Did Andy Cole make the right decision?

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Did he?

Would he have been more in the England shop window if he'd stayed at United.

Recent injuries suggest he would have had first team football, plus he would probably have made some sub. appearances.

Did he shoot himself in the foot?
 
Well judging by Fergie's reaction to Dwight Yorke, who has stayed and been snubbed, I reckon Andy might have done the right thing to move - as regards Blackburn though I don't know...

Still, he might reasonably have expected that they would stay up this season whereas now, who knows...
 
Was it a wise move for you to sell him?

Down to 2 strikers, a has been who is unlikely to play for you again and some unproven South American tart..
 
There´s nothing wrong with Diego, Davo.

How long did it take Angel to settle in?
 
Scoring goals hasnt been a problem for us this season, so we dont miss him.
I think Fergie did well to get money for him. It was important to reduce the average age of our squad. solskjaer is our most senior striker now! (assuming yorke is gone)
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Did he?

Would he have been more in the England shop window if he'd stayed at United.

Recent injuries suggest he would have had first team football, plus he would probably have made some sub. appearances.

Did he shoot himself in the foot?</strong><hr></blockquote>


He was right to go since he was quite clearly not Fergie's first or (even) second choice. Chances are that he would've been stewing on the bench for most of this year, and probably woulnd't have made the England team even if he played, and played well.
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Trust Davo to switch things round.

The question is whether Andy Cole made the wrong career move.

Davo can always start another topic on whether we should have sold Andy...... :rolleyes:

;)

Raoul, your point is valid - but surely if Andy had stuck it out, he could have been Ruud's partner now, because when we reverted to 4-4-2, he might have been in with a chance? If he left because of the 4-5-1 system, he jumped too quick.
 
Originally posted by Jens:
<strong>There´s nothing wrong with Diego, Davo.

How long did it take Angel to settle in?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Too early to tell either way..

Does n't look a natural goalscorer from the chances I've seen him miss so far tho...

And even if he eventually turns out well, doesn;t change the point re Cole
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Trust Davo to switch things round.

The question is whether Andy Cole made the wrong career move.

Davo can always start another topic on whether we should have sold Andy...... :rolleyes:

;)

Raoul, your point is valid - but surely if Andy had stuck it out, he could have been Ruud's partner now, because when we reverted to 4-4-2, he might have been in with a chance? If he left because of the 4-5-1 system, he jumped too quick.</strong><hr></blockquote>


IMO Cole's "decision" was made for him when you accepted a bid and allowed him to talk to Blackburn...
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If anyone can be arsed then dig up the thread from when he left and I said he'd have less chances for England moving to a club like Blackburn.
Altho he did want to win the Wortless cup before he retired so he's not done to bad out of it
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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IMO Cole's "decision" was made for him when you accepted a bid and allowed him to talk to Blackburn...</strong><hr></blockquote>


He could have stayed. He only had to say that he wanted to stay at United, and that would have been an end to it.
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Originally posted by Jens:
<strong>There´s nothing wrong with Diego, Davo.

How long did it take Angel to settle in?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Angel is still shite
;)
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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He could have stayed. He only had to say that he wanted to stay at United, and that would have been an end to it.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Isn't that what Yorke did?
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Imo diego could turn out to be a better link/team player than Cole. Passing and linking up play was never coley's strong point while diego has shown very encouraging signs that he is good at that.

As for the goals, I'm sure they'll come once he gets his first and an extended run in the side. He's only 22 after all....
 
Originally posted by Niall:
<strong>Imo diego could turn out to be a better link/team player than Cole. Passing and linking up play was never coley's strong point while diego has shown very encouraging signs that he is good at that.

As for the goals, I'm sure they'll come once he gets his first and an extended run in the side. He's only 22 after all....</strong><hr></blockquote>


In fairness there's something about Forlan that reminds me of Cole.... ;)
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Too early to tell either way..

Does n't look a natural goalscorer from the chances I've seen him miss so far

And I suppose the prolific Mr Heskey is
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Isn't that what Yorke did?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes. But Dwight Yorke has been out of favour because of his alleged off-field behaviour, and his whole attitude. Andy Cole wasn't out of favour in that way.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Yes. But Dwight Yorke has been out of favour because of his alleged off-field behaviour, and his whole attitude. Andy Cole wasn't out of favour in that way.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But would have refusing a move that had all been agreed by the boss have put him in a favourable light?
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Originally posted by Davo:
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But would have refusing a move that had all been agreed by the boss have put him in a favourable light?</strong><hr></blockquote>


It didn't do Solskjaer any harm.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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It didn't do Solskjaer any harm.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fair point...

Tho he's had to be very patient...

