Red00012
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He is some unit , I hope he can be an option next season

Part of this is because we weren’t involved in that dodgy PSR swapping nonsense. I’m glad we kept our integrity at least in that regard.Ya , seems like we are the only club that can’t sell a academy player for £20-£30 odd million
He looks really raw - I don't think he looks anywhere close to getting starts in 2025/2026 season.
He looks really raw - I don't think he looks anywhere close to getting starts in 2025/2026 season.
Some of the opposition defending there is fecking awful!youtube]G5ZiPVEiYk4 (i can't post media yet)

Heaven?It seems like ages since we've had a successful signings like this - young players from relative obscurity for a low fee, who become established in the first team. Really hope this kid can be the one to do so.
No idea how good he can become but what's clear to me is that he looks like a natural fit as a wing back, which is a big advantage for him.
It would be an interesting contrast when he stands next to Amass.
Ages!Heaven?
Heaven?
Garnacho is the obvious one, surely. Pinched him from Atletico at 16.Heaven?
Not to be negative but having watched all the highlights that came out after watching United sign him, I just can't see this being the success some people are trying to manifest. He looks so raw and beyond his physicality, he didn't even standout at age group level in the last South American underage tournament he featured in a while back. The fee wasn't even bargain basement so not even confident we'll make any significant profit on his development. I really hope I'm wrong but I'm not seeing it with this guy at all.
Yeah sure I get that its based on scouting but you'd expect to be able to see whatever the scouts are seeing yourself. Like Chido was doing crazy goal numbers and you can spot Heaven's talent on the ball so the question mark was always whether he could scale up to senior football but with DL, I'm kinda perplexed as to what they saw in him apart from being an absolute unit while still a child.We're obviously investing in the development of a promising 18 year old here based on scouting. He is coming here pretty under the radar and as such, expectations will be low - just as with Chido and Heaven, therefore there won't be any immediate pressure and he will under ideal conditions, be able to develop organically as he gets settled in. The videos that I've seen look promising, but much obviously depends on the work he puts in once in England.
Yeah sure I get that its based on scouting but you'd expect to be able to see whatever the scouts are seeing yourself. Like Chido was doing crazy goal numbers and you can spot Heaven's talent on the ball so the question mark was always whether he could scale up to senior football but with DL, I'm kinda perplexed as to what they saw in him apart from being an absolute unit while still a child.
Based on the YT videos, which are extremely biased and don't really give the full picture, he is got something, pace, power, dribbling, and so on (granted the oppo is quite low level), and remember, Chido might fail despite being a revelation in youth with his goal scoring, while Mctominay made it despite not being that great during his youth, it is always a risk, but in this case, Leon is a cheap punt, and at 18, he is got excellent physicality and he could be developed, from that perspective you could see why the club got him.Yeah sure I get that its based on scouting but you'd expect to be able to see whatever the scouts are seeing yourself. Like Chido was doing crazy goal numbers and you can spot Heaven's talent on the ball so the question mark was always whether he could scale up to senior football but with DL, I'm kinda perplexed as to what they saw in him apart from being an absolute unit while still a child.
Yeah, and from memory I think he was a bit of a late bloomer in terms of moving to a top club quite late so its possible he's just a player that is developing/assimilating to senior football super quickly and that the scouts are projecting that rapid development further into his career.Reminds me of a left side Saidy Janko but sometimes a right physical + mental profile can go a long way.
My point is that I don't think 7mn was that cheap a punt for such a raw and unheralded South American talent. In contrast, we got Heaven and Chido for £1mn and I'd imagine both of those players have higher ceilings based on what I've seen - though we don't have a crystal ball.Based on the YT videos, which are extremely biased and don't really give the full picture, he is got something, pace, power, dribbling, and so on (granted the oppo is quite low level), and remember, Chido might fail despite being a revelation in youth with his goal scoring, while Mctominay made it despite not being that great during his youth, it is always a risk, but in this case, Leon is a cheap punt, and at 18, he is got excellent physicality and he could be developed, from that perspective you could see why the club got him.
£7m is including clauses, which won't be met until he has played and and performed well.My point is that I don't think 7mn was that cheap a punt for such a raw and unheralded South American talent. In contrast, we got Heaven and Chido for £1mn and I'd imagine both of those players have higher ceilings based on what I've seen - though we don't have a crystal ball.
Moises Caicedo is a good comparison for one of these punts. Brighton paid 4mn for a probable tier 3 South American country's most promising young player but when they did it, he was already a full international and being touted as having potential to be the greatest ever Ecuadorean footballer. We paid 7mn for a player who has nowhere near the reputation that Caicedo did and is probably from an even worse footballing country which I think counts for something in terms of demanding fees.
They paid 4M because they are Brighton. When big clubs call, the fee goes up.My point is that I don't think 7mn was that cheap a punt for such a raw and unheralded South American talent. In contrast, we got Heaven and Chido for £1mn and I'd imagine both of those players have higher ceilings based on what I've seen - though we don't have a crystal ball.
Moises Caicedo is a good comparison for one of these punts. Brighton paid 4mn for a probable tier 3 South American country's most promising young player but when they did it, he was already a full international and being touted as having potential to be the greatest ever Ecuadorean footballer. We paid 7mn for a player who has nowhere near the reputation that Caicedo did and is probably from an even worse footballing country which I think counts for something in terms of demanding fees.
The fee is £3m, not £7m, there are add-ons but we don't know what are they so you should assume his fee to be £3m, which is still a hefty fee for a youth out of Paraguay and that's why I see your concerns, players like Garna and Carrera cost far less than £3m, Chido and Heaven didn't sign new contract with Arsenal so we paid the fee decided in a tribunal probably which is usually between £500k and £1m, so £3m is still quite a lot and a gamble, however where I differ with you is that this is a calculated risk and for a club like United, £3m isn't alot of money in general.My point is that I don't think 7mn was that cheap a punt for such a raw and unheralded South American talent. In contrast, we got Heaven and Chido for £1mn and I'd imagine both of those players have higher ceilings based on what I've seen - though we don't have a crystal ball.
Moises Caicedo is a good comparison for one of these punts. Brighton paid 4mn for a probable tier 3 South American country's most promising young player but when they did it, he was already a full international and being touted as having potential to be the greatest ever Ecuadorean footballer. We paid 7mn for a player who has nowhere near the reputation that Caicedo did and is probably from an even worse footballing country which I think counts for something in terms of demanding fees.
Not to be negative but having watched all the highlights that came out after watching United sign him, I just can't see this being the success some people are trying to manifest. He looks so raw and beyond his physicality, he didn't even standout at age group level in the last South American underage tournament he featured in a while back. The fee wasn't even bargain basement so not even confident we'll make any significant profit on his development. I really hope I'm wrong but I'm not seeing it with this guy at all.
Also. What 17 year old doesn’t look raw? Those criticising him off a few YouTube clips need to give your heads a wobble“He looks really raw”
There is NO WAY anyone has seen this guy play. Just no chance. Let’s just see how he gets on.
Also. What 17 year old doesn’t look raw? Those criticising him off a few YouTube clips need to give your heads a wobble
Not every observation is a criticism. There is nothing wrong in folks observing that he might not be immediately available to play a part for the first team.Also. What 17 year old doesn’t look raw? Those criticising him off a few YouTube clips need to give your heads a wobble
“He looks really raw”
There is NO WAY anyone has seen this guy play. Just no chance. Let’s just see how he gets on.
Not every observation is a criticism. There is nothing wrong in folks observing that he might not be immediately available to play a part for the first team.
Maybe people taking umbrage at that need to give their heads a wobble.