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Delle Alli awful challenges
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Redcafe in Glaston's logic:
Suarez is a cnut because he dives and does nasty fouls.
Diego Costa is a cnut because he dives and does nasty fouls.
Dele Alli is a cnut because we're all bitter that Spurs bought him for £4m.
Suarez is a cnut because he dives and does nasty fouls.
Diego Costa is a cnut because he dives and does nasty fouls.
Dele Alli is a cnut because we're all bitter that Spurs bought him for £4m.
Just annoys me to see people going way over the top about this kid. Yes he probably should have been sent off last week but now it appears any hard tackle he goes in for people are up in arms demanding big bans for usually very little.
Spot on.
He's been a little bit shit this season on the whole.
To be fair, he has history. A lot of it.
He has dived in the past, last weeks challenge was a red, but people seem to jump at any chance to call Alli the worst thing in football since Suarez. My view is that the ref got both decisions correct today, despite that the ref could have sent him off and it was a stupid challenge to make. He needs to grow up, and improve, but some comments on here are way over the top.
Tbf the kid is an unlikeable little cnut and when people like that play badly it will be pointed out much quicker.
England fans should be worried though. His dirtyness could be costly in a big game at the World Cup. There's no need for him to play like he should have been sent off 20 years ago, never mind today.
The tackle looked ok, maybe a yellow at worst. The penalty is a deliberate dive, but he makes connection and they are given all the time. Neither incident deserves censure.
Thats not to say he hasn't been a nasty cheat on several occasions.
The Burnley tackle is fine, I even question the yellow, both players go in hard, but fairly, for the ball. The Manchester City one is not, straight red, high, studs showing, dangerous.
As for the dive, this happens all the time, is it annoying, sure. But certainly not unexpected, I didnt watch it and think 'oh yeah what a diver'. You might as well attribute 'diver' to every player in the league. Because 95%+ would go down there and look for the penalty. Hell people go down with a lot less and look for a penalty.
As for the dive, this happens all the time, is it annoying, sure. But certainly not unexpected, I didnt watch it and think 'oh yeah what a diver'. You might as well attribute 'diver' to every player in the league. Because 95%+ would go down there and look for the penalty. Hell people go down with a lot less and look for a penalty.
I think the penalty is quite interesting because that is exactly the kind of diving you're never going to get rid of, most of you think what he's done is wrong though. I still think there's contact & it looks like a penalty. You can only give what you see isn't it? (despite what I said earlier)
The idea this tackle is not even a yellow though I find amazing - in a level game at 75mins at WHL, Anfield, OT, Emirates I'm gonna say that I reckon a visiting player is almost definitely going off for that & on MotD they're saying he's out of control & 2 footed if a non-Lion is doing that, but there we are, he's not high & very dangerous I don't suppose. It's a definite yellow.
The idea this tackle is not even a yellow though I find amazing - in a level game at 75mins at WHL, Anfield, OT, Emirates I'm gonna say that I reckon a visiting player is almost definitely going off for that & on MotD they're saying he's out of control & 2 footed if a non-Lion is doing that, but there we are, he's not high & very dangerous I don't suppose. It's a definite yellow.
Goes down a little easy, but can totally see why it was given.
Anyone calling for the challenge he made to be red is absolutely clueless.
HystericalCafe strikes again.
Anyone calling for the challenge he made to be red is absolutely clueless.
HystericalCafe strikes again.
He's definitely gonna cost us in the world cup with his rashness. The media and refs should stop protecting him and Poch needs to rein him in - it's all for his own good.
What would Spurs fans think if you guys got to the quarters or semis of the CL, and his recklessness cost you? I reckon you'd go ballistic.
What would Spurs fans think if you guys got to the quarters or semis of the CL, and his recklessness cost you? I reckon you'd go ballistic.
As a soon to be 21 year old I'm also going to call Alli a petulant cnut with a punchable face.
Both were the correct decision yesterday, clear penalty and a yellow was the right call for the tackle. If either were on one of our players the tune on here would be totally different.
Spurs get away with murder every fecking year since theyve had English lads... Last game Alli and Kane survived a 100% red card too
Do you not think that, in his relatively fledgling career, he has quite a highlight reel of seriously nasty challenges? Yesterday's was pretty tame by his standards
I'm not sure what his age has to do with it?
He's been able to go to war and die for his country for 4 years, as such, being called some names as he's a dirty player with a history of awful tackles and theatrics is hardly going over the top.
The bloke is a nipple and if he played for anyone other than media darling's Spurs then we'd be hearing a lot more about it.