Don't think Cole could ever have been the same
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Ah

Apparently his finishing has been more or less like Owen's since arriving at OT</strong><hr></blockquote>


Here he goes...
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Well,I think that the right decision he made.For there is no room for him in Man Utd now.We have RVN,Solskjaer,and Forlan(but this guy...)so,who else?
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Fair point...

Tho he's had to be very patient...

Don't think Cole could ever have been the same</strong><hr></blockquote>


No, nor I.

Which was his downfall I think.
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Do you wish you'd kept him?</strong><hr></blockquote>


No.

But that isn't an objective opinion. I never liked Andy Cole. I used to celebrate the goals, but never the scorer.

I thought he was a moody git, who had chance after chance even when he was cocking up, and imo he received preferential treatment for a long time. He did improve a lot, but tho I know a lot of Cole fans will disagree with me, he let us down badly on several occasions, and the majority of his goals were not vital. (Well, all goals are reasonably vital, but you get my point).

I admit to bias. I never wanted him to replace Sparky, and when he failed to score at West Ham in the last game of the season when Blackburn won the title, my dislike was set in stone. Follow that with his tantrums when he had to be a sub (against Derby I think), and I came to the conclusion that Andy Cole was not a red at heart.

So it didn't bother me in the slightest when he went, but from a football point of view, it did leave us short.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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No.

But that isn't an objective opinion. I never liked Andy Cole. I used to celebrate the goals, but never the scorer.

I thought he was a moody git, who had chance after chance even when he was cocking up, and imo he received preferential treatment for a long time. He did improve a lot, but tho I know a lot of Cole fans will disagree with me, he let us down badly on several occasions, and the majority of his goals were not vital. (Well, all goals are reasonably vital, but you get my point).

I admit to bias. I never wanted him to replace Sparky, and when he failed to score at West Ham in the last game of the season when Blackburn won the title, my dislike was set in stone. Follow that with his tantrums when he had to be a sub (against Derby I think), and I came to the conclusion that Andy Cole was not a red at heart.

So it didn't bother me in the slightest when he went, but from a football point of view, it did leave us short.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I'd agree with pretty much all that...and I'm not biased.. ;)

I just think its left you short, no RVN on Sat and still Forlan didn't start....
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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No.

But that isn't an objective opinion. I never liked Andy Cole. I used to celebrate the goals, but never the scorer.

I thought he was a moody git, who had chance after chance even when he was cocking up, and imo he received preferential treatment for a long time. He did improve a lot, but tho I know a lot of Cole fans will disagree with me, he let us down badly on several occasions, and the majority of his goals were not vital. (Well, all goals are reasonably vital, but you get my point).

I admit to bias. I never wanted him to replace Sparky, and when he failed to score at West Ham in the last game of the season when Blackburn won the title, my dislike was set in stone. Follow that with his tantrums when he had to be a sub (against Derby I think), and I came to the conclusion that Andy Cole was not a red at heart.

So it didn't bother me in the slightest when he went, but from a football point of view, it did leave us short.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A bit harsh that!

I was never his biggest fan, but I do respect his record and his contribution to our success.

But it was time to move on for him, and we got a very good return both in terms of goals and money received when he left.

I wish Andy all the best, and I'd like to see him go to the world cup after helping Blackburn stay up by scoring the winner against the dippers ;)
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Originally posted by Davo:
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I'd agree with pretty much all that...and I'm not biased.. ;)

I just think its left you short, no RVN on Sat and still Forlan didn't start....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Didn't do us any harm tho did it. :)
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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A bit harsh that!

I was never his biggest fan, but I do respect his record and his contribution to our success.

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I respect it. Well I was glad of it. But I still think that he didn't exactly get us out of too many situations.

And I'm biased. So it is harsh. Maybe not even fair.
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Originally posted by Davo:
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I'd agree with pretty much all that...and I'm not biased.. ;)

I just think its left you short, no RVN on Sat and still Forlan didn't start....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, we really struggled with goals on Saturday.. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Yeah, we really struggled with goals on Saturday.. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Not the point

Demento prefered to move your midfield about than play your third choice striker from the start..

Luckily for you Leeds' defence was terrible
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Not the point

Demento prefered to move your midfield about than play your third choice striker from the start..

Luckily for you Leeds' defence was terrible</strong><hr></blockquote>

How do you know his tactics weren't to play with a 5 man midfield away at Leeds?

That seems the more likely reason for Forlan's omission...
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Originally posted by JSV:
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How do you know his tactics weren't to play with a 5 man midfield away at Leeds?

That seems the more likely reason for Forlan's omission...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Giggs looked like he was playing up front to me....
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Giggs looked like he was playing up front to me....</strong><hr></blockquote>

He's still more likely to help out in midfield than Forlan...
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