Bayern also brought in Flick as an assistant coach while Kovac was still there. They clearly positioned him as the caretaker/successor for when they fire Kovac.
'Der Klassiker' : Bayern München vs. Borussia Dortmund
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
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Tuchel to Dortmund?
Well, they didn’t really split on the best terms to put it mildly
Watzke would never appoint him again. Never.
Funfact : Der Klassiker is the name for any meeting between the two German football powerhouses, Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund.
Stand by for the Superklassiker between Leipzig and Hoffenheim.
If by these games you mean home matches against Bayern then Dortmund went with a 3-1-1 record into Tuesday's game.
What are the stats for Der Klassiker matches home/away/neutral?
Perhaps it should go in the weird feelings of football thread but it seems like every time Bayern play Dortmund the narrative is 'Dortmund are gonna finally destroy the Bayern hegemony' and then they lose. A bit like Napoli have been with Juve in Italy for the last decade.
At Munich the record is truly ugly for Dortmund but at home it is better than 50:50 if memory serves me right
I may hate that name more than 'Die Mannschaft', and that's saying something. Hope for all out attacking from both teams, so obviously a tumescent 1-1 is on the line.
You prefer German Clasico, huh?
Yeah. If they believe they have to create fancy German equivalents for El Clasico, Selecao, Albiceleste etc. at least be more creative. At least try. Klassiker and Mannschaft are so unimaginative it hurts. Seems like Google Translate is the most important tool for German football PR guys.
I don't get that criticism. Isn't "Der Klassiker" literally the same as "El Clasico", just in another language? Selecao means "selection", "albiceleste" means something like "the blue whites", what's particularly original about these names? Most of them only sound fancy, because they are in a different language.
Bayern against the real Borussia might be a "Klassiker" - Dortmund vs Bayern is not...
Surprised the bookmakers have given Bayern such high odds for this even though they are away, home or away doesn't really mean much now and Bayern is also currently easily the best club in the world, their form has been sublime and they have Dortmund's number. Expect Bayern to beat Dortmund.
But they're the originals, "der Klassiker" and "die Mannschaft" are the copy cats. Don't know about you but I never heard anyone call the German national team "die Mannschaft" or Bayern - BVB "der Klassiker" in a normal conversation. Those brands were thought of by a PR team which then sought to introduce them into regular language usage while Selecao, Albiceleste, Equipe Tricolore, Seleccion, Squadra Azzura etc. emerged "organically" if I'm not mistaken. They tried to force it because they wanted a cool and marketable slogan for Germany as well.
You know, a wikipedia page would probably "The Italian national team, also called Squadra Azurra" or something along those lines. But the German national team isn't called "die Mannschaft" by anyone. Before Bierhoff and his team invented that term or picked it up from the foreign press or whatever nobody in Germany would've understood what you meant if you just said "die Mannschaft has played badly" without context. And now they're positioning this brand/logo everywhere at any given occasion and people still don't use it. It's a hollow marketing stunt and unfortunately not even a good but annoyingly unimaginative one.
Sure, obviously it's an attempt to create a brand, but it don't see the drama. Both words are fitting in the sense that they might as well have an organic origin. And foreigners seem to lap it up quite eagerly already (and why shouldn't they). People reject it, because it's new and it's plastic, but I don't really see the harm in it.
You in particular have been making cases for Leipzig's model, but at meaningless names you draw the line? That doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?
You in particular have been making cases for Leipzig's model, but at meaningless names you draw the line? That doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?
I'm not drawing any line. Not saying it's despicable or anything, it's just annoying. Like your unfunny friend repeating the joke he made earlier since he thought you didn't hear it when in reality you simply ignored it because it wasn't funny to begin with. I'm working in marketing myself by the way. But advertising, branding etc. should be cleverer than this, IMO.
And yes, foreign fans are adapting it quickly which makes it even more annoying
And yes, foreign fans are adapting it quickly which makes it even more annoying
I would argue that there isn't a word or phrase clever enough to not cause this kind of reaction. People don't reject it, because it lacks subtlety; they reject it, because it's new.I'm not drawing any line. Not saying it's despicable or anything, it's just annoying. Like your unfunny friend repeating the joke he made earlier since he thought you didn't hear it when in reality you simply ignored it because it wasn't funny to begin with. I'm working in marketing myself by the way. But advertising, branding etc. should be cleverer than this, IMO.
And yes, foreign fans are adapting it quickly which makes it even more annoying
Are man like Jadon & man like Jude playing?
Zagadou injured?
Who is Sarr? The Watford one?
Bouna Sarr, RB from Marseille, transfered late in the last window. It was a surprise move, and it's even more surprising to see him start so soon.
I think Haaland will rip us a new one, Alaba and Boateng can't defend him.
Honestly never heard of him. Im sure Bayern will make him look like prime Dani Alves though
Came from Marseille.
Until now quite good in offense but definitely worse than Pavard in defense.
Could be a problem against Dortmunds attack.
Disappointed to see Delaney and Witsel in midfield, with no Brandt or Dahoud. Once again Favre goes for a defensive formation that has hardly worked in the past versus Bayern.
They'll sit back and struggle to keep the ball, Bayern will eventually break them down.
They'll sit back and struggle to keep the ball, Bayern will eventually break them down.
Pavard has had some really bad performances recently, I don't think Sarr looked noticably worse on defense.
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This probably shows accurately how both teams will line up on the pitch. Bayern see Goretzka returning, Dortmund have Hummels returning from his injury suffered against Bielefeld.
Most notable about the Dortmund lineup is perhaps that Favre picked quite a conservative double pivot with Delaney and Witsel, over either Bellingham or Dahoud who have been in good form this season. That'll cause a lot of criticism if it doesn't work out. There's also a small chance that Delaney will play as LCB and Reyna as CM, seeing the team return to their formerly successful 343.
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Pavard is injured and Kimmich is irreplaceable in DM since Thiago left.
He's been injured all season, but even if he wasn't it's near impossible for him to start in a back four as long as Hummels and Akanji are both fit. The former is absolutely untouchable and the latter complements him best and has improved his form quite a bit compared to last season.
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If he hasn’t already, tonight will be the night Haaland announces himself as a world class player and a future multiple Ballon D’or winner.
Great goalscorer and big game player.
Great goalscorer and big game player.
Jeez it took Bayern 40 seconds to get their first big chance. I'm afraid this isn't going to end well for Dortmund.
Neither side can defend
a team across Europe it seems
a team across Europe it seems
Lewa!!
edit: or not
edit: or not
Lewandowski gives Bayern the lead.
Gonna be tight
Has Sancho passed the ball to a teammate yet?
VAR check.