So... He's not getting banned? FA is making a mockery of their new (and promising) rule then. No surprise there.
There was contact for the previous two bans they've given for diving. And the contact comes after he's thrown himself down. It's stonewall and an easy case.
Prem League 2017-18 so far:
Pogba: 1 red card. Herrera - 4 yellow cards, Young: 4 yellows, Rojo: 4 yellows.
Alli: 0 red cards, 3 yellow cards.
Prem League 2016-17:
Fellaini: 1 red + 9 yellow cards, Herrera: 1 red + 5 yellow cards, Pogba: 7 yellow cards, Rojo: 5 yellows, Valencia 5 yellows.
Alli: 0 red cards, 4 yellow cards
Some opposition fans don't like him because he's aggressive and gets in the faces of opposition players. But a dirty player ? Nah.
He's a combative, highly competitive player, which is all part of what makes him good. And he gets fouled far more than he gives out.
What a sad, sad agenda. Utterly childlish - and we’re on a Man Utd-forum where you should behave like the guest that you are. Nobody cares about what you paid for Alli, he isn’t even good enough for Tottenham this season. Everyone wants Kane, he is obviously a great player and a good guy - Alli is an average midfielder and a vile, arrogant and violent player - and you try and defend him (big surprise) by bringing up his price.
You bring up Mkhitaryan - forgetting that is takes one second to bring dross like Sissoko into the equation. Your comment makes no sense, but what makes sense is that Mkhitaryan won two trophies last season - and he was the best player in the Europa League.
Price and quality does not always warrant success, as well all know. Buying cheap does not bring automatic success either, as you might know, seeing Tottenham winning absolutely nothing the last ten years. We get it man, you hate Manchester United and you are desperate to talk the club down, call for a huge demise and the stadium being burnt down to the ground - so it must feel incredibly bad that United won more trophies in one «ok» year than you have done since 2000.
Enjoy 5th place over the holidays.
It seems Glaston has shaved a million off his transfer fee too because I’ve never once seen a figure of £4 million reported. £5 million is the universal figure.
I dislike Dele Ali but I'd take him at United in a split second.
He's a filthy snide but at least he does have talent to go along with it. He's not like Jack Wilshire where he's just a filthy cnut with no talent
He's a filthy snide but at least he does have talent to go along with it. He's not like Jack Wilshire where he's just a filthy cnut with no talent
Statistics over yellow and red cards? Are you kidding me? Does not make any sense - just like most of the other points. Alli has gotten away with violent tackles because the referees haven’t seen them, hence no statistics will reflect it, so your point has zero value.
Then you bring up a player like Ashley Young having a few yellow cards - what point are you trying to make? Getting yellow cards over time is not necessarily the same as being dirty. Could be pulling a shirt, shouting at the ref, professional fouls, who cares.
Tackling someone purposely on the ankle is violent and extremely dirty, let’s not try and fend away the discussion by bringing forward statistics without any value. Bringing up Ashley Young in a discussion with regards to Alli’s obvious problems with aggression, is like comparing a guy with a parking ticket and someone who’s always driving around drunk without getting caught by the cops (yet).
If you think Pogba is a dirty player you should probably watch him play once in a while, Herrara is a little snide which is part of the reason his own fans love him. Ashley Young has always gone down too easy but as far as being too agressive? Nah.
Rojo, Fellaini and Delli Alli are all dirty players. Look at that, I admitted that my team were not all brave heroes who are utterly infallible and I am still alive. Still I obviously don't support a team full of teenagers who play for nothing but the love of Spurs glorious history, were all home grown and spend every waking moment away from the training ground helping out local charities. Probably just jealousy speaking, I mean when you are buying world class players like Alli for pocket change and a ham sandwich whilst we are stuck with cloggers like Pogba you can't blame me.
That's nonsense.
Well, Jack Wilshere had one awesome season earlier in his career where every club wanted him. Then injuries and a massive ego turned his career around. Alli was great last season, this season he has had a much lower output and consequently a lot of attention to the fact that he doesn’t contribute a whole lot more than goals. Let’s not try and close any chapters yet, Alli is quite far away from being a top player. He isn’t even the second best attacking midfielder/forward at Spurs.
Can't stand this sort of hypocrisy in football. Tolerating cheating and vile behaviour just because a player is good makes a person look bad.
Convenient for your argument, but also untrue. Take his tackle yesterday, for example. The ref deemed it worthy of a yellow and not a red ... and most observers agree, including ex-refs who've seen the replay from multiple angles.
