When Henderson took his place we stopped leaking goals left, right and center every week and we looked far more composed defending as a unit with him as a keeper, and the staff reasonably told him he was the number one for the coming season. And as soon as he gets injured De Gea is put back there as the undisputed keeper and Henderson doesn't even have the chance to challenge him or get his place back. It's strange, even suspicious I'd say.
It doesn't justify any negative behaviour from Henderson and I think he shot himself by the way he's managed this, but he's right at feeling absolutely played here. Only in a dysfunctional club the worst player will get protected because of loyalty or status over the guy who's performing better and can still evolve and get moulded accordingly.
I don't know if Henderson could have been "the long term solution" that many seem to want here, but this is why some of us wanted to see him over a longer period and not just a pair of months. There was a logic on playing the one who offered more, showed more willingness to improve and play a more expansive game. There's no possible excuse to keep a player who's been underperforming since 2018 and doesn't show improvement in any of his weak areas.
That laziness at club level and not being ruthless at fixing problems is killing us. Clubs have a DoF and a football structure to help managers at improving the squad, spotting problems and bringing solutions. We have such a limited keeper doing nothing for years while earning ridiculous wages and everyone at the club keep acting like nothing happens here, and there were even rumours about a new extension some months ago. Lunacy is not enough to describe this club.
Yeah, that does at least give the decision to let him go on loan some sort of logic. Because we sure as shit won’t get anyone willing to sign De Gea for big money. Not with his form over the last few years and (crucially) his salary.
I the long term we definitely need a keeper who is better than DDG and better than Henderson.
The better he plays the higher fee we can get for him.
I wonder what caused us to let him go out on loan. Surely Ten Hag would have preferred more options.
Great performance from him today, glad he's proving everybody at United wrong. People mad at him for spitting facts are just salty lads with agendas.
Well said, he would've been a fool to believe any promises coming his way.
Murtough on the phone now
As per his own comments, he pushed for it and ten Hag didn’t even get a chance to evaluate him before he went.
Yep. Fortunately De Gea's contract is up next summer. Less fortunately for us is the fact that the club have the option for an additional year, which they will no doubt activate in an attempt to 'protect the asset'.
We'll do worse than that. Well extend him on an increased salary becuase he's last season's player of the season and 'one of our few world class players'.
Fortunately De Gea's contract is up next summer. Less fortunately for us is the fact that the club have the option for an additional year, which they will no doubt activate in an attempt to 'protect the asset'.
All bets are off at this point - we've already done the same thing with Bruno.
‘Good with his feet’ is such an English term.
Henderson is miles behind Alison and Ederson but he’s closer to them than DDG as a modern keeper.
It’s not a case of how good he passes 40 yards or having the ability to pass a line breaking 20 years pass. It’s his bravery. He leaves his line. He reads play across the whole final third and not just the final 6 yards.
He’s closer to what ETH needs than De Gea.
He’ll be back next year as our number 1
Exactly... I completely understand wanting something different to DDG... But Henderson definitely isn't it. He's terrible with his feet.
He played 6 short passes today... 6.
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