Declan Rice

[KiD MoYeS]

Meh you’re just saying that because you’re Irish

Weird response but okay.

 

[youngrell]

I feel like this is easier said than done.

Try find me 5 players outside the PL that could be our CDM?

It might be difficult for us, but it shouldn't be difficult for international scouts to do so.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I'm just saying £50 million was spent on both Wan-Bissaka and Fred and a lot of the fanbase feel upgrades are needed on both. Don't see why Rice would be any different. He is a specialist player. Maybe if Solskjaer is planning to play the one holding player rather than the double pivot it would make sense.

 

[TheReligion]

If we want him I think there is. I think few clubs will be looking for a DM. Chelsea is probably not an option.

I really would not want us to sign him for a stupid fee. But I’m not sure it would be the case. I’m not saying that he has a clause in his contract, but considering he signed a new contract with WH a few days before he could start talking to other clubs (and then leave for free) I would be surprised if there is not a gentlemens agreement that he can leave for a reasonable fee.

Furthermore, I would imagine that WH understand that being able to invest this summer might give them a few opportunities that a club like them normally would not have. They usually invest a lot in France, and there is a few clubs there who really struggle.

I also think Lingard gives us a stronger hand.

Yeah I also see him as realistic. He's a very United style signing and do think he fits the club ethos.

I don't see him staying at WHU much longer, especially if you has a good Euros. He's surely now wanting to play in the CL (or even just European competition) so I don't see him hanging around that much longer. Perhaps if WH get Europa he'll stay.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Rice would be an excellent addition to the team, he is very young and can still improve further, but in my eyes he isn't worth anything north of 45m at maximum.

Perhaps 30 + Lingard.

I don't think we are desperate enough to part with a huge fee (50m or plus for me is a huge fee already) in this current climate.

 

[Chaky_Best]

Fee between english clubs, for young international players are more around 70M minimun

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Rice would be an excellent addition to the team, he is very young and can still improve further, but in my eyes he isn't worth anything north of 45m at maximum.

Perhaps 30 + Lingard.

I don't think we are desperate enough to part with a huge fee (50m or plus for me is a huge fee already) in this current climate.

I agree with this but West Ham will quote Man Utd ~£80 million for him, I guarantee it.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

I agree with this but West Ham will quote Man Utd ~£80 million for him, I guarantee it.

Of course West Ham would, we paid 80M for Maguire, sadly there is a precedent already, and I hope the club refrains from considering such demands no matter what, we can find cheaper options of similar profile elsewhere, or if the club wants to pay huge fees then go get a player of Casmeiro or Verrati level in the DM role.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Of course West Ham would, we paid 80M for Maguire, sadly there is a precedent already, and I hope the club refrains from considering such demands no matter what, we can find cheaper options of similar profile elsewhere, or if the club wants to pay huge fees then go get a player of Casmeiro or Verrati level in the DM role.

Absolutely agreed.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

It will probably be more than in 18/19. It is not like the CBs they had in 18/19 had much more pace.

Pace was never the issue. Compatibility was.

Otamendi and Stones are very good defenders. As a pair their are like hot oil and water. Same with Maguire and Lindeloff.

 

[FrankDrebin]

If only he was Irish.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Of course West Ham would, we paid 80M for Maguire, sadly there is a precedent already, and I hope the club refrains from considering such demands no matter what, we can find cheaper options of similar profile elsewhere, or if the club wants to pay huge fees then go get a player of Casmeiro or Verrati level in the DM role.

Pre Covid precedents are far less relevant now.

clearly West Ham would want a big fee for a player who often captains them, is young, on a decent length contract and one of, if not their best player.

There should be somewhat of a reset, and to negotiate you need credible leverage. “We aren’t paying £80m fees due to the effect of Covid” is as credible as you can get.

we also have Lingard as more than a makeweight.

 

[golden_blunder]

Weird response but okay.

Sorry just joking based on what @SirMarcusRashford said yesterday

 

[KiD MoYeS]

If only he was Irish.

I'm sure he still has his passport, doesn't have to sweat Brexit.

 

[golden_blunder]

I'm sure he still has his passport, doesn't have to sweat Brexit.

The Irish all hate him

 

[KiD MoYeS]

The Irish all hate him

We hate Bono too, doesn't make him any less Irish!

 

[golden_blunder]

We hate Bono too, doesn't make him any less Irish!

True. True.

 

[kundalini]

If we want him I think there is. I think few clubs will be looking for a DM. Chelsea is probably not an option.

