Diego Simeone
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Maybe, but ultimately he has built them to a point where they've managed to shed that tag minnows tag and are now considered one of Europe's elite (or close to).
They may have spent some money this summer but they made a decent net profit the year before - in fact according to the numbers on Transfermarkt at least which should be a decent ballpark, their net spend in 13 full seasons with him as manager is only €131.5m.
Let's not forget they are still up against Real who have 2.5x their revenue and Barca who are almost double. Back when Simeone was appointed it was both of those teams were bringing in almost 5x as much money.
They played well. Were minutes or seconds away from winning it in 2014 and then in 2016 lost on penalties (also Griezmann missed a penalty during the game, right?). 'Bottled it' seems too harsh.
I'm indifferent, really
But tell us how you really feel about him!
Yeah Sergio Ramos scoring a header from a corner in the last minute doesn’t seem like bottling to me, he’s one of the best at attacking headers there’s been and it was a brilliant header.
It's bottling cos he had two goes in the final v the same team and lost both times. Primarily because his violent, cynical, regressive style of play wasn't enough in the circumstances.
To be fair, if they defended corners with a player on each post that header barely makes the highlight reel and Atletico are European champions. Never understand why teams stopped doing that.
What?!
I get rooting for the underdog but they used every dirty trick on the pitch they could to try and gain an advantage. They were many things but they were far, far away from being likeable
What?!
I get rooting for the underdog but they used every dirty trick on the pitch they could to try and gain an advantage. They were many things but they were far, far away from being likeable
I quite like them
something about how they were so commited to the cause was admirableCouldn't agree more.What?!
I get rooting for the underdog but they used every dirty trick on the pitch they could to try and gain an advantage. They were many things but they were far, far away from being likeable
Also, Atletico are obviously not as big as Real and Barca, but they are historically one of the most successful clubs in Spain. They've won 11 league titles. This is not a minnow situation.
Well for a teenager like me back then it was refreshing to see 3rd team go for top trophies amongst all Barca-Real talk that was boring at that point. They knocked out some of our PL rivals like Chelsea in 2014 so there's that as well.What?!
I get rooting for the underdog but they used every dirty trick on the pitch they could to try and gain an advantage. They were many things but they were far, far away from being likeable
Exactly. I mean I don't care for them and haven't for years now but felt different in that 2013-2016 period.I quite like them
Also has any club had as many top strikers at Atletico in this century? Diego Forlan, Fernando Torres, Sergio Aguero, Falcao, Diego Costa, Mandzukic, David Villa, Morata, Suarez, now Alvarez. Griezmann is also considered a striker, right? Gameiro. Jackson Martinez was there for a season or two as well.
Before 2010 they were a mid table club. Clubs like Valencia and Deportivo were much better. Nobody expected them to be this good after 2010 let's be honest. Simeone has to be the most annoying coach ever but you gotta respect what he did at Atletico.
He is in a comfortable position where he is uncriticisable. You can't talk about his results because he lifted the team to its current status and he always has the underdog excuse eventhough they spend a lot.
Once he leaves this scenario it will be hard for him.
Once he leaves this scenario it will be hard for him.
Another season the highest paid manager won’t win anything and nobody will say a word..
He get's the results that Atletico seem to be content with, but I'm no fan of his football despite how effective it can be at times, in a way I'm glad teams that play such negative football get knocked out.
Transfermarkt ranks Atlético as the 19th most valuable (transfer value) squad in the world, behind the likes of Brighton and Leipzig. They are only the 11th budget in this year's CL.
Surely this is just because Atletico are underdogs for literally every trophy they compete for..?
Strange take. Especially as they're one point behind top of the league (albeit Real have a game in hand).
Hasn't their net spend also been really low until recently?
I don't pretend to know anything about La Liga's history beyond Barca and Real's historic dominance but it seems to me he's made them the third biggest club in Spain? They rarely ever seem to be out of the top 4.
Last minute Ramos header and losing on Pens is far from bottling in my opinion.
They have a real shot at the Copa Del Rey. Should go all in for that comp.
To be honest, they should have won it last year but Athletic Club was determined.
Most comfortable top job in Europe.
His squad is levels above 17 teams in the league so he'll never slip out of top 4/CL spots.
But he has the excuse of competing against the big 2 in Spain which is why nobody expects him to win anything.
He gets total control, lots of money to spend and the biggest salary. Probably has the best and the easiest big club job in the world. Zero pressure in terms of results or style of play. Living the dream.
His squad is levels above 17 teams in the league so he'll never slip out of top 4/CL spots.
But he has the excuse of competing against the big 2 in Spain which is why nobody expects him to win anything.
He gets total control, lots of money to spend and the biggest salary. Probably has the best and the easiest big club job in the world. Zero pressure in terms of results or style of play. Living the dream.
Just this year they signed Alvarez for 95m (with add ons), Gallagher for 45m, Le Normand and Sorloth for almost 40m each, there is no way you pair them up with Brighton and Leipzig. Transfermarkt valuations are subjective. I'm just saying, you don't need the most expensive coach in the world to achieve what they do.
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Think people are being a bit harsh on him. They won many CL games this season, won the game yesterday (but lost the tie), drew and won away to Barcelona, and are competing in the league. Pretty good season performance overall. But because they went out to the CL holders on penalties he's a big fraudman?
I think they play great football when he wants them to. The triangles and quick passing have been really impressive over the years. He's just unlucky when he plays against Real and they have the better players, of course. I don't see many coaches who play better football at this level. Simeone is really good, imo.
