They have. But again mainly in young players, bar Witsel and Deleany. The problem for Dortmund is that they neither can keep their top talents nor attracted really top notch experienced players. That's why with every talent they build up and have to sell they fall back a bit again. The same will happen at the end of the season. They will get 70M for Pulisic and probably the same or even more for Sancho but they will have to replace their two biggest talents in attack again. Dortmund simply can't close the gap in the long run.
'Der Klassiker' : Bayern München vs. Borussia Dortmund
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
What I mean is that since they came top, only 3 teams (youre right about Atleti) out of 7 possible COULD have stopped them (only 1 actually did).
Btw, had they beaten liverpool, they would have drawn porto. I know its a lot of ifs and coulds but my point is, Bayern are still a good team.
This is great. The last thing I wanted was more Dortmund hipster fans like during the Klopp era.
I hate it when clubs take a chill pill in the second half after big lead.
they heard you!
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Second tier?BVB defence is not even 2nd division worthy today
as expected tbf. Bayern will strengthen further in the summer, Dortmund will lose some players and the circle will continue. if my memory serves me well, they won six titles in row with 2018/2019 possibly being seventh, while Juventus already have seven in row with 2018/2019 guaranteed to be their eight straight keague title. I can actually see both teams winning ten league titles in row now. PSG would be on the same path if there weren't for Monaco. a bit sad state of football when you look at it, then again, what can you do... money talks.
Perhaps when we talk about a fit, near full strength & in form Dortmund side. But not under these circumstances.
How do you know? I don't understand why people say this.
AC Milan monumentally screwed up. With the Calciopoli scandal and Juve's subsequent banishment from Serie A, that should be been the catalyst to building a dominant run for years to come. That Juve not only came back from that scandal, but also have banished Milano to a contemporary footnote of recent history, is quite a sad indictment for the way Milan have been run.
Hows Sancho doing?
I expected Bayern to win but this has been the most devastating show of ruthless dominance and hierarchy I've seen since the Madrid 2-6 Barça of 2009.
Dortmund has lost a Liga and tons of prestige.
Dortmund has lost a Liga and tons of prestige.
And don't forget Inter overshadowing them during 2007-2010.
Slightly sad really.It doesn't matter how sh*te Bayern are they're still better than 99% of their Bundesliga counterparts.
Dortmund lost 6-0 at Bayern last season.
Not performing. He’s been awful recently in big game. He’s still a teenager though, expect this type of form in him and this should rise a question whether we are willing to spend big on him. I believe he’s worth the money for long term but he’s probably not be the full package solution of our attacking problem next season.
Like when a player misses 3 chances and people he could have had a hat trick. No one knows, he could have also gotten injured after the first goal. It grates me too
Still have 6 more games to go so anything can happen. It will be hella funny if Bayern slips up and Dortmund end up snatching the title from them.
Haha. If someone misses three good chances to score then they could have had a hat trick. We know because they had said chances. I’m not sure why that bothers you.
Because it implies like a sure thing he would have had the same chances after the first one scored whereas can know for sure if the sequence of events leading to those chances would be affected or not. The only thing to say is that the player could have at least scored 1 goal.
Indeed! I like the way you put it.
It is nothing but it annoys me still
Yeah, but at least this year they were favorites to win the Liga! Not even a draw, but a belting! 5-0
I think he is but just not at £80M
Can't really understand the expectations many here seem to have.
At the beginning of the season Dortmund were far from favourites to win the league, no one would have expected that from this young team with a new coach. The target was to restabilize and establish a strong fundament for the future. They put themselves in that great position by performing at the very top of their potential for half a year, and tipping close games in their favour multiple times. It's not too surprising that this wasn't sustainable over a whole season, for a lack of squad depth (when we talk of competing at Bayern levels) and inexperience.
At the same time Bayern struggled quite a bit. The trajectories of both teams have changed since then, which isn't too surprising either. Disappointing for Dortmund for sure, but to me it's back to normal more than anything else. Yesterday was an entirely poor performance, of course. The season is not over, but Bayern have all the momentum now.
Let's see what Flick can do today.
Both teams playing far from their best recently.
Both teams playing far from their best recently.
Herr Flick the manager of Bayern. Will Von Smallhausen be by his side?
Bench: Ulreich – Thiago, Coutinho, Cuisance, Perišić, Tolisso, Mai.
Dortmund played their best 45 mins of a long time midweek.
That Bayern defense
i think Dortmund will win, expect plenty of goals.
i think Dortmund will win, expect plenty of goals.
Disgraceful behaviour in the stands during the minute of silence for Robert Enke.
Not a great start.
Lewandowski is unstoppable
Pavard
What Lewandowski incredible is his general play, not just the crazy scoring. He should be taught to kids who wanna be strikers
Great cross from Pavard, superb finish from Lewandowski, poor from Sancho to lose the ball so nonchalantly in a danger area.
Best striker in Europe atm bar none.
Imagine having Thiago, Tolisso, Perisic and Coutinho on your bench. Hahahahaha
Look at state of our squad compared to Bayern. Ed Woodward should be shot.
Look at state of our squad compared to Bayern. Ed Woodward should be shot.
Yep.