I really would not want us to sign him for a stupid fee. But I’m not sure it would be the case. I’m not saying that he has a clause in his contract, but considering he signed a new contract with WH a few days before he could start talking to other clubs (and then leave for free) I would be surprised if there is not a gentlemens agreement that he can leave for a reasonable fee.

Furthermore, I would imagine that WH understand that being able to invest this summer might give them a few opportunities that a club like them normally would not have. They usually invest a lot in France, and there is a few clubs there who really struggle.

I also think Lingard gives us a stronger hand.

The last time you posted this I thought it was strange so I went back year after year on Transfermarkt to try to discover players that West Ham had bought from France.

20-21 - none

19-20 - none

18-19 - Diop

17-18 - none

16-17 - none

15-16 - Payet

Before that, 2010-11 - Piquionne, 2012-13 Maiga + Alou Diarra, 2014-15 - Sakho + Amalfitano, other years none. That makes 7 players over 11 years, only 2 in the last 6 years.

Not only that, but you are the only person I can find, who believes there is a gentleman's agreement that Rice can leave for a reasonable fee. It is so clearly not true, that I don't know what to say. Both Moyes and the owners have stated the complete opposite. There is no point in them saying the price would have to be in excess of £100m for them to even consider a bid, if in reality Rice's agent knows they would accept £50m due to a gentleman's agreement when Rice signed his latest contract. West Ham fans are already unhappy with the owners.

Then there is the Moyes factor as I explained in a previous post in this thread. Moyes had money to spend on a striker in the Jan window, having sold Haller. He failed to buy one. At United he only bought Fellaini during his first summer. At Sunderland he recruited a bunch of ex-Everton players and Januzaj on loan. If West Ham want to exploit the french market, or indeed any other market, they will need to fire Moyes.

Declan Rice was let go by Chelsea. West Ham gave him his chance. They were prepared to give him PL starts at a young age. He has made it into the England team based on his performances for West Ham.

Rice's contract is until summer 2024 + 1 year option on West Ham's side.

 

[andersj]

the owners have stated the complete opposite.

I’m sorry, I was not aware the owner had stated this. I read Moyes quotes, but to be honest, that does not mean much.

Btw, do you have a link where the owner says it will take a bid for more than £100 mill for them to consider a bid?

For the record, I dont think they would accept a bid of £50 mill. But I do think he will be sold for significantly below £100 mill. If not this summer, then the next.

 

[Bebestation]

The Athletic has made an article about other CDM that we could potentially target instead of Rice. Anyone know the names?

 

[Lee565]

He reminds me of Schneiderlin at Southampton

 

[kundalini]

I’m sorry, I was not aware the owner had stated this. I read Moyes quotes, but to be honest, that does not mean much.

Btw, do you have a link where the owner says it will take a bid for more than £100 mill for them to consider a bid?

For the record, I dont think they would accept a bid of £50 mill. But I do think he will be sold for significantly below £100 mill. If not this summer, then the next.

See Jim White on talksport articles about Declan Rice.

For instance:

talkSPORT host Jim White claims West Ham’s owners value Rice in excess of £100m.

He added: “Sullivan has already told me it’s got to be north of £100m or they won’t entertain it.

“We’ll wait and see what happens with that.”

https://talksport.com/football/838905/declan-rice-transfer-chelsea-manchester-united-west-ham/

 

[andersj]

See Jim White on talksport articles about Declan Rice.

For instance:

talkSPORT host Jim White claims West Ham’s owners value Rice in excess of £100m.

He added: “Sullivan has already told me it’s got to be north of £100m or they won’t entertain it.

“We’ll wait and see what happens with that.”

https://talksport.com/football/838905/declan-rice-transfer-chelsea-manchester-united-west-ham/

Ok, maybe Jim White is right. I’ve never seen WHs owner go on record on anything with regards to Rice. I also remember Pellegrini saying that he would be available for the right fee back in 2019. Of course, he could have ment the right fee was more than £100 mill. Somehow, I doubt it.

I also remember the media quoting £50 mill for Rooney back in 2004. He went for a bit more than half that a few months later. (Even BBC mentioned a fee of £45 mill.)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2004/england/3819335.stm

Maybe you are right. Maybe he is not available and will stay at WH for several years. I think he will leave. At latest in 2023. And I think the fee will be less than £100 mill. My guess is at £75 mill. Quote me if I’m way off if you like..

 

[kundalini]

Ok, maybe Jim White is right. I’ve never seen WHs owner go on record on anything with regards to Rice. I also remember Pellegrini saying that he would be available for the right fee back in 2019. Of course, he could have ment the right fee was more than £100 mill. Somehow, I doubt it.

