Giggsyking
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the exact definition of mediocre player.
Reminds me of the likes of Jack Rodwell. Hyped young player who looks good in a mid table team - and because he’s young it’s assumed he must have the potential to keep getting better and better.the exact definition of mediocre player.
Yeah, he played well apart from one lazy pass.Thought he did alright but was punished for that one hospital pass.
88 touches
74 passes
92% pass completion
5/6 long passes
2 tackles
3 interceptions
4 clearances
1 blocked shot
0 dispossessions against
1 unsuccessful touch
You could say the same for few hundred other players. So what?He’d be our 2nd best midfielder if he joined us tomorrow and he still has plenty of room to grow and develop.
Well that’s hyperbole in the extreme. There aren’t a few hundred other players that would instantly be our second best midfielder. There is a very limited pool. Which is why talent acquisition is so costly and difficult.You could say the same for few hundred other players. So what?
I don't think anyone here would say no to Kane, Sterling, and Sancho because they picked England.That definitely seems to have been the tipping point for some folk. It's almost like there's a correlation.
Who is our second best midfielder? McTom?Well that’s hyperbole in the extreme. There aren’t a few hundred other players that would instantly be our second best midfielder. There is a very limited pool. Which is why talent acquisition is so costly and difficult.
None of those players really 'picked' England though, their national allegiance was never in question.I don't think anyone here would say no to Kane, Sterling, and Sancho because they picked England.
Maybe try to look for other correlation?
You'd be told to do one unless you come in once his legs are gone like you did with Matic.It's too much of a gamble to lay out 80/90m in (reported) transfer fees and wages on Rice from what I've seen so far. The English/Utd tax is pushing up his price by at least 50/60%. Offer 100m for Kante instead and test the Chelsea's owners resolve.
the exact definition of mediocre player.
This!Reminds me of the likes of Jack Rodwell. Hyped young player who looks good in a mid table team - and because he’s young it’s assumed he must have the potential to keep getting better and better.
I agree. Diop and Rice might make a good CB pairing.Maybe he should play in defence.
Yes McTominay. And of course the pool is limited. To buy a better player is likely to cost 50-70m, unless you unearth a gem. The market dynamics are exactly the way they are because the talent pool at the top end is extremely limited.Who is our second best midfielder? McTom?
I wouldn’t say the pool of midfielders better than him at the moment is limited.
Rice is shite though, not having him at all
Thank you. Waste of money. McT is similar. The Caf is so toxic.I saw some link to a possible 'united £90m Declan Rice bid...' somewhere recently.
Are we serious? For what?
He is no more than a McTominay.
Even that is overegging it. He sacrifices his position a lot to try and win the ball. He is brave but top level players will expose his willingness to commit himself, then exploit the gaps he leaves when he puts his body on the line.Used as a defensive midfielder whose only job is to break down the opponents attack - he will be great.
Used as a midfielder expected to support the attack - he will not be great.
Exactly. Pretty competent as a pure destroyer, though not special. I'd like to think we need more than that. I wonder if we're truly scouting Florentino Luis? And I'm still not sure why Sander Berge doesn't get a look in. Rice would cost silly money for too limited a skill set.Used as a defensive midfielder whose only job is to break down the opponents attack - he will be great.
Used as a midfielder expected to support the attack - he will not be great.
Even that is overegging it. He sacrifices his position a lot to try and win the ball. He is brave but top level players will expose his willingness to commit himself, then exploit the gaps he leaves when he puts his body on the line.
The Kosovan midfield did not have too much difficulty advancing into our final third last night. Okay, the low block worked fairly well at that point and gave us a platform to counter. However, we still conceded three goals last night.
If we gave that much territorial advantage to France or Germany or Spain would we have got away with it...?
Maybe Rice will prove me wrong but I do not see him becoming an elite level defensive midfielder.
Southgate's not gonna bench him anytime soon after begging him to quit a team where he would have been the first name on the teamsheet.
He'll be a useful hard working ball winner in tight games against elite opposition who will dominate possession.
Harry Winks and Longstaff might be ahead of him in the England team a year from now.
Mctominay is better playing box to box, as he has a good engine and is pretty decent on the ball. Rice is purely a DM.I saw some link to a possible 'united £90m Declan Rice bid...' somewhere recently.
Are we serious? For what?
He is no more than a McTominay.
You heard an ex pro Noel Whelan give his opinion on Rice and he said possibly 90 million. If Noel Whelan is setting the prices for players these days then we are in trouble.He's a commentator on bbc radio leeds. He casually said ""We have just seen Harry Maguire go for £80million and I wouldn’t be surprised if Rice goes for more than that, above £90m, even." Small time pundit trying to make a name for himself.I saw some link to a possible 'united £90m Declan Rice bid...' somewhere recently.
Are we serious? For what?
He is no more than a McTominay.
Aww.. now i get it. Worth about half that quoted 90m, but i’m sure glad if we get him.None of those players really 'picked' England though, their national allegiance was never in question.
Not sure what you're on about but you do realise that the story came from Noel Whelan plucking a figure out of his arse and a gutter rag fabricating a story out of it?Aww.. now i get it. Worth about half that quoted 90m, but i’m sure glad if we get him.
AWB was sold 50m plus adds on this season. I’m pretty sure Rice would cost more.Not sure what you're on about but you do realise that the story came from Noel Whelan plucking a figure out of his arse and a gutter rag fabricating a story out of it?
There's nothing to suggest that we are even interested though. He'd be worth no more than AWB at this point.AWB was sold 50m plus adds on this season. I’m pretty sure Rice would cost more.
We are never paying 90m for a Dm who can't play it out. Don't worry about that.The English market is just fecked, 90m for Rice? You could likely get a young DM similar ability or better for a fraction of that.
Doesn't that just make him... a defender? I don't know any top team who's DM couldn't support the attack, even if their main attribute was breaking up the play. Makelele and Kante can both carry the ball far better than Rice.Used as a defensive midfielder whose only job is to break down the opponents attack - he will be great.
Used as a midfielder expected to support the attack - he will not be great.
Not hyperbole. The top 5 leagues in Europe alone have 97 teams. Squads have about 6 midfielders per side. Nearly 600 players. According to WhoScored Rice is 3th best midfielder at WHU with Lanzini and Noble ahead of him. I'm certain I can find 200 other midfielders in the world better than Rice.Well that’s hyperbole in the extreme. There aren’t a few hundred other players that would instantly be our second best midfielder. There is a very limited pool. Which is why talent acquisition is so costly and difficult.
Agree with your general point but there's no way that he's worse than Noble.Not hyperbole. The top 5 leagues in Europe alone have 97 teams. Squads have about 6 midfielders per side. Nearly 600 players. According to WhoScored Rice is 3th best midfielder at WHU with Lanzini and Noble ahead of him. I'm certain I can find 200 other midfielders in the world better than Rice.
Whoscored ratings heavily favour attacking qualities so a guy with Rice’s attributes generally don’t score highly.Not hyperbole. The top 5 leagues in Europe alone have 97 teams. Squads have about 6 midfielders per side. Nearly 600 players. According to WhoScored Rice is 3th best midfielder at WHU with Lanzini and Noble ahead of him. I'm certain I can find 200 other midfielders in the world better than Rice.
Go on then.Not hyperbole. The top 5 leagues in Europe alone have 97 teams. Squads have about 6 midfielders per side. Nearly 600 players. According to WhoScored Rice is 3th best midfielder at WHU with Lanzini and Noble ahead of him. I'm certain I can find 200 other midfielders in the world better than Rice.