It simply wasn't that bad a tackle ... and the opposing player went in pretty hard too. But that doesn't suit your agenda so you dismiss it.
If you want to talk about dirty, nasty players then try talking about Fellaini.
Well I'd take Cantona back too, even if he kicked another Palace fan in the face. Because he was a great player capable of creating legendary moments.
I wouldn't take Vinnie Jones because he's just a vile scum who'd grab peoples balls because he can't compete with them on the field.
Ideally you'd have Dele Alli and he wouldn't kick people. But greater players are worth a little more agro if they're also producing brilliance on the pitch
It was a while ago but personally for me as far as actual technique and being able to manipulate a football we have seen a level from Wilshire which is a mile beyond anything we have seen from Delle Alli.
I personally never rated Wilshire even then.
Yeah injuries probably played a part but he's no better today than I ever expected him to be
Bet Keane and Robson which they could have a crack at him. He comes across as a wannabe hardman, would love to see him pit in his place tbh.
He definitely could have been better than he is now, even now though he just has little touches now and then that someone like Alli isn't capable of. Alli is a terrific goalscorer and has great positioning without question but I struggle to rate him as a footballer. I think this gets highlighted playing for England when he doesn't have Eriksen drifting around him being generally incredible and dictating all the play.
Lol ... an average player who recently put Real Madrid to the sword.
Yesterday was a yellow (and not a red) and the pen was rightfully given ... but some folk are so desperate to paint Alli in a bad light that that they just won't have it.
The rest of your post - more of a rant really - escapes me, what with talk of stadiums being burnt to the ground
and "behaving like a guest" ... as if that means I shouldn't speak the truth as I see it.
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About the same time Luis Milla and Alvaro Suarez put them to the sword for Fuenlabrada. A month before Romarinho punished them for Al Jazira and Stuani and Portu taught them a lesson for Girona.
That was out of order, we all know stadiums are very important to you.what with talk of stadiums being burnt to the ground
Utterly, utterly ridiculous. Where have I mentioned the tackle yesterday in the post you referred to? I have not - you say I am dismissing stuff to suit my agenda? You are making up stuff to suit your own agenda!
I am thinking of the de Bruyne-incident. He got a yellow for that one, which was unjust, and which will not turn up in any statistic or lame approach to clean his reputation. The tackle you refer to was also ugly, but again, I have not brought it up.
Fellaini? Why would I talk about Fellaini when the topic is Dele Alli? I don’t care about Fellaini, he hasn’t played in ages and he hasn’t been the centre of controversy. Again, more nonsense.
Fellaini is a dirty player. I think most United fans agree. So is Herrera, who likes simulation and getting into nasty tackles. So does Smalling, who pulls people by their shirts, and so does Zlatan, whose ego puts him on a pedestal. And they all get carded for it, if not on pitch then retrospectively. Time and again.
Players like Alli draw ire because they're sneaky cnuts who get away with it because of the Young Golden Boy bias that the league has towards him. Same way people wouldn't criticize Rooney in his last few seasons here despite him being less than a Championship player on occasions. The most irritating thing about his tackle on KDB was how little, if any, flak it drew from the pundits and media in retrospect, and how he escaped a red for that. No accountability at all.
Players like Alli draw ire because they're sneaky cnuts who get away with it because of the Young Golden Boy bias that the league has towards him. Same way people wouldn't criticize Rooney in his last few seasons here despite him being less than a Championship player on occasions. The most irritating thing about his tackle on KDB was how little, if any, flak it drew from the pundits and media in retrospect, and how he escaped a red for that. No accountability at all.
The Premier League has opened a can of worms with their diving panel, just like I predicted in the diving ban thread.
I'd put the Alli penalty incident in the same bracket as the Lanzini one. Poorly timed tackle, player sees contact is about to occur and goes down to highlight the poor timing of the tackle. Tackle is bad enough to warrant a penalty but the player has exaggerated the contact to make it look worse than it was.
It'll be very interesting to see what happens with this since they banned Lanzini, and let's not get into Niasse, whose ban was an absolute farce.
I'd put the Alli penalty incident in the same bracket as the Lanzini one. Poorly timed tackle, player sees contact is about to occur and goes down to highlight the poor timing of the tackle. Tackle is bad enough to warrant a penalty but the player has exaggerated the contact to make it look worse than it was.
It'll be very interesting to see what happens with this since they banned Lanzini, and let's not get into Niasse, whose ban was an absolute farce.