I also remember the media quoting £50 mill for Rooney back in 2004. He went for a bit more than half that a few months later. (Even BBC mentioned a fee of £45 mill.)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2004/england/3819335.stm

Maybe you are right. Maybe he is not available and will stay at WH for several years. I think he will leave. At latest in 2023. And I think the fee will be less than £100 mill. My guess is at £75 mill. Quote me if I’m way off if you like..

Rice leaving in summer 2023 for £75m is a perfectly reasonable scenario as his contract is until summer 2024 + 1 year option on West Ham's side. By that time, the finances of PL clubs will probably have recovered from Covid-19. Indeed, I suspect if you posted that on a West Ham forum, they would reluctantly agree, if Rice wasn't going to sign an extended contract, though some might prefer to wait a further year before accepting the best offer available at that time.

Pellegrini and Moyes are different. I haven't followed Pellegrini closely but I would imagine he would prefer a large amount of money to spend on his chosen players, than keeping Declan Rice, while Moyes has demonstrated over the years that he is a cautious shopper, who is quite happy to return home having bought nothing.

 

[andersj]

Rice leaving in summer 2023 for £75m is a perfectly reasonable scenario as his contract is until summer 2024 + 1 year option on West Ham's side. By that time, the finances of PL clubs will probably have recovered from Covid-19.

Pellegrini and Moyes are different. I haven't followed Pellegrini closely but I would imagine he would prefer a large amount of money to spend on his chosen players, than keeping Declan Rice, while Moyes has demonstrated over the years that he is a cautious shopper, who is quite happy to return home having bought nothing.

I might underestimate how highly valued he is by the club. I also might overestimate the brains on his advicers. But considering he, as a very exciting prospect with several games in the PL under his belt, decided to extend his contract three days before he would be allowed to talk to other clubs, I would be very surprised if him being «allowed» to leave at some point was not discussed.

Especially so, considering how «unstable» and poor WHU was at the time compared to today. He is a very ambitious footballer and I think he would be hesitant to put himself in a situation where he is stuck at WHU until 24-25 without being given any assurances.

In Scandinavia, assurances like that is quite common and I know they do it in England aswell.

But I agree, Moyes would prefer to keep at «all cost». Just like he wanted to with Rooney.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Hopefully we'll stay away, he's not a bad player but he's not a complete midfielder. He's like AWB, very good on one part of the game but lacking big time in other part.

Also being English he would cost something around 50M so it's a definite no from me.

 

[TheReligion]

Rice looking very capable for England tonight so far.

Cracking player.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

The Athletic has made an article about other CDM that we could potentially target instead of Rice. Anyone know the names?

Yeah, quite the long read but the names are:

Gold Standard: Ndidi & Rice

Young Bucks: Camavinga & Gravenberch

Tacklers: Tapis from Celta Vigo & Mohd Camara from Salzburg.

Passers: Locatelli & Zakaria

Interesting Shouts: Docoure from Lens, Anguissa from Fulham & Berge from Sheffield United.

For me I am interested in Locatelli, described as one who disrupts oppo attacks and he is an excellent passer

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Douglas Luiz, Anguissa or Yves Bisosuma would be interesting prospects to look at long term

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

He’s the real deal.

 

[Zoo]

He’s just a quality player who is going to get better. I wouldn’t mind paying good money for him providing West Ham are realistic. We have Lingard as a bargaining chip too.

 

[Judas]

He'll play for a top 6 team and be very very good.

 

[Castia]

Quality player would love him here.

The problem is the price he’d cost a fortune.

 

[Drainy]

Quality player would love him here.

The problem is the price he’d cost a fortune.

True, plus the talk is he doesn't want to leave London

 

[dbs235]

Rice looking very capable for England tonight so far.

Cracking player.

He's much better than Phillips that's for sure.

 

[balaks]

I still dont see it at all - very, very average.

 

[TheReligion]

I still dont see it at all - very, very average.

He's much better technically than Holjberg who has got alot of plaudits for you lot.

Thoughts you'd appreciate him.

 

[balaks]

He's much better technically than Holjberg who has got alot of plaudits for you lot.

Thoughts you'd appreciate him.

I think he is ok but I dont think he is anything special. I've seen him tons now and he never has really impressed me. I honestly have no idea what all the fuss is about.

 

[ivaldo]

The best I've seen him play tonight.

 

[sullydnl]

Other than ourselves, which other PL teams would both be able to afford him and have an immediate need for him in their side?