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Fred scored against bums like this every week, but as soon as Rice does it he's the worlds best midfielder
How many times has Rice played against that type of opposition, though? West Ham have only just been in the Europa this season. Prior to that, most of his good performances have come for West Ham in the EPL or for England.Because it's relevant when people run to this page to affirm their view, after a game against a proper shite team.
I'm not hugely enamoured with him, especially not at the price, but I can see his obvious qualities. I just wouldn't be holding up a game against a team as bad as that as proof of his qualities.
Again, I'm fine with people showing those performances as why he's worth it. You just get posts like above going ridiculously overboard, even though they're playing against a pile of shite.How many times has Rice played against that type of opposition, though? West Ham have only just been in the Europa this season. Prior to that, most of his good performances have come for West Ham in the EPL.
How is he the darling when most people seem to rate him and don't want him? The people praising him are in the minority and have been for ages.Darling of the season for Redcafe, just like Sancho for the past 2 season.
a few people rate him = redcafe darling ?Darling of the season for Redcafe, just like Sancho for the past 2 season.
I mean, you've been all over Rice threads, and most likely you know the reason. People mostly don't want him at 100m or near that. But (if) at 30m, all in here will be in favor.How is he the darling when most people seem to rate him and don't want him? The people praising him are in the minority and have been for ages.
30m barely gets you 0.6 of a Fred or 1.5 Dalots, don't be ridiculous. By our own standards Rice is worth 150m poundsI mean, you've been all over Rice threads, and most likely you know the reason. People mostly don't want him at 100m or near that. But (if) at 30m, all in here will be in favor.
?? Nothing wrong with my statement. I said, at 30m, all in here will be in favor. Don't you think so?30m barely gets you 0.6 of a Fred or 1.5 Dalots, don't be ridiculous. By our own standards Rice is worth 150m pounds
Rio- Wasn't born and raised in Leeds so zero affiliation to themI would take Kalvin Philips over him, he's more of what we need. Don't think the Leeds rivalry will matter here, we bought Rio, took Alan Smith on a free and sold them Dan James so it's not beyond possible as some say. He'd be perfect sitting deep and protecting the back four.
Yes I agree, I was just trying to spin it and point out how absurd numbers are in reality. Our club as a fact have been overpaying constantly and Rice for 50-60m would be a good price considering what we have paid for worse. In reality we would all want to get him for 25m pounds, but West Ham are no morons, they know what we have paid for worse and will want their money. They might settle for less from another club of course.?? Nothing wrong with my statement. I said, at 30m, all in here will be in favor. Don't you think so?
I don't think all will be in favor at 50-60m price. Although i think this is a fair price, some might disagreed.
Ok forget his price tag. Are you telling me we can’t find anyone in this world that can do what he does or even better?This is the problem. People like you are blinded by his price tag. Come away from that a bit if you can, and judge him based on the way he plays. If so, I find it hard to believe you don't think he's a good player.
See that’s the problem, the overhyping. Now he’s going to be a 10+ goals scorer and he will be England caption in 3 years time. It’s crazyThis
He is already a superb player and he is adding goals to his game as a CDM. He will be a 10+ goals a season player, and has at least 10 years ahead of him. What value do you put on this potential?
Oh, and he will be England captain in 3 years time.
This is what many never take into account, the premium that's added on when we come in. It happens to all the richest clubs and these days the smaller clubs don't need to sell like they used to either.Yes I agree, I was just trying to spin it and point out how absurd numbers are in reality. Our club as a fact have been overpaying constantly and Rice for 50-60m would be a good price considering what we have paid for worse. In reality we would all want to get him for 25m pounds, but West Ham are no morons, they know what we have paid for worse and will want their money. They might settle for less from another club of course.
Fred scored 7 goals in 4 seasons,that's hardly every week.Fred scored against bums like this every week, but as soon as Rice does it he's the worlds best midfielder
Yeah it’s typical of this place really, it’s black or white.This debate is getting a bit polarised at times.
You see, I really believe he is the best solution to our CM issues even if he does cost £100m. His ability and character set him above any other realistic target. But that sounds over the top doesn’t it?
So we can have a few more posts saying he’s a donkey, can’t pass, and is only worth what we paid for Fred. Otherwise the universe will be dangerously out of balance.
Yeah. I’m very pro-Rice but I can certainly sympathise with a more measured view such as yours.Yeah it’s typical of this place really, it’s black or white.