Exactly. They were a yo-yo club before he came in. They could finish 4th and then 9th a season later. You just have to look at what’s happening to Valencia and the same could happen to Atletico once Simeone leaves.
In the first leg, they pretty much had as many passes as Madrid and controlled the game at time.
Great club, fantastic manager. Turned a selling club punching above their weight into a serious team and kept it there. Managed to transition over the years. Very likeable in contrast to scum like Barcelona.
People calling him a fraud, not good enough or "the football isn't good" are just ridiculous and most likely support Real (understandable) or Barca (typical).
People calling him a fraud, not good enough or "the football isn't good" are just ridiculous and most likely support Real (understandable) or Barca (typical).
Not really true though, he is under pressure to compete against the top two every year, if they don't compete then he is massively under pressure,
He's also under pressure to compete in Europe whether that's in Europa or Champions League.
He also doesn't have full control, Atletico have/had a director of football for transfers and targets.
For someone that apparently is living the dream he sure is ultra motivated to keep Atletico competitive domestically and in Europe, that's what good managers do.
You have to remember where Atletico were before he took over. That would answer all of your complaints.
Do I think he should be the worlds highest paid manager? Nope, but that's an internal club thing.
But to deny that he's done a fantastic job there, is odd. They've been remarkably "consistent" during his tenure, which is difficult for all the other clubs not Real/Barca. And he doesn't "always" play crappy/defensive/rigged football, against popular perception.
If he was paid as a top 5 or top 10 manager...would these same complaints exist?
All that being said - would I want him at United? Probably not, albeit thinking back of our failed appointees post SAF, I might need to re-assess and take that back
But to deny that he's done a fantastic job there, is odd. They've been remarkably "consistent" during his tenure, which is difficult for all the other clubs not Real/Barca. And he doesn't "always" play crappy/defensive/rigged football, against popular perception.
If he was paid as a top 5 or top 10 manager...would these same complaints exist?
All that being said - would I want him at United? Probably not, albeit thinking back of our failed appointees post SAF, I might need to re-assess and take that back
So am I, even if it is Real Madrid that do it. The guy is a total terrorist. A game that could have been exciting on paper was dull as dishwater until the penalties, solely thanks to him. That should not be rewarded.
Rubbish opinions all round. Well done.
Oh, Barcelona. What did I mention, ah yes, typical.
Brighton spent more than them in the summer and had a higher net spend.
In reality though what you should be looking at are wage bills and Atletico were apparently 12th highest in Europe last season with a wage bill of €268m. That's still half of what Real Madrid and Barcelona were though - €505m and €468m. PSG were the highest but not sure if this reflects the Mbappe move or not. Either way I wouldn't expect them to have changed too much and it shows that the work he's doing in La Liga is pretty immense considering he has them sniffing around the title race with a wage bill half the size.
I really enjoy his football and the energy he injects into these clashes between top teams. For me there's nothing better than a tactical approach executed well, whether that's domination of the ball, or brilliance off it. The integration of his defensive game and his on-the-ball game, with the quickfire interplay following regain of the ball, is great to watch. Most managers would love to reach the levels of cohesion that Simeone teams have.
But either way, style of play is a subjective measure, and what really matters is Simeone's performance in relation to his resources which remains outstanding.
But either way, style of play is a subjective measure, and what really matters is Simeone's performance in relation to his resources which remains outstanding.
Yes. The bottom line for a manager is performance relative to their wage ball. Simeone has consistently outperformed on that measure for well over a decade now.
In recent seasons they have spent more than they have sold, but to be honest for a club of that size the spend isn't actually that significant especially compared against their counterparts. As you have pointed out, what is a great achievement of Simeone is the lower wages and his results, which is impressive and this is coming from someone who strongly dislikes defensive tactics in general. But all in all, in terms of pure results he is making them punch above their weight and deserves a lot of credit for that.
He's a top class manager and United could take a leaf out of A.Madrids book when it comes to scouting and framing a squad to be competitive over various seasons.
Simeone has also played more expansive football than any United manager (including Amorim) since LVG possession orientated philosophy. This rhetoric about dinosaur football is nonchalant they are a very technical team who can fall into a low block at times depending on the situation. It's not a routinely one sided approach like a Mourinho team of old.
Simeone has also played more expansive football than any United manager (including Amorim) since LVG possession orientated philosophy. This rhetoric about dinosaur football is nonchalant they are a very technical team who can fall into a low block at times depending on the situation. It's not a routinely one sided approach like a Mourinho team of old.
Maybe try different next time?, many opnions here aren't over the top, nor even liking el Cholo, yet trying to be fair when credit it's due.
Don't let the dark force win over you Padawan, the hate is strong withinm you and el Cholo
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Look at their net spend over the time he's been there. It's like an average of £10m per year for the 13 seasons with him in charge.
There's a reason they can spend that sort of money and it's because there revenue has exploded since Simeone became coach. And that's purely down to their success on the pitch.
Come on...
most of those titles were before most of us were probably even born.Atletico had won 1 in 35 years or so before Simone was appointed, they'd been in the 2nd division more recently than they won a title before that. Yes they were one of the better teams in Spain still but there was a huge gap between them and Real & Barca before 2012/2013.
Believe it or not, Atlético were only two league titles behind Barcelona before the "Cruyff revolution" that started back in 1990.