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The real winner of all this is Sancho; he is sure to make the England squad now.
It's pathetic is what it is. History does matterErasing history for the sake of numbers of cup won, just to meet Spurs in the end, anyway in so called elite of the elites league ? I just can't imagine it, mate.
Exactly. Any weak pro we can argue for his totally undermined by how shit it is. Somebody just decided that spurs are bigger than porto, sporting Lisbon, benfica, lyon, ajax, etc. Supporting this is like supporting Netflix vs amazon primeLiterally not one Pro.
This whole competition is utterly stupid.
No chance.One good thing that I could see coming out of this is a control on agent fees. If all of the money is in the European Super League and all of the clubs in it refuse to pay over a certain amount for agent fees (or none at all), then fat f*cks like Raiola can't play their usual game anymore.
Is that actually a pro? There are lots of great games and nights we've had at clubs like Stoke, Sunderland, Palace, West Brom, the Sheffield clubs. English football is about all of these kind of games, not just the ones against plastic City and LiverpoolPros
- will not be bother to watch cold Wednesday night football vs Stoke City anymore
Yeh it could be a con for some, it’s only a pro when one considered its better watching higher quality games in terms of entertainment value, rather than vs more variety of opponents.Is that actually a pro? There are lots of great games and nights we've had at clubs like Stoke, Sunderland, Palace, West Brom, the Sheffield clubs. English football is about all of these kind of games, not just the ones against plastic City and Liverpool
But your argument is games against those clubs are not entertaining? I could find you plenty of games against those teams that had huge entertainment value.Yeh it could be a con for some, it’s only a pro when one considered its better watching higher quality games in terms of entertainment value, rather than vs more variety of opponents.
Sure the match itself could be entertaining, but the quality itself may not be entertaining for some. Would majority prefer to pay to watch Man Utd vs City/ Real, or rather vs Stoke City?But your argument is games against those clubs are not entertaining? I could find you plenty of games against those teams that had huge entertainment value.
Like I said, matches against teams like that can be just as entertaining, so why would I not want to see them? I can point you to plenty of dud games against City and Liverpool and crackers against Everton and Newcastle. And why would I want to see United given special status and clubs like Newcastle, Everton, Villa etc not? I'm not a selfish prick.Sure the match itself could be entertaining, but the quality itself may not be entertaining for some. Would majority prefer to pay to watch Man Utd vs City/ Real, or rather vs Stoke City?
But not all of them are as entertaining as you’ve made, you never know how entertaining until you watch. Would you rather watching 2 groups of worldclass players competing against each other, or 1 groups of worldclass playing against another group of hardworking workhorse? Perhaps the later one would represent a more entertaining value for you sometimes? But I doubt majority would share the same preference.Like I said, matches against teams like that can be just as entertaining, so why would I not want to see them? I can point you to plenty of dud games against City and Liverpool and crackers against Everton and Newcastle. And why would I want to see United given special status and clubs like Newcastle, Everton, Villa etc not? I'm not a selfish prick.
Again, all you're thinking about is United. It is a selfish and spoilt point of view. If this was set-up in the 80s and Everton, Forest, Villa were all founding members and could never be relegated and United were out in the wilderness forever that would have seemed OK to you?But not all of them are as entertaining as you’ve made, you never know how entertaining until you watch. Would you rather watching 2 groups of worldclass players competing against each other, or 1 groups of worldclass playing against another group of hardworking workhorse? Perhaps the later one would represent a more entertaining value for you sometimes? But I doubt majority would share the same preference.
Sure it’s selfish view from me, as I only support Man Utd, why would I concern about future of other clubs which I never give a shit about? But if I am fans of Everton or Leicester City, I’d probably be very pissed about it.Again, all you're thinking about is United. It is a selfish and spoilt point of view. If this was set-up in the 80s and Everton, Forest, Villa were all founding members and could never be relegated and United were out in the wilderness forever that would have seemed OK to you?
Any reform that this might force is a reform in the wrong direction. The rumoured new Champions League format was already bad enough, with certain 'legacy' clubs guaranteed entry every season and apparently, that wasn't enough for the Greed Gang.Pro: This is a credible threat that can force UEFA to reform.
The infrastructure around the stadium requires an overhaul for about £800m, that includes moving train tracks, forcing homeowners out of their homes, and quite a bit of cityplanning, before the stadium can be extended.Pros
- OT may likely be extended
- Seeing the best players against each other every week will not get boring for me, for a long time
- the city of Manchester will benefit from the extra tourism and glamour that comes with having 2 teams in the super league and having European giants visit our city 4 or 5 times a month.
- the super league has the opportunity to learn from the mistakes that UEFA, FIFA and the FA have made.
- Platini and Blatter won't know what's hit them.