Truth is somewhere in the middle of the two sides you describe.
Imo I think he’s better than what we have but I also happen to think he’s nothing particularly special.
Most people go over the top in their negative description of him because he is definitely overpriced and to an extent overhyped, although he is still an improvement on what we have.
Sociedad are 2nd in La Liga and a much better team than Monaco so you would expect them to dominate possession (and frankly a draw is a good result for Monaco). Ndidi didn't even play for Leicester against Warsaw. Ndidi's been consistently among the best midfielders for defensive actions in Europe for most of his Leicester career, whereas Rice has never really excelled in this area. This season is the first one where Rice has started to show some really impressive statistics in any area, as he's always been pretty average before. Rice was also pretty poor against us imo. I'd be happy with any of the 3 and think all of them would be a significant upgrade on our current options. Rice's price is definitely excessive for what he's shown up to this point though.But but..
The French darling Tchoumeni is better drawing 1-1 with Real Sociedad with the possesion of 36% all game.
Or Ndidi & Leicester losing 1-0 to Legia Warsaw.
These alternatives simply do not bloody perform and when they do its once in a while.
I don't think many would suggest he's not better than Fred. It's moreso that there are other potential options across Europe that would cost a lot less who would also be significant upgrades on our current midfieldersRice is x2 steps up from Fred, I cannot understand how people would not swap him for Fred and especially VDB
I agree on the price for sure.I don't think many would suggest he's not better than Fred. It's moreso that there are other potential options across Europe that would cost a lot less who would also be significant upgrades on our current midfielders
In hindsight, United should have maybe gone for Son a season ago and then maybe we wouldn't have had the whole Sancho situation and maybe now we would have had a decent CM this summer come in and a great side Premier League ready.Skipp is better than him, how much would Levy want?
But is it realistic to expect us to spend £90m on him, £75m on Haaland (not counting agent fees) and also money to replace Pogba if he leaves (as he most likely will)? I mean we spent roughly £100m this season and this was considered by all acounts an incredible transfer window. Last season we spent roughly £60m. Based on that, it's hard to believe we would spend £200m+ in a single transfer window.I agree on the price for sure.
But if United blew £90m on him and got Haaland next season I'd be happy. (plus replace Pogba if he leaves)
So long as we cleared the deadwood.
I get that.But is it realistic to expect us to spend £90m on him, £75m on Haaland (not counting agent fees) and also money to replace Pogba if he leaves (as he most likely will)? I mean we spent roughly £100m this season and this was considered by all acounts an incredible transfer window. Last season we spent roughly £60m. Based on that, it's hard to believe we would spend £200m+ in a single transfer window.
BaileyI get that.
But if we move on VDB, Martial, Jones and maybe one other (Bailey) that would cover Haaland or a CM roughly
But we should have these two being the stature we are as a club.Not sure how anyone could expect us to pay for both Rice and Haaland next summer if given the opportunity. Haaland is probably the longer shot of the two.
No, actually I'm not saying that. I'd hope we could find someone like Rice for a much cheaper price. Traditionally, we have always been good at finding gems every now and again. However, we have to be careful because there's players out there playing in foreign leagues who are nowhere near as good as people make out. With Rice, we'd be purchasing a player who knows the EPL.Ok forget his price tag. Are you telling me we can’t find anyone in this world that can do what he does or even better?
The only reason you talk about him is because he’s English and plays in the premier league. Literally no one outside of England considers him a great DM prospect considering how average total poor he was at the Euros.
Why would that be impossible ? We are taking £150 million give or take - we can off-load players like Martial, Henderson, Dalot and v.d Beek - that should cover at least half of it. Add to that - Cavani, Mata, Matic at least will leave - which should reduce our wages by probably close to £30 million a year.Not sure how anyone could expect us to pay for both Rice and Haaland next summer if given the opportunity. Haaland is probably the longer shot of the two.
I’m sure there are plenty better technical footballers for less money. His most valuable attributes are the least obviously visible - character and game intelligence. He’s physically very strong, athletic and improving technically.No, actually I'm not saying that. I'd hope we could find someone like Rice for a much cheaper price. Traditionally, we have always been good at finding gems every now and again. However, we have to be careful because there's players out there playing in foreign leagues who are nowhere near as good as people make out. With Rice, we'd be purchasing a player who knows the EPL.
I don't think there's any point respoding to your last sentence.