Cons
- champions league anthem gone along with all the goosebumps of seeing us lineup against a big European powerhouse with the whole show.
- What is the point of it unless you actually have a chance of winning it? What happens if you finish second/runner up? More money?
- clubs lower down the ranks will just feel like their ceilings are limited because they don't have the stature of the super league clubs. This will be devastating for lower league football and for kids dreaming of making it onto the biggest stage when they are older.
- transfer fees will be extortionate in correspondence with inflation as a result of this huge influx of money.
- if we have the same money as Porto, spurs or juventus or any of the clubs then 9/10 players would prefer to live in those places than Manchester. I don't see how we can have the edge in the market. Especially if salary caps come in. Sad but true. Because history and prestige has gone out the window hasn't it?
- given how insensitive the manner of this announcement has been, you can bet your ass these founding fathers just do not give a toss about the fans and for them it's simply a money making scheme.
I more meant a possible reaction at the regulatory level because the SL is such a wretched idea, not the big clubs just taking over. UEFA may accept deeper reforms now (e.g. regarding financial fair play) to avoid all out civil war in football. Government may even get involved in obliging reform. If they are ever going to change how UEFA works, something of this magnitude is needed. I agree with you though it could all go in the wrong direction in the end.Any reform that this might force is a reform in the wrong direction. The rumoured new Champions League format was already bad enough, with certain 'legacy' clubs guaranteed entry every season and apparently, that wasn't enough for the Greed Gang.
It really is just a spit in the face for the whole idea of European competition.
Here's the thing though: the only way to avoid that all-out civil war is if UEFA basically caves in and grants the biggest clubs the closed shop format they've been working towards for years now. What deeper reforms would possibly satisfy these clubs that came up with this idea?I more meant a possible reaction at the regulatory level because the SL is such a wretched idea, not the big clubs just taking over. UEFA may accept deeper reforms now (e.g. regarding financial fair play) to avoid all out civil war in football. Government may even get involved in obliging reform. If they are ever going to change how UEFA works, something of this magnitude is needed. I agree with you though it could all go in the wrong direction in the end.
Great post, agree with all your points, but unpopular opinion I've always hated the champions league anthemPros
- OT may likely be extended
- Seeing the best players against each other every week will not get boring for me, for a long time
- the city of Manchester will benefit from the extra tourism and glamour that comes with having 2 teams in the super league and having European giants visit our city 4 or 5 times a month.
- the super league has the opportunity to learn from the mistakes that UEFA, FIFA and the FA have made.
- Platini and Blatter won't know what's hit them.
Cons
- champions league anthem gone along with all the goosebumps of seeing us lineup against a big European powerhouse with the whole show.
- What is the point of it unless you actually have a chance of winning it? What happens if you finish second/runner up? More money?
- clubs lower down the ranks will just feel like their ceilings are limited because they don't have the stature of the super league clubs. This will be devastating for lower league football and for kids dreaming of making it onto the biggest stage when they are older.
- transfer fees will be extortionate in correspondence with inflation as a result of this huge influx of money.
- if we have the same money as Porto, spurs or juventus or any of the clubs then 9/10 players would prefer to live in those places than Manchester. I don't see how we can have the edge in the market. Especially if salary caps come in. Sad but true. Because history and prestige has gone out the window hasn't it?
- given how insensitive the manner of this announcement has been, you can bet your ass these founding fathers just do not give a toss about the fans and for them it's simply a money making scheme.
I don't think that will happen that regularly, just because the odd game would bring in money, but you have to remember all these clubs have massive stadiums which bring in a massive revenue, plus i would negate home and away value. So i suspect it wouldnt happen that often.When these Superleague games are being played in Dubai, Singapore, Miami etc. and the local fans of the club and being priced out of it will those in favour still be happy?
This sums up my feelings. Honestly I would have no respect for any of the teams in the super league and basically its immoral imo.pros...
- see bigger teams play regularly (also a con),
- more money for our club if we are selfish
cons... very very many, but main ones for me
- strips away nearly all competitiveness from the prem by meaning first only matters and adding so many mid week games that clubs will start resting players.
- Takes away financial benefits to being competitive, which means owners like the glazers will stop investing in players.... people say united will have more money, but players will be more expensive, like when they started the bike to work scheme in dublin for up to 1000 and all bikes that previously cost 500 now cost 1000
- makes it impossible for new clubs to break into the frame, whether through investment ala city or hard work ala leicester
- Probably signals end for domestic competition for these teams, just depends how long it takes, but the SL will want the weekend prime time and the league will become so meaningless.
Yeah playing Liverpool every season has lost it’s charm, same for the derby or games vs. Chelsea.Playing top European clubs every year will be boring and eventually it'll lose